Friday, January 20th 2012

Starved of Consensus, SOPA and PIPA to Get US President's Veto

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Gobs and gobs of lobbyists' cash are about to go down the drain as the now stalled Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect Intellectual Property Act (PIPA) could be postponed "indefinitely". What's more, Barack Obama's (D) cabinet hinted that the President could veto the two pending House's bills out of concern that the bills Orwellian takedown provisions could damage the legitimate internet economy. This essentially means that SOPA and PIPA in their present forms are shelved till a consensus can emerge on them, which is nowhere in sight, as the juggernaut of public and institutional outrage has rolled over PR of several of the bills' previous proponents and endorsers.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, one of the architects of these two works of literature today posted a statement in response to the Senate decision to what he calls a postponment of the two bills. SOPA and PIPA have been widely criticized by everyone from large corporations such as Google and Microsoft, to the Human Rights Watch. The bills are criticized to be too broad scoped to tackle piracy and IP theft, and could be misused for corporate censorship.
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49 Comments on Starved of Consensus, SOPA and PIPA to Get US President's Veto

#1
claylomax
Well, aren't these good news?
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#2
jasper1605
Funny that press releases are now saying that Obama would veto it. He originally threatened to veto it because there was not enough power in it; now they say he would veto it because there is too much???? sounds like our one and only Obama for you.

OT: I'm glad that these things are stalled. They'll be back for sure, but at least the interwebz can breathe a small sigh of relief for the time being.
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#3
TheoneandonlyMrK
i do hope so, well all end up way worse off if nobody stops this capitalist shenanigins:D

i thought it a great advert to the common man about the power and danger lobyists pose, it(lobying) if anything is what should be outlawed, why should big business get the opportunities the common man has no chance of.:banghead:
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#4
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
claylomaxWell, aren't these good news?
We won the battle, not the war. If Congress manages to pass PIPA or SOPA, Obama will likely veto and there isn't enough votes to override that veto. Even so, more bills are bound to be proposed. The MPAA has billions of dollars to spend on lobbying and there's plenty of politicians on Capital Hill all too willing to take their money. The only permanent solution is to get everyone that attacks the 1st amendment out of office.
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#5
overclocking101
be the first good thing obama has done since entering office!
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#6
TheMailMan78
Big Member
They will just change the name and tact it on to a bill everyone loves. It will get passed. Thats how they got the 1022 passed in the NDAA. Said families of soldiers would starve without new funding then they added the 1022 on the back end. The name "SOPA" may be dead but ITS SOUL STILL BURNS!
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#7
erocker
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LOL the President said he would veto NDAA too. That didn't happen.
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#8
TheMailMan78
Big Member
erockerLOL the President said he would veto NDAA too. That didn't happen.
Oh yeah. Don't forget he said he wouldn't renew the tax breaks AND would repeal the Patriot Act.

Not only did he renew the tax breaks but he ENHANCED the Patriot Act AND signed the NDAA.
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#9
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
The only way to keep this down is to keep fighting it, because these rich and powerful lobbyists will never stop.
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#10
TheMailMan78
Big Member
qubitThe only way to keep this down is to keep fighting it, because these rich and powerful lobbyists will never stop.
You can kick and scream all you want. Its gonna pass eventually. They will attach it to some social program or something so if you bitch about it you look like a bad person. Again NDAA is a prime example. Do you wanna be the guy who says military families don't get their checks this month while mommy or daddy are off to war? No you sign it like a BOSS.

This is politics. You not being in Washington have NO SAY.

The fact Anonymous attacked the DOJ gave them an EPIC excuse to take away more liberties. Cannot wait to see what they do about that.
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#11
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
TheMailMan78The fact Anonymous attacked the DOJ gave them an EPIC excuse to take away more liberties. Cannot wait to see what they do about that.
I'm afraid this is very true. Anonymous isn't helping preserve an open internet. They're giving the powers that be more reason to tighten the noose.
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#12
DannibusX
erockerLOL the President said he would veto NDAA too. That didn't happen.
Was just coming to say this exact thing.
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#13
digibucc
FordGT90ConceptI'm afraid this is very true. Anonymous isn't helping preserve an open internet. They're giving the powers that be more reason to tighten the noose.
as though that reason wouldn't be manufactured anyway?
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#14
TheMailMan78
Big Member
digibuccas though that reason wouldn't be manufactured anyway?
When you act like a child you cannot be mad when you are treated like a child.
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#15
reverze
just like he would have vetod NDAA *sarcasm*.

