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Cost effective doesn't necessarily mean "cheap" can have a 2nd meaning beside unreliable, i.e. it doesn't mean this card will cost less than the reference, or at least significantly less considering that 10$ less is not an actual improvement in price.

Andy77Cost effective doesn't necessarily mean "cheap" can have a 2nd meaning beside unreliable, i.e. it doesn't mean this card will cost less than the reference, or at least significantly less considering that 10$ less is not an actual improvement in price.

100% true ... I wont take such card with cost effective component, thank god there is TPU to unveil such news.

Andy77Cost effective doesn't necessarily mean "cheap" can have a 2nd meaning beside unreliable, i.e. it doesn't mean this card will cost less than the reference, or at least significantly less considering that 10$ less is not an actual improvement in price.

its always bout profit :shadedshu

cost-effective driver-MOSFET (DrMOS) chips that appear to be made by Renesas.

DrMos is what AMD used on reference 6970...
If that is a step down I wonder what is in the 7970...

Pardon, that doesn't look like DrMos :

well that pictures only shows the inductors. DrMOS could be under the heat pad which is covering MOSFETs. DrMOS or Volterra power stages would make sense. That looks like a volterra VRm deigns. Those are CPL inductors and most of those are custom made for volterra design. Volterra has power stages like those used on X58 classified, DrMOS is a type of power stage.

IMO that is volterra VRM in the pic above, much different than that shown in the first picture. Volterra likes to advertise the need for little to no output caps other than a proadlizer or a bunch of ceramics like those shown.

What people don't understand is that DrMOS is a Driver and two MOSFETs. A power stage is a Driver and two MOSFETs. They are identical in theory. However Volterra power stages only will work with volterra PWMs(maybe a few other vendors who might be cool with the protocol) and the protocol is volterra. IR power stages like you can see on GB X79 boards used on the DRAm and VCCSA VRs with IR PWMs are a driver and two MOSFETs which work with IR protocols. DrMOS can come from a range of companies from renesas, to infeineon to vishay and work with a wide variety of PWMs, DrMOS is a standard but also a power stage.

What people don't understand is that some no names to board VRs like Ti makes the best digital PWMs, only followed by volterra then chil/ir. But Ti is also the most expensive digital PWM you can buy, followed by volterra who can't supply enough to asus and gb, then Chil only supplied to a few vendors and has exclusivity contracts, and then IR boguht them and increased options.

Volterra PWMs and their VRs look pretty sick tho, there is no denying it.

I think saying DrMOS is cost effective isn't the right way to say it, the only thing cost effective about them is that you can mix and match, and you also don't need to buy drivers made by the PWm company. Otherwise there are some very expensive DrMOS variants out there.

um... they use voltera DrMos
because of shortage of Ti DrMos...

And where are the Hi-C CAP's, I see only SMD ones?

Hi-C caps are MSIs way of saying tantalum capacitor, POSCAPs are better quality tantalum capacitors than what MSI calls Hi-C which they use on their boards. But MSI does use POSCAPs too and still calls them Hi-C i guess so they are interchangeable to MSI. Other companies will just call then tantalum or POSCAP as POSCAP is a brand name for Sanyo/Panasonic branded tantalums

I know that. Tantalum caps are high capacity, heavy-duty ones. Using SMDs means that your output voltage is so clean , that it doesn't need additional capacitor smoothing anymore. Also Intel recommends less capacitance for digital PWM&VRM to be responsive enough.

BTW there are those tantalum caps on the backside of the PCB.

Interesting how parts are becoming cheap quality and the warranty is getting less.

We can reverse this by BoyCot. Hit these companies in the pocket book, and they will change there tune.

I wouldn't say cheap, DirectFETs really people think they output a lot, but they are rated at like 35A max continuous for the majority of top models from different manufactures, there are those that do 40A but those aren't really used all the time. So are those DrMOS most are rated 35A. DirectFETs are just better in certain scenarios as they are better at being cooled and IMo they look better and are more durable i would think.

DirectFETs are usually used in either a typical 2 FET designs with a high-side(control) and low-side FET(sync), but the current runs through the sync FET to the inductor from the control FET. Now they have dual output sync-FETs, so you only need 3 MOSFETs with 1 driver for 2 phases. That it itself saves money on doublers and the extra FET, but also saves in efficiency. On some boards they use all 3 FETs in one phase on many they could use them and call them 2.

DrMOS are efficient because of less components, much increased power density is excellent. DrMOS are really powerstages, and no one calls volterra powerstages cost-effective. Volterra and IR and TI, and DrMOS makers all have the same concept of the driver and FETs integrated into one chip, but Voltera and Ti and IR have much different proprietary protocols. Volterra has a master/slave concept for instance. DrMOS really aren't that cheap they just don't shine really pretty and don't cool down as well as DirectFET/CopperMOS and probably can't handle as much beating.

the DirectFETs are much more durable in a way, and they are built for heavy duty applications, but they are also much easier to double to make larger phase systems. DrMOS require a PWm signal per phase, driver doublers seem to be much more common as now used on ASUS and GB motherboards. On older GB boards in which DrMOS were used they used different type of doubler than GB currently uses for the discrete FET designs. They both have their pros and cons. but IMO using DrMOS isn't bad, unless the DrMOS are known to have issues. Would i prefer DirectFETs? yes I would, but i wouldn't call them cost effective, that would be like calling all powerstages cost effective without knowing what kind of specs they have. They have Volterra and IR power stages that can output 40A and others that can do 60A, they have DrMOS that can do 50A and others that do 35A. Finding out the rating is important too.