CDdude55People can buy what ever the hell they feel like, im not telling anyone to buy anything. I have also stated tons of times before that i don't give a shit about the companies, they're just names that produce things i like, i don't try to defend anyone. And yes it clearly is, open your eyes, it is most definitely a much more AMD bias forum then anything else, of course there are fans of other companies on every site, but you can't deny the base users are heavy fans of said company for this forum, that's not speculation, that's fact.

If you don't care what people buy/use, then why should it matter? I see just as many users from one "side" than the other and that is fact. In the end it really doesn't matter as I'm not making any money from either.

erockerIf you don't care what people buy/use, then why should it matter? I see just as many users from one "side" than the other and that is fact. In the end it really doesn't matter as I'm not making any money from either.

But i still don't understand how i'm caring about what people buy, i mean look at his post, that's what should be regulated on. Even if the actually GPU design is the same and it's already been proven that the cooler isn't the same from the 480, and even if it's a fully enabled 480, how does that post help me?, how does it contribute to knowing more about he card?. Fully enabled or not, a fake picture with some one saying ''hmm no way, if GTX 580 was used vapor chamber then why its look identical like GTX 480 ?'', what?, look at the damn video, look at some damn pictures, it's all laid out in front of you yet when someone address the fault in logic it's obviously no their fault.

That's just ri god damn diculous.

CDdude55That's just ri god damn diculous.

And likewise, so seems some of your posts. NO offense dude, that's just how it seems.

There is no perfect hardware. There is no "best choice". Likewise, it's just so unimportant...

cadavecaAnd likewise, so seems some of your posts. NO offense dude, that's just how it seems.

There is no perfect hardware. There is no "best choice". Likewise, it's just so unimportant...

But how?, whats wrong with the posts.

And i agree, there is no perfect choice.

You do come across as very nV-sided. Then, you come across as very ATi-sided. :laugh:


I just put it down to you having a choice of linguistics that is very emotionally charged. With that, regardless of your true personality, you do portray one that is quite excited, and "set in your ways", and that anything other than what you think, well, is stupid.


Again, I mean no offense what so ever, this is just my opinion of the impression you create. I'm actually a bit worse, anyway, because I think I'm more of a jerk than you are.. :laugh:

Anyway, i want soem real GTX580 benches, please. All I've seen so far are fake, including most that's in this thread.

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cadavecaYou do come across as very nV-sided. Then, you come across as very ATi-sided. :laugh:


I just put it down to you having a choice of linguistics that is very emotionally charged. With that. regardless of your true personality, you do portray one that is quuite excited, and "set in your ways", and that anything other than what you think, well, is stupid.


Again, I mean no offense what so ever, this is just my opinion of the impression you create. I'm actually a bit wrorse, anyway, because I think I'm more of a jerk than you are.. :laugh:

I know it may seem like that, but that's because i am always portrayed like i'm constantly defending Nvidia, and that's because no one else does in most threads. I see a large portion of posts when i visit Nvidia based threads on a new product or new feature and it's always the same garbage and constant trolling that no one seems to notice or care. But i do, when i see that i speak out because no one else seems to see anything wrong. And again, i have owned AMD cards, Nvidia cards, i don't care, it's not a matter of what you have in your system, that's trival nonsense thinking to believe that a certain manufacturer is best. I never shoot anyones opinions down if they are well articulated thoughts.

cadavecaYou do come across as very nV-sided. Then, you come across as very ATi-sided. :laugh:

Well of course, that's how i am, i appreciated both companies innovations and i side with both manufactures. There goal is the money in my pocket, and the one that can get it will get my props and appreciation. If i hear good news about any company, that's good news for all of us, so yes, i am multi-sided in that regard.:)

If i think someone is wrong about something, i address it, even if it seems like i'm defending a company.

I agree that nVidia does tend to get a lot of flack and nobody seems to care. It's like the whole M$ vs Apple debate. People bash Microsoft all the time and nobody cares because they are a huge corporate entity, but when people bash Apple it's like all the fanboys come out of the shadows and want your hide.

I'm an nVidia fan, based on personal experiences with both companies, but I'm not going to bash ATi and praise nVidia one-sidedly. nVidia have made a LOT of dumb decisions (calling this card a 580, for instance), but so have ATi/AMD. I give credit where credit is due, and bash when bashing is due. Then I go out and buy green. :P

Yeah, I get it. Like i said, it's not anything "personal".

