everyone has there opinion and preferences i just cant see where if the current prices are what they go for $400+ and $600+ and at no improvement lets not forget the heaven bench etc it was 20% faster but it was also higher clocked on the core so with core clocked lower and shaders clocked lower to keep the thing from combusting i think were gonna see the 480gtx at maybe 10% faster then a 5870 and the ppl buying these cards know a 5850 will overclock just as far as a 5870 if not further and be just as fast or faster so i fail to see how a 480 at $600 ish if lucky can compete with a $300 power house as you know damn well OEMs wont get there hands on these cards for a VERY long time so average joe schmo isnt gonna care about a gtx 480 its all about us enthusiasts and unless it wallops the 5870 which i dont think its going to its price will be absurd. i was REALLY hoping this card did kick some ass. i was thinking of selling 1 of my 5850s and buying a 5970 to trifire but with nvidias gpu most likely not taking top honors i doubt ill see anyone switching to the 400 series so i can potentially nab a 5970 lol

crazyeyesreapereveryone has there opinion and preferences i just cant see where if the current prices are what they go for $400+ and $600+ and at no improvement lets not forget the heaven bench etc it was 20% faster but it was also higher clocked on the core so with core clocked lower and shaders clocked lower to keep the thing from combusting i think were gonna see the 480gtx at maybe 10% faster then a 5870 and the ppl buying these cards know a 5850 will overclock just as far as a 5870 if not further and be just as fast or faster so i fail to see how a 480 at $600 ish if lucky can compete with a $300 power house as you know damn well OEMs wont get there hands on these cards for a VERY long time so average joe schmo isnt gonna care about a gtx 480 its all about us enthusiasts and unless it wallops the 5870 which i dont think its going to its price will be absurd.

You should really stick a disclaimer before all that, ensuring the reader takes one big ass deep breath. That has to be the longest sentence I have ever read. :D

I dont think the 470 will be better than 5870, it will be between 5850 and 5870
The importance here is the price. They could push the prices even higher because they lost a lot of money producing the gpu. Not pretending to give ati a helping hand here, but nvidia just want to loose the war. After reading how ati produced the gpus and why they are always a step ahead of nvidia in anandtech and the sucking ION 2 benchmarking which was even worse than ION i think it is a fool who pics up these cards. The GTX 470 is surely worse than 5870 i am prety sure.

the 5850 can easily overclock beyond a 5870 meaning a 5850 and 5870 might as well be the same damn card the 5870 is rop starved the 5850 is not overclocked the 5850 becomes equal to its brother in 99% of cases. if the 480 is only 20% faster then a stock 5870 i fear for nvidia simply because everyone knows the 5k series overclocks like mad. so again i HOPE nvidia prices there cards right otherwise they wont be competing at all they will only sell to the die hard nvidia fan i go where the price to performance lies in the 8800 days it was simple get a 8800gts 640 and overclock it to hell and back but nvidia sat on g92 while ati got progressively better what we see here now is what happened between amd and intel long ago amd caught giant unaware well ATi has done the same thing. the next iteration of Fermi will probably dominate but this time its just ZZZZZ sleep inducing like a dream that never ends

A Cheese Danishlol The customer reviews are hilarious :roll:
Buggers are expensive

:laugh: true true

GTX480 should be at least 40% faster from HD4870. If it not.. very waste for Nvidia delay for dx11...

and... HD5890 should be at least 20% faster than HD5870 with the price far lower than GTX480. HD5890 very soon come out after GTX480 lunching..

price/ performance ATI must win & Nvidia will suffer with their price...

Benchmarker person may buy it to breaker the record buy how many of them?

the only thing that will cause me to sell my 5870 and get an NV equiv is if the cuda benchmarks are OMG and if the temps/power draw are good.. other than that the card i have now is redic and the only thing I hope for is super quick and quality video transcoding if i were to upgrade/change to Nv...

if the cuda shit isnt impressive and the fermi is hot and power hungry then as far as gaming i dont see any reason to pick one up when the card i have already runs cool(1st hi end gpu ive ever had that idles at 36c), saves on power bill and slays any game i wanna play at rediculous FPS

im hoping the transcoding side is a step forward though... i spend too much time waiting on videos to finish and i would love a decrease in wait times especially if the video quality is great.. which imo it always has been on tmpgenc compared to using avivo and camtasia which is great but is only cpu driven

EditoGreen Team Green Team i really don't like ATI cards but i respect them i just preffer nvidia cards they are allways one step ahed but the Price the Price AMD-ATI are just doin better in these department congrats to ATI cause they are doin a great job making the ppl play good games with good visuals with a cheap price... but ill preffer to Buy the 470GTX or 480GTX insted...

Peace for all...

Surely you should not even bother to look at what company made the card, but the performance of the card?