And this won't be called the GTX 490 because...

I guess the same reason the 6850 isn't called the 6770;)

nvidiaintelftwTo bad fermi isnt even that hot. I have a 470 and ive ran a 480 for a while. And they do not get that hot. I dont know why you guys get so butt hurt about things getting hot. we are PC Enthusiast we should expect to have things run hot. FERMI can run that hot to its not like its hurting it. my GTX480 ran at 75c gaming and my 470 ran at 65 to 70c gaming. Whats wrong with those temps. I had like 150mhz overclocks on them both to.

Dude Fermi is hot. It kills your ambient case temps as an enthusiast you SHOULD care about that. Now I know you're a major fanboy but lets be realistic here. I ain't saying its a bad card mind you. But saying its not hot is just stupid.

TheMailMan78Now I know you're a major fanboy but lets be realistic here.

Lol how old are we, that we have to resort to using the word fanboy lol (p.s he's a n00b too :laugh: )

On a serious note, i have to agree and say that my 470 isn't that bad with heat whilst gaming, it sits at 46c idel at the aero desktop and runs mid 70's whilst gaming, if you want to play furmark thats a different story but I don't and I have no issues with ambient heat.

I know the 480 is worse for heat than the 470 so thats maybe a different story but as far as I'm concerned the 470 is no hotter than my old 4890 :cool:

Another empty shell like it was GTX 480 one year ago...and lets not forget 59XX Radeon is still coming.

Ok I'm just plain tired of the trolling.....

If you don't have anything to add, don't post. Everyone who doesn't have something good or productive to add will be given 5 points for each post from here on out.

coolers still look nearly the same as fermi does, if nv still stick with 40mm and make 580 just like they said with 512 SP enabled. then it would be hot and gone to power disasters..

they could reconstruct the chip based on GF104 arrangement, so 580 can be more power friendly. but because we havent see fully enabled GF104 chip either, that construction will need more time, and that februari releases could be delayed..

I'm actually pretty pissed off at Nvidia. Here's why:

Way back in 2009 i was eagerly awaiting the Nvidia masterpiece that was to be the GF 100 Fermi. I had no love of ATI whatsoever, had come from GTX 295 - GTX 260 - 8800GTX - 8800GT (yes odd order!) - 7950 GT sli - 'can't recall', 6800 i think. Last ATI was a 9800.

Fermi was hyped - i was like - YES!!!!!! Gimme gimme gimme! Then the delays started seeping through and i was pretty disappointed. Then i started reading reviews of the 5850's and 5870's and was surprised. Knowing Fermi was a few months out (happened to be about 6!) I went out and bought 2 5850's. And i have been a very happy ATI customer (for it was ATI back then).

Now this BS from Nvidia. I dont't doubt they have a super powerful 580 coming but when? There are NO specs - no certainty about what the arch is (is it GF 104 or fixed GF 100?). All we have are these sodding pictures of a plastic toy.

If they managed to have this ready for the 6970 launch then i would seriously consider it as an option. I am pissed because they are doing Fermi 2009 all over again. Teasing with a couple of tactically leaked shots to try and place doubt in the minds of people like me about to jump to the 69xx series (if its any good that is).

I am pissed because we the consumers are not being given a fair choice here. It stirs up all the blatant bullshit we see in the forums from both sides. If only we had TWO products to weigh up against each other we could make a fair and informed decision - BUT WE CAN'T!

Why? Because Nvidia are doing the scaremongering again. I would love to buy the best card but i wont know which one it is because one will be real come end of November and one will be 'marketed' as real without any real release date.

So - that is my reasoned and educated response to this thread. I would happily buy Nvidia again - it's in my blood. But this pseudo tech porn teaser is such an obvious FUD tactic it makes me almost unreasonably determined to buy red again, almost like a protest to say, "Get your shit to market on time you muppets and stop spreading doubt".

Drivers 261.00

developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda_3_2_toolkit_rc.html

NVIDIA_DEV.0E22.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460"
NVIDIA_DEV.0E23.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTS 455"
NVIDIA_DEV.0E24.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 "
NVIDIA_DEV.0E25.01 = "NVIDIA D12U-50"
NVIDIA_DEV.0E38.01 = "NVIDIA GF104GL"
NVIDIA_DEV.0E3E.01 = "NVIDIA GF104-ES"
NVIDIA_DEV.0E3F.01 = "NVIDIA GF104-INT"
NVIDIA_DEV.1080.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580"

I like

i like the design, by the looks of it the tdp went down, because ther is no massive cooler anymore, hopefully it is, and are the temps and noise a bit down, 93c on gtx 480 is just to high, I want a review so badly

JiraiyaDrivers 261.00

developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda_3_2_toolkit_rc.html

Umm, doesn't mean anything. We know the card is happening. We all want to know what it is under the hood and when it's coming. Not speculation.

And what does this imply?

NVIDIA_DEV.0E3F.01 = "NVIDIA GF104-INT"
NVIDIA_DEV.1080.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580"

Note all the strings are the same - OE'numberletter'.01
Why is the 580 '1080'? Programmer somewhere help us out?

the54thvoidNice post, reporting it for outright idiocy. You're effectively stating ATI consumers are poorer than NV consumers. Way to go you.

you didn't understand me. i wanted to say that if many of nvidia detractors can't afford to buy a gtx 470/480 and they start to talk about performance/watt and crap like that and exagerate over fermi temperatures. it is the same thing when you talk about cars: if you want a sport car you should't talk about mpg. if you call me an idiot maybe you're the one who should be reported but i am not that sissy.
in the same way if you want a low budget alternative you choose amd over intel

I keep being tempted by AMD, but I really want that 2 GBs standard vram. I just have this reasonable feeling that the 6970 and 580 will be the same speed or within 5% of each other, but have a huge price difference. I mean haven't memory prices gone up? And having a bus twice the size of the 6970 as well. I just don't see how it can physically be price competitive.