But at the same time...

Companies don't need people to defend them. Really, as a business, thier job is to get the most cash they can for htier products, so in essence, are screwing us all over. there's no good position when you side with that.

And that seems to be a big part of the market today...Both the 6-series and this GTX580 scream of being products introduced exactly along that line...

TSMC's process is really gonna limit what these businesses can bring to the table. Both the 6970, and the GTX580, are completely wasteful products...noone, really, should be buying them.

So when you defend a product like this...well...do you get where I'm going?

I'm quite openly an ATI fanboy. Even though I have nvidia high-end cards, I just plain and simple won't even talk about them. But even so, I'm quite clearly not defending ATI with any of thier products...quite the opposite, in fact.

All of these products are full of fail. ATi's side has Eyefinity, and after a year of using it, I can truly say it's garbage. Some people are happy with it, but myself, I cannot play games @ 30FPS.

So this card, might be enough, in a pair, to meet my needs. But...this card is gonna suck power like a hoover, and frankly, I think my hoover actually uses less than this card will.

cadavecaYeah, I get it. Like i said, it's not anything "personal".

But at the same time...

Companies don't need people to defend them. Really, as a business, thier job is to get the most cash they can for htier products, so in essence, are screwing us all over. there's no good position when you side with that.

And that seems to be a big part of the market today...Both the 6-series and this GTX580 scream of being products introduced exactly along that line...

TSMC's process is really gonna limit what these businesses can bring to the table. Both the 6970, and the GTX580, are completely wasteful products...noone, really, should be buying them.

So when you defend a product like this...well...do you get where I'm going?

I'm quite openly an ATI fanboy. Even though I have nvidia high-end cards, I just plain and simple won't even talk about them. But even so, I'm quite clearly not defending ATI with any of thier products...quite the opposite, in fact.

All of these products are full of fail. ATi's side has Eyefinity, and after a year of using it, I can truly say it's garbage. Some people are happy with it, but myself, I cannot play games @ 30FPS.

So this card, might be enough, in a pair, to meet my needs. But...this card is gonna suck power like a hoover, and frankly, I think my hoover actually uses less than this card will.

Keep in mind, im not trying to defend them or anyone, of course they have marketing and are backed up my tons of cash to do the bidding for them.

But i see what you're saying.:)

It quite interesting to me, the performance level we are at, and how poorly that performance gets used...


GPU makers make the most profit on these high-end cards. And as such, I feel that as a whole, we should be very critical of them. So let's do that.Bashing products, in good manners, serves a purpose, that i quite obviously don't need to explain.



ON the TPU teamspeak yesterday, we did a little benchmark compare. What that did, was highlight how poorly things scale over the years...

With my QX9650 @ 4.5ghz, and dual 3870x2's...I can run quite a few benchmarks within about 10% of a system with dual 470's, and an i7 860.

GPUs are exponetially faster than they were back then. But we have problems effectively using that power...because overall, cpu power has changed very little.

And with all of that in mind, noone really needs much more than a 470 or 460...it's artificial means that create the scenario that such power is needed.

So, this is one of the stupid products I have seen yet, in my opinion.

cadavecaIt quite interesting to me, the performance level we are at, and how poorly that performance gets used...


GPU makers make the most profit on these high-end cards. And as such, I feel that as a whole, we should be very critical of them. So let's do that.Bashing products, in good manners, serves a purpose, that i quite obviously don't need to explain.



ON the TPU teamspeak yesterday, we did a little benchmark compare. What that did, was highlight how poorly things scale over the years...

With my QX9650 @ 4.5ghz, and dual 3870x2's...I can run quite a few benchmarks within about 10% of a system with dual 470's, and an i7 860.

GPUs are exponetially faster than they were back then. But we have problems effectively using that power...because overall, cpu power has changed very little.

And with all of that in mind, noone really needs much more than a 470 or 460...it's artificial means that create the scenario that such power is needed.

So, this is one of the stupid products I have seen yet, in my opinion.

True

We really aren't getting the software to utilize the untapped potential of todays video cards and hardware, i think that really needs to change before we really start see a significant difference in performance. Hence a lot of us don't really care much about upgrading to the best, as it generally isn't exponentially faster then previous generations anyways. Cards like these play a big part to the enthusiast and benchmarker market though, a 10% increase is something to look forward to on that front.

