TDP of 125W for the 4-core versions!.. thats a bit high..
i7-3820 is the only intel 4-core @ 130W TDP..

i feel they are inferior to phenom II X4.. but i guess the FX-41xx cpus offer good performance/price ratios, no?

Thanks for heads-up.
I'm skipping this though... Waiting for Vishera.

These seem pointless, as far behind as AMD already is in terms of performance.

They don't know what to do.
They are in deep trouble,i would not want to be in Rory Reads shoes right now.

they can not increase preformance - that is understandable, but they can increase preformance/price at least to the phenom II level! that would make some sence of those worthless chips

dieterdthey can not increase preformance - that is understandable, but they can increase preformance/price at least to the phenom II level! that would make some sence of those worthless chips

Why not simply reduce the price of their octo cores, or perhaps release a chipset for dual CPU's intended for using 2 of these lower end chips, something to generate interest, because as of now these are beyond pointless.

dieterdthey can not increase preformance - that is understandable, but they can increase preformance/price at least to the phenom II level! that would make some sence of those worthless chips

Things look very bad my friend.
An intel notebook recently released beats the fx-8150 at cinebench.
That means bye bye to trinity as well.

dieterdthey can not increase preformance - that is understandable, but they can increase preformance/price at least to the phenom II level! that would make some sence of those worthless chips

You trying to start a flame war?

Dent1You trying to start a flame war?

By pointing out a fact ?

faramirBy pointing out a fact ?

You didn't sit in AMD's board meetings with the stakeholders. Only AMD knows their motives. So its not fact its assumption.

AvonXThings look very bad my friend.
An intel notebook recently released beats the fx-8150 at cinebench.
That means bye bye to trinity as well.

Well trinity utilizes piledriver, which is supposed to have 10-15% higher IPC and 20% higher clocks compared to bulldozer... not to mention that it isn't sounding like it can be VLIW4 on the GPU side given the most recent rumor of 384 units on die.. which is exactly 75% of the 7750's units, the same exact stock clock, and with DDR3-2133 dual channel, the memory bandwidth is just about the same. Which would mean that a hybrid X-fire solution would be almost perfect there, as the only hybrid x-fire card for VLIW4 could only be a 69xx series card. Also as an issue there is the lower number of shader units compared to the vliw5 cards despite the claimed 30-50% higher GPU performance reported by AMD, though GCN might be capable of it.
Oh and the IPC will be more or less the same as a core2' IPC, and the A10 comes clocked at 4ghz stock with an unlocked multiplier.

Trinity doesn't look so bad for a mainstream line of chips.

There is no flame war here,it is a fact.
Nvidia is releasing a faster graphics cards,trinity is at risk,the investors that purchased Sea Micro are starting to wonder.
What more do you need?

Dent1You didn't sit in AMD's board meetings with the stakeholders. Only AMD knows their motives. So its not fact its assumption.

QQ, one can easily see the truth by examining the past, I guess you just don't want to hear it.

AvonXThere is no flame war here,it is a fact.
Nvidia is releasing a faster graphics cards,trinity is at risk,the investors that purchased Sea Micro are starting to wonder.
What more do you need?

Nvidia is apparently releasing faster GPUs. There are no official cards out yet, and we've only seen hints at the top-end card wich accounts for maybe 5-10% at most of discrete GPU sales being faster.
Trinity being at risk is only if it gets delayed exceptionally. Piledriver is looking to almost be what bulldozer should have been had AMD fanboys had their way, sadly a year late, but at least competitive with much better IGP again.

with homogenous cores being in the 2014 on schedule for AMD the sea micro deal may be important.

AvonXThere is no flame war here,it is a fact.

You have no intention of starting a flame war, but I'm just pointing out that overtly negative comments fuel flame wars.

AvonXNvidia is releasing a faster graphics cards,trinity is at risk,the investors that purchased Sea Micro are starting to wonder.
What more do you need?

But it's still based on assumption. Only AMD key shareholders know AMD's operational strategy. If we knew a company's true motives we'd have significant stock & shares and would be sitting under the sun as millionaires.