KashunatoRas the economy is going down more and more ati fanboys emerge. they seem to overlook the ridiculously bad drivers and they keep lying to themselves that fermi is too hot. i own the gtx 480 i even ran SLI for a while. at stock core clock it hits 90 degrees in furmark but that is NORMAL. i keep mine overclocked 825/1650/4200 and it's running like new even if it is almost half a year old. i'm sure that gtx 580 will hold the crown for the fastest single gpu card, especially overclocked because nvidia's OC scaling is way better than ati's

90c is normal?? :twitch:

in the future, more powerfull doesnt mean it dont have to be more efficient..

the54thvoidSo - that is my reasoned and educated response to this thread. I would happily buy Nvidia again - it's in my blood. But this pseudo tech porn teaser is such an obvious FUD tactic it makes me almost unreasonably determined to buy red again, almost like a protest to say, "Get your shit to market on time you muppets and stop spreading doubt".

kicking off bad-naming scheme..

one thing i like AMD because they can optimize their research and keep on their release date without too much delay.

im feeling february release are bit too rushed for 580, and hope it doesnt come like gf100. hot and power hungry..

Hopefully this is an awesome card.:)

sneekypeetOk I'm just plain tired of the trolling.....

If you don't have anything to add, don't post. Everyone who doesn't have something good or productive to add will be given 5 points for each post from here on out.

It's an Nvidia thread, trolling is expected here on TPU unfortunately in that circumstance...

KashunatoRyou didn't understand me. i wanted to say that if many of nvidia detractors can't afford to buy a gtx 470/480 and they start to talk about performance/watt and crap like that and exagerate over fermi temperatures. it is the same thing when you talk about cars: if you want a sport car you should't talk about mpg. if you call me an idiot maybe you're the one who should be reported but i am not that sissy.
in the same way if you want a low budget alternative you choose amd over intel

This is not the place for an arguement. Your initial post was clear

"as the economy is going down more and more ati fanboys emerge"

And now this

"i wanted to say that if many of nvidia detractors can't afford to buy a gtx 470/480"

You're not making much sense. You clearly are saying ATI fans who can't afford NV cards slag them off for power. Have you seen these cards my friend?

www.guru3d.com/article/asus-ares-review/ - Asus Ares

www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/05/11/sapphire/1 - Sapphire 5970 4GB

www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1026/pg1/xfx-radeon-hd-5970-4gb-black-edition-limited-introduction.html - XFX 5970 4GB Black Edition.

Before you talk about power consumption, economics and fanboys you ought to check which company makes the hottest and hungriest cards.

CDdude55Hopefully this is an awesome card.:)



It's an Nvidia thread, trolling is expected here on TPU unfortunately in that circumstance...

There be NV trolls here too. You can't deny that. See Kashunators post for details.

on topic, and less name calling. "Trolls" and "Fanboys" need not apply, nor do the names need to be slung at each other. Is it really so hard to get along?

sneekypeeton topic, and less name calling. "Trolls" and "Fanboys" need not apply, nor do the names need to be slung at each other. Is it really so hard to get along?

sneekypeet is a pipe smoking monkey loving fanboy troll.

The 6970 is rumored to be 10% faster than a stock 480, if true the 580 should easily take the performance crown back. Interesting times ahead.

sneekypeeton topic, and less name calling. "Trolls" and "Fanboys" need not apply, nor do the names need to be slung at each other. Is it really so hard to get along?

You know, you guys could start filtering admittance to threads based upon what cards people list on their system specs -- no Nvidia or Intel owners in AMD threads, no AMD owners in Intel threads, etc.

Matrox and Via owners could be permitted anywhere, of course.

crow1001The 6970 is rumored to be 10% faster than a stock 480, if true the 580 should easily take the performance crown back. Interesting times ahead.

Seeing as how the 5970 is pretty much on par with a 480 right now, I certainly hope the 6970 isn't going to be AMD's new flagship card -- it's going to be the single core version, right?

mdm-adphYou know, you guys could start filtering admittance to threads based upon what cards people list on their system specs -- no Nvidia or Intel owners in AMD threads, no AMD owners in Intel threads, etc.

Matrox and Via owners could be permitted anywhere, of course.

If only the vast interwebz were that easy;)

AFAIK the 6970 is the flagship single GPU solution, the dual will be under another name.

6990 i can only guess

the54thvoidYou're not making much sense. You clearly are saying ATI fans who can't afford NV cards slag them off for power.

Your argument is flawed.
If you talk $ (aka you afford) the logical choice is the 5970. So Red Team still wins.

Jonap_1stcoolers still look nearly the same as fermi does, if nv still stick with 40mm and make 580 just like they said with 512 SP enabled. then it would be hot and gone to power disasters..

they could reconstruct the chip based on GF104 arrangement, so 580 can be more power friendly. but because we havent see fully enabled GF104 chip either, that construction will need more time, and that februari releases could be delayed..

They haven't enabled the full Gf104not because they can't but because it will cannibalize the GTX470 sales. You can see that in the many overclocked variations of the GTX460 1GB that are already as fast as the GTX470

The way I see it, the GTX580 just needs to take the performance king crown back. It doesn't matter how much power it will consume, how hot it will get or how big it will be as log as Nvidia's name gets out there. Nvidia doesn't really need the low margin consumer market anymore. They recently finished a deal with the Chinese government for a super computer with over 7000 tesla GPUs which resulted in the world's current record holdrer at over 2,5 PFLOPS.

For Nvidia the consumer market is just a way to get rid of all the cores that didn't make the binning process for Tesla and cut their losses.