Monday, August 10th 2015

Intel Skylake De-lidded, Reveals Tiny Die

When Japanese tech publication PC Watch got under the hood (lid) of a Core i7-6700K quad-core processor, what they found was an unexpectedly small silicon, that's shorter in proportion to its width, than previous dies from Intel, such as Haswell-D, and Ivy Bridge-D. It's smaller than even the i7-5775C, despite the same 14 nm process, because of its slimmer integrated graphics core with just 24 execution units (compared to 48 on the i7-5775C), and the lack of an external 128 MB SRAM cache for the iGPU.

The substrate Intel is using on the i7-6700K was found to be slimmer than the one on the i7-4770K, at 0.8 mm thick, compared to 1.1 mm on the latter. The thicker IHS (integrated heatspreader) makes up for the thinner substrate, so it shouldn't cause problems with using your older LGA1150 coolers on the new socket. Intel is using a rather viscous silver-based TIM between the die and the IHS. The die is closer to the center of the IHS than its predecessors were. PC Watch swapped out the stock TIM with Prolimatech PK-3 and Cool Laboratory Liquid Pro, and found some impressive drops in temperatures at stock speed (4.00 GHz) and with a mild overclock (4.60 GHz).
Source: PC Watch
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112 Comments on Intel Skylake De-lidded, Reveals Tiny Die

#101
Tatty_Two
Gone Fishing
Sony Xperia SOh, it matters, it matters. 9.05 mm by 13.52 mm, or 122.4 square mm.

Holy crap, look at those margins. I think a price reduction to somewhere between 100 and 200 $ would fit perfectly in order to make me think about purchase.
Sorry, I don't believe that after months of posting absolute reams of anti Intel stuff in so many threads you would ever consider buying Intel, so trying to justify a so called realistic price point for this CPU that is around or even less $ than AMD's leading offerings whilst it out performs those AMD offerings by a large margin in most things is insulting everyone's intelligence especially your own :D
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#102
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
esreverIntel's profit margin must be insane for these.
It may cost less to make each chip (I guesstimate $30 per i7-6700K), but Intel has to pay for development of the 14 nm node (new machinery and R&D going into making them), and the countless engineers with 7 to 8-figure salaries, and in the end pay shareholders dividends; and make just enough profit to invest in the next product cycle. Intel grows with each cycle. It's only fair.
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#103
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
So, back on topic, I for one am amazed, as a non-engineer, how much power and efficiency are built into such a small die. It truly is a feat. Sure, I poo-pooed the lack of soldering on at least the 6700k, but I doubt it will be easy to overheat this thing with halfway decent cooling, eliminating the need for built-in thermal throttling to kick off.

That said, I'm just not as compelled to upgrade from my 3770k as I am to upgrade my GPU.
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#104
Sony Xperia S
Tatty_OneSorry, I don't believe that after months of posting absolute reams of anti Intel stuff in so many threads you would ever consider buying Intel, so trying to justify a so called realistic price point for this CPU that is around or even less $ than AMD's leading offerings whilst it out performs those AMD offerings by a large margin in most things is insulting everyone's intelligence especially your own
I am fine, do not worry about me. You compare 32 nm vs 14 nm...

Nothing is eternal, you know, not in this world. :D
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#105
Agreemenot
tabascosauzHahah. Nice try at trolling.

It's about time someone came around and locked this thread. There isn't much to be said about Skylake (BORING in itself), which is the topic of the news post, since we know everything already and hardly anything has changed about delidding since Haswell (unless...but that's for another news post). This is going on and on, and this newcomer, who we would've otherwise welcomed, has led this thread off topic for long enough.
If anyone is trolling its you and Octopussy making it out to be some conspiracy and using demeaning words towards others. Also you and others brought political ideology into it, not me, as i only mentioned "politics" as a factor.

That Skylake comes with TIM once again on a premium product and with only two choices and a chipset is something clearly to be dissatisfied about. Not only for the consumers/purchasers but reviewer as well. There's no E4* E6* Q6* and 9* G3* P35 and such as it was before.
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#106
Octopuss
rtwjunkieThat said, I'm just not as compelled to upgrade from my 3770k as I am to upgrade my GPU.
Agree. I am more than happy with my delidded 3770K doing about 76° on the hottest core at 4,4GHz under extreme load in this horrible weather (33-36°C for two weeks, kill me). I think it will last me for quite some time. I will probably consider upgrading when next generation after Skylake comes out.
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#107
Tatty_Two
Gone Fishing
Sony Xperia SI am fine, do not worry about me. You compare 32 nm vs 14 nm...

Nothing is eternal, you know, not in this world. :D
No your wrong, I am comparing your mindset with Intel :)
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#108
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
OctopussAgree. I am more than happy with my delidded 3770K doing about 76° on the hottest core at 4,4GHz under extreme load in this horrible weather (33-36°C for two weeks, kill me). I think it will last me for quite some time. I will probably consider upgrading when next generation after Skylake comes out.
Your temperatures would kill me! That's our normal summer temperature (33-36 C) as well, but here everyone has air conditioning to get out of that heat and high humidity.
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#109
tabascosauz
It looks like Skylake's thin substrate is causing delidding to be a little more complicated. www.overclock.net/t/1568357/skylake-delidded No vice method then.

However, since Skylake got rid of the additional FIVR, doing the razor method is a little less worrying. Plus, the die is so small and a lot more square than Haswell that you have plenty of wiggle room with the blade.

The user said that 5.1GHz without delid ran into throttling, but I'm not sure what kind of cooling this was under. If this was air, then we're in for a pleasant surprise.
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#110
twomacaque
BorisDGDelided Broadwell - 5775C for those that are interesed:

Wow! does the 5775C delidded fit under the famous Delid Guard? Can anyone confirm?

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#111
BorisDG
Why you want to delid it? The processor is relatively cold. Mine is 25-27 idle. Max load is 55-56.
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#112
twomacaque
BorisDGWhy you want to delid it? The processor is relatively cold. Mine is 25-27 idle. Max load is 55-56.
Awwww, Boris, because it's there! The challenge!

Also --- max load cold doesn't mean it cannot run warmer when the GPU is under intense load.
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