Monday, October 17th 2022

AMD Cuts Down Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Production As Demand Drops Like a Rock

AMD reportedly scaled down production of its Ryzen 7000 series desktop processors in response to bleak demand across the PC hardware industry. Wccftech claims to have read an internal company document calling for reduced supply to the channel as market response to the Ryzen 7000-series is weak. This comes hot on the heels of AMD revising its Q3-2022 forecast, trimming its guidance by a $1 billion drop in revenue, citing weak demand in the PC market. However, we are seeing no deviation from the launch pricing for Ryzen 7000-series SKUs or compatible Socket AM5 motherboards. The platform went on sale from late September, on the same day that Intel announced its competing 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" processors. The new Intel chips are expected to start selling from a little later this month.

Unlike 13th Gen Core processors, Ryzen 7000 series processors appear to be a victim of the platform—notwithstanding the high pricing of the processors, which start at $299 for the 6-core 7600X, buyers lack access to affordable motherboards, and have to contend with expensive DDR5 memory. Pricing of cheaper LGA1700 motherboards based on entry-level H610 and B660 chipsets with cost-effective DDR4 memory support have added depth to consumer choice, besides Intel's 12th Gen range starting from under $150.
Source: Wccftech
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242 Comments on AMD Cuts Down Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Production As Demand Drops Like a Rock

#76
kapone32
WirkoWFH and Covid notwithstanding, that's the general long term trend, so a wise AMD would consider 7000H and 7000U series a prioritiy now, not X3D.
If the X3D chips give the same upgrade in performance on AM5 as AM4 they will sell plenty of them. I am sure AMD is hard at work refining 7000H and U chips as we speak.
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#77
_Flare
give us A620 for under 75€ and i´ll buy all of em NOW

btw i´ve an AM5 since some time now ... it´s a Sharkoon Case. :kookoo:
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#78
TheLostSwede
News Editor
Robin SeinaThe RAM prices are not a big problem, the big problem is price of motherboard. With AM4 prices used to be from 100 to 300 USD rarely more. Now? it starts with 300 USD and rises to usuall 500 USD and some even cost 1000 USD... What to say more to that...
Some of the top-tier boards have also gained what can only be called silly features, just to differentiate one halo product from another.
All that bling bling adds a lot of cost in the end.
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#79
ARF
AMD needs A620 boards with PCIe 4.0, and 65-watt SKUs with 4 cores and 6 cores priced accordingly - $79 and $119. Maybe called Ryzen 2 or Athlon Platinum.
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#80
maxli86
Intel 12th platform cost will definitely be better than the new AMD Ryzen 7000 is one thing.
The operating temperature is really a concern, operating at 95 Degrees.
Electronics that run that hot always usually won't last very long.

The higher end R9 TDP is at 170watt which remind me of the AMD FX-9590 with 220 watt TDP.
Air cooling isn't recommend so have to use liquid cooling for optimum performance which add
more cost to the PC.

So those who want to build PC either Intel 12th or AMD AM4 platform will be decent enough.
For AMD Ryzen 7000 unfortunately it's best targeted at workstation pc than a gaming PC
in my opinion.

Workstation hardware usually are very hot and power hungry and AMD Ryzen 7000 fits the bill.
ARFAMD needs A620 boards with PCIe 4.0, and 65-watt SKUs with 4 cores and 6 cores priced accordingly - $79 and $119. Maybe called Ryzen 2 or Athlon Platinum.
If anyone wants to build a cheap PC, go for AMD AM4 with A520 motherboard instead.
Even if there is A620, generally these motherboard are bad.
The power delivery of the motherboard consist of cheap components so even if it can work.

Not only the CPU can throttle heavily and such motherboard won't last very long.
Cheap motherboard with cheap processor usually is best for day to day use.
Gaming wise is best to invest in a decent motherboard with decent power delivery system
for optimal stability and reliability.
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#81
rv8000
fancuckerWhat disgusts me is the mob mentality and unrealistic expectations internet denizens have. They watch these companies circumvent such limitations with impressive effort and then act like they deserve it for cheaper or free. GPUs were hitting a limit with traditional rasterization and the whole internet was trying to devalue RTX. Now it's in consoles and the main competitor. Nvidia delivered one of the greatest jumps in modern history with the 4090, and people should definitely be more grateful.
Greatful for what? Being bent over?

The 4090 is going to be the only card to really see a performance leap over the 3000 series. The 4080 and below are so cut down spec wise that the performance jumps at the price they’re set to be released at are going to be non existent; ray tracing still has no significant, supported games and actual uses within the game engines remain limited.

The only time I hear about ray tracing is when someone talks about a tech demo, or in product reviews. None of my friends, family, or gaming community members mention it. They’re all playing older games, mainstream games where raw fps outweighs turning on fancy lighting, or games that simply don’t have any ray tracing implementations.

On topic:

The 7600X and 7700X are poor value. The motherboard pricing isn’t what’s stopping me personally. Being aware that the 13600k and 13700k are going to target that price range, Intel was smart to give just enough info on those two Skus that they basically made the 7600X and 7700X DOA.