Well i really hope that everything goes well.
It just seams to me that they are confused and they don't know what they are doing and running to release stuff that make no sense.
That is how i see it..If i am wrong only time will tell.

AvonXWell i really hope that everything goes well.
It just seams to me that they are confused and they don't know what they are doing and running to release stuff that make no sense.
That is how i see it..If i am wrong only time will tell.

Personally I think you are right but in a wrong way - you are seeing it from a customers point of view not a business.

But from a business perspective they are doing the right thing because in the performance CPU market the Piledriver is in Q3 (date keeps changing) according to the last roadmap I saw. So they need to continue to generate revenue between now and then. Bulldozer is selling really well despite disappointing performance, so they are supplying our demand. They won't supply Piledriver until we stop wanting Bulldozer!

Also it probably cost hundreds of millions of dollars for R&D and to buy automated machines to manufacturer and package Bulldozer in vast quantities so I'm sure they want to continue making Bulldozer and recoup those costs whether you like it or not.

Considering Phenom II is being Axed and remnant supplies are going fast due to being a overall better chip. Bulldozer reminds me of Prescott.

They have to keep business goin, considering they are tooling around with Piledriver and Trinity, If trinity is proving to be 30% faster than Llano that might transfer to Piledriver too.

Until Piledriver lands Im not building anything, I also Left my bros machine at a certain capability- basically when the final AM3+ CPU drops that is the fastest and still supports the 970A Chipset will go into that along with the Max Ram at 2133MHz which should be 32GB for that board. Id Also love to see a Dual Processor Format too

What is with their naming scheme??:shadedshu

I picked up an FX-6200, great chip BTW, and they are bringing out an FX-6130???

Current/announced models:

FX-4100, 4130, 4170,....
FX-6100, 6130, 6200 :wtf:,...
FX-8120, 8150,...

Wouldn't it have made more sense calling the 6200 a 6150 or 6170?

or am I missing something...

NortonFX-4100, 4130, 4170,....
FX-6100, 6130, 6200 :wtf:,...
FX-8120, 8150,...

B3 stepping, so it's a newer revision. Probably fixes glitches, tiny improvement to performance and better overclock overheads. TDP increased to 125W because of increased default and turbo clock frequencies, thus heat.

Dent1B3 stepping, so it's a newer revision. Probably fixes glitches, tiny improvement to performance and better overclock overheads.

Nope same stepping (B2)... checked before I bought it. I believe that the new stepping/Piledriver chips will be x3xx part #'s

I always seem to get an oddball :rolleyes:

I am not sure just what AMD is trying to do. There already have a lot of Chips to chose from why are they adding even MORE Chips to the FX line? It seems a bit confusing to say the least.

Dent1You trying to start a flame war?

Dent1You didn't sit in AMD's board meetings with the stakeholders. Only AMD knows their motives. So its not fact its assumption.

Dent1You have no intention of starting a flame war, but I'm just pointing out that overtly negative comments fuel flame wars.




But it's still based on assumption. Only AMD key shareholders know AMD's operational strategy. If we knew a company's true motives we'd have significant stock & shares and would be sitting under the sun as millionaires.

Do you just troll all the AMD threads looking for some one to say some thing bad about AMD?
Do you sit on the board of Shareholders? Or work for AMD? I am starting to wonder about you.

AMD is putting out way to many chips flooding the market with useless chips when they have lots of them on the market now. Going back and forth, Up and down with there Numbers scheme. They now have the FX6200 out and just look at the chart! It is totally confusing at best!
I think this is just a way to flood the CPU market and make as much cash as they can off the Bulldozer till they can get the Piledriver out. But makes one wonder.

ya know what why dont you both chill out, no reason to instigate anything here.

eidairaman1ya know what why dont you both chill out, no reason to instigate anything here.

Why ME? i asked valuable question's here.
Is AMD flooding the market or what? A flooded market is not such a good thing. we start to get lost in all the babble!

FX-4100, 4130, 4170,....
FX-6100, 6130, 6200 ,...
FX-8120, 8150,...