CDdude55I know it may seem like that, but that's because i am always portrayed like i'm constantly defending Nvidia, and that's because no one else does in most threads.

Welcome to my life. Wait until you get called an nVidia fanboy and an ATi fanboy in the same day.:rolleyes:

I've come to realize that people here will always call anyone that defends a company a fanboy for that company, and the people doing the calling are usually the fanboys(though sometimes a different kind of fanboy) themselves because they can't stand anyone defending any company they don't like.

And yes, there is a big trend here to bash anything nVidia moreso than ATi, though there is some ATi bashing going around sometimes as well. But when you look at the roots of the site, with ATitool and ATi Softmods bring the large portion of traffic to the site when it was just starting to grow it is understandable that a lot of the people around would favor ATi.

cadavecaAnd with all of that in mind, noone really needs much more than a 470 or 460...it's artificial means that create the scenario that such power is needed.

So, this is one of the stupid products I have seen yet, in my opinion.

It isn't about how much power is needed, but how much power is wanted. As I said before, most people buying cards in this price class are doing it for e-peen not out of necessity.

Though I do find it odd that you say two 3870x2s perform similarly to two GTX470s. With a GTX480 close to 10% faster than a HD4870x2, and a GTX470 not far behind, and Quad-CrossFire scaling much worse than dual-SLi I don't see two HD3870x2s keeping up with two GTX470s. But then again, like you said, CPU technology might be the deciding factor here.

Yeah, it's all about cpu limits. Technically, 2x 3870x2 is less than single 5870(1320 shaders vs 1600), so should have been completely eclipsed by 2x470, but, of course, was not. The one thing to note is that the shader/memorycontroller ratio in 3870x2 is far different in quadfire than in current dual configs. ;)

Of course, in actually playability, 470s are far better, but they also feature technology, that while increasing visual "fidelity", actually very largely impacts performance.

When you've stepped over 60FPS consistently, so that your minimum FPS never goes below your monitor's true refresh, it's questionable how useful any extra speed is. So now we've got tech like NV Surround and Eyefinity to justify the extra performance/cost. The truth is hiding there, but many don't want to admit it.

If you hop on to the teamspeak, you'll find we actually kinda do this often...performance compares in real-time...bunch of us jump into a game, and check performance as we are all playing together....


It kinda gives a different perspective.

CDdude55That's because that picture is fake more likely and that video i posted is from Nvidia themselves.

Please don't tell me you actually think that picture is real.(then again you are a heavy AMD fan)

Go to the bottom of this thread: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 Reference Design Graphics ... and you'll see some actual real pictures.

wew, i'm sorry i didn't know that pic was FAKE, i even build more computer with nvdia than AMD (because i have good deal on them). and i'm just stating my opinion so if you didn't agree please don't insult people.

wahdangunwew, i'm sorry i didn't know that pic was FAKE, i even build more computer with nvdia than AMD (because i have good deal on them). and i'm just stating my opinion so if you didn't agree please don't insult people.

Honestly wasn't trying to be mean, i just got tried of the constant one-sided bashing and said that out of frustration.

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Why did the person who uploaded this censor out part of the idle Memory clock, Shader clock and the decimal on the Core clock? What magical secrets do those number enhold? I can understand blocking stuff like the code name and 3D clocks, but not the idle clocks.

Also looking at those temps, they're kinda disappointing on a 'refined' chip. My 5870 Vapor-X sits around 35C. 46C seems kinda of high to me. That's the temps of a GTX285 after it's been busy as my PhysX card.

HillBeastWhy did the person who uploaded this censor out part of the idle Memory clock, Shader clock and the decimal on the Core clock? What magical secrets do those number enhold? I can understand blocking stuff like the code name and 3D clocks, but not the idle clocks.

They also censored the fan speed on one of the pics lol.:confused:

Jiraiya

GALAXY GTX 580

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So, apparently those initial indications that GF110 was going to be 512bit was wrong. All these cards we've seen have had 1.5GB of RAM and a 384bit bus. Sounds a bit like all they did was fix the transistor leakage of a GF100 and hope all goes well.

Well lets hope it's not as fail as that unlocked GF100 which those people got their hands on which was only marginally faster than a 480SP GF100. That thing was only like 10FPS faster in the best of circumstances. Please tell me it's not, NVIDIA. I don't think I can bare you guys screwing up again. I used to like you.