The 7000 series CPU are a great step forward in terms of raw/traditional performance upgrades (way more than intels tick tock nonsense ever was), but AMD seems to have decided against any increase to stepping up the value proposition in terms of additional cores/threads to their product stack.
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#82
Space Lynx
Astronaut
MarcusTazWith all due respect I believe you're in a small minority of those who are itching for that upgrade. You do make many valid points but I believe the issue lies much deeper. With today's market I just don't think we'll see the massive sales pre and during pandemic with people working from home who needed PC's. I am extremely happy with my 5900x and RTX 3090 FE. Having to upgrade an entirely new EXPENSIVE Mobo, EXPENSIVE RAM just to use the latest and greatest CPU is a No Bueno for the masses, just like DLSS3.0 will not sell massive amounts of RTX 4 cards because we know the fuel behind that was the ETH boom which is now dead, as is mining crypto in general. The reality is with today's market the chip sectors will all suffer bigtime and while I support you upgrading again I do believe you are a small minority of enthusiast's. Again all due respect. :rockout:
graphics card launches still sell out on day 1. so even if what you are saying is true, they should at the very least allocate more TSMC time to their gpu division.
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#83
HTC
_Flaregive us A620 for under 75€ and i´ll buy all of em NOW

btw i´ve an AM5 since some time now ... it´s a Sharkoon Case. :kookoo:
Seriously doubt you'll find ANY @ those prices due the the PCIe 4.0+ specs requiring extra wiring which increase costs quite a lot.

Don't think we'll see a single AM5 board below 125€ for quite some time, if ever (unless used, ofc).
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#84
Space Lynx
Astronaut
watzupkenI feel it is normal for the stock to drop when the economy is not well. There is clearly more downside for AMD because their stock price have been increasing significantly over the years. Intel share prices on the other hand have taken a beating over the years because they started losing business and profits. In any case, the overall macroeconomic health is looking very bad, and Intel will not be immune to it.
Intel will be ok. they got like 20-30 billion of us taxpayer money this year.
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#85
Chomiq
CallandorWoTgraphics card launches still sell out on day 1. so even if what you are saying is true, they should at the very least allocate more TSMC time to their gpu division.
If you don't know the inventory numbers "Selling out on day 1" doesn't mean much.
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#86
zlobby
Bad news for early adopters. Expected hefty price drops.
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#87
Space Lynx
Astronaut
ChomiqIf you don't know the inventory numbers "Selling out on day 1" doesn't mean much.
as far back as i can remember gpu sells out day one. 7970 etc did too.

amd has the ability unlike nvidia, to allocate more tsmc time by cutting its cpu division
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#88
ARF
maxli86If anyone wants to build a cheap PC, go for AMD AM4 with A520 motherboard instead.
Even if there is A620, generally these motherboard are bad.
The power delivery of the motherboard consist of cheap components so even if it can work.

Not only the CPU can throttle heavily and such motherboard won't last very long.
Cheap motherboard with cheap processor usually is best for day to day use.
Gaming wise is best to invest in a decent motherboard with decent power delivery system
for optimal stability and reliability.
No, people want Zen 4 over Zen 3, because Zen 3 is slower, and very slow in the entry level tiers. Zen 3 at 65-watt is worse. Old technology N7 process instead of N5, and all those sorts of things.
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#89
thesmokingman
Nothing has changed, new shit is more expensive than old shit. Plus we're entering a recession it looks like and guess what, shit is supposed to slow, demand, sales, etc etc. Stop acting all surprised and weaponizing it.
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#90
ARF
thesmokingmanNothing has changed, new shit is more expensive than old shit. Plus we're entering a recession it looks like and guess what, shit is supposed to slow, demand, sales, etc etc. Stop acting all surprised and weaponizing it.
Prices go down during recession. Remember the 2008-2009 Great Depression?
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#91
thesmokingman
ARFPrices go down during recession. Remember the 2008-2009 Great Depression?
And? Wtf is with these posts? We're entering a huge downturn. Do you expect things to tick boxes right away?
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#92
ARF
thesmokingmanAnd?
Prices go down, demand and sales go up :D
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#93
Space Lynx
Astronaut
ARFPrices go down during recession. Remember the 2008-2009 Great Depression?
my dad lost his entire retirement, not becuase he invested in the wrong company but because it gave the company he worked for an excuse "to freeze" all retirement, then 6 months late abolish the program in full. no one even remembers those days. so many lives ruined while 90% of the people that caused are chilling on a yacht or in a luxury car as i type this.
ARFPrices go down, demand and sales go up :D
yeah we will see price drops in next 6 months imo
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#94
thesmokingman
CallandorWoTmy dad lost his entire retirement, not becuase he invested in the wrong company but because it gave the company he worked for an excuse "to freeze" all retirement, then 6 months late abolish the program in full. no one even remembers those days. so many lives ruined while 90% of the people that caused are chilling on a yacht or in a luxury car as i type this.



yeah we will see price drops in next 6 months imo
Dude, that fucker Ken Griffen just bought another 107 million dollar home....
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#95
Dimitriman
WavetrexImagine reducing prices to increase demand, lol !
AMD can't do that only one month after launch as it would cause a severe legal headache. But it is coming I am sure, probably for holiday sales.
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#96
HTC
DimitrimanAMD can't do that only one month after launch as it would cause a severe legal headache.
Explain, please.
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#97
Dimitriman
HTCExplain, please.
Well, for one, if you lower your prices less than one month after launch, there will be a wave of returns from buyers who will try get the product at the lower price. They will also not be happy with paying full price at launch and getting stabbed by AMD a few weeks later. AMD would be forced to give rebates to initial buyers.
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#98
InVasMani
CallandorWoTIntel will be ok. they got like 20-30 billion of us taxpayer money this year.
They need it to lay off their marketing department to be fair.
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#99
HTC
DimitrimanWell, for one, if you lower your prices less than one month after launch, there will be a wave of returns from buyers who will try get the product at the lower price. They will also not be happy with paying full price at launch and getting stabbed by AMD a few weeks later. AMD would be forced to give rebates to initial buyers.
Ahhh, i see.
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#100
HenrySomeone