Now that it has been stalled its too late to change your mind or speak out against it. it means crap when you suppported it till the outrage that made passing it impossible.
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#16
phanbuey
Well bitch and moan about Obama all you want. But this is definitely a good thing.
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#17
digibucc
TheMailMan78When you act like a child you cannot be mad when you are treated like a child.
when you act like a child you cannot be mad when a pedophile comes after you?

ok - i agree. but my point still stands imo - and that is that there are always reasons to limit freedom and curtail liberty. if it wasn't anonymous it'd catchy hacker group #534 - but just because an excuse exists doesn't justify the action. what WOULD make us an honorable people would be to solve these problems WITHOUT taking such tyrannical measures.
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#18
phanbuey
TheMailMan78They will just change the name and tact it on to a bill everyone loves. It will get passed. Thats how they got the 1022 passed in the NDAA. Said families of soldiers would starve without new funding then they added the 1022 on the back end. The name "SOPA" may be dead but ITS SOUL STILL BURNS!
You mean like "OPEN"?
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#19
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
We live in a Republic that responds to the democratic process. Democratic process demands we do not elect the people that support censorship of any kind. It's like smoking pot to protest pot being illegal--you're giving them a reason to tighten the laws. You have to play their game (politics) and win. It's easier than you think--just look at what was already accomplished.

Again, the true test is going to be what TheMailMain pointed out: tying SOPA/PIPA to some other bill. If the politicians aren't 100% against it, they'll pass it attached to something else.
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#20
digibucc
i don't disagree at all - my point was simply to say that giving their excuse doesn't actually excuse anything. it's just as evil whether anonymous hacked the doj or not.

and agreed again on it being stapled to something else.
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#21
TheMailMan78
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FordGT90ConceptWe live in a Republic that responds to the democratic process. Democratic process demands we do not elect the people that support censorship of any kind. It's like smoking pot to protest pot being illegal--you're giving them a reason to tighten the laws. You have to play their game (politics) and win. It's easier than you think--just look at what was already accomplished.

Again, the true test is going to be what TheMailMain pointed out: tying SOPA/PIPA to some other bill. If the politicians aren't 100% against it, they'll pass it attached to something else.
To much money has paid for SOPA. If those people want election money they WILL PASS it somehow. Maybe not under the SOPA name but it will be passed.

Again big companies are mad at the amount of theft online. They used their vast money to lobby law makers to stop it somehow. SOPA was the first of MANY laws you will see.

Who's to blame? The people who gave big companies a reason to mobilize. The free for all couldn't last forever. When you take advantage of something that doesn't belong to you it gets taken away. Sorry kids but you brought this on yourself. No free masons or illuminati made you download the latest Justin Bieber album. You did that all by yourselves. Now we all suffer.
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#22
digibucc
TheMailMan78Who's to blame? The people who gave big companies a reason to mobilize.
pirates are wrong, we get that mailman, thank you. but how are the people that are actually TRYING to erase our freedoms at least not partly to blame? as i said before, whatever reason they have isn't good enough - what they are doing is still wrong and so i see them as holding a fair amount of blame as well.

how you fight shows a lot about your character. if we as a country simply lock down freedoms in exchange for money, that to me says a lot more about the people behind the action than it says about the measly pirates they used as an excuse.
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#23
TheMailMan78
Big Member
digibuccpirates are wrong, we get that mailman, thank you. but how are the people that are actually TRYING to erase our freedoms at least not partly to blame? as i said before, whatever reason they have isn't good enough - what they are doing is still wrong and so i see them as holding a fair amount of blame as well.

how you fight shows a lot about your character. if we as a country simply lock down freedoms in exchange for money, that to me says a lot more about the people behind the action than it says about the measly pirates they used as an excuse.
In communism they give you poison. In a democracy you choose your poison.

We the people have picked these people generation after generation. We deserve what we get.
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#24
v12dock
Block Caption of Rainey Street
The President said he was going to actually do SOMETHING but has he?
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#25
SteelSix
TheMailMan78In communism they give you poison. In a democracy you choose your poison.
Damn where's my bumper sticker machine.. :toast:
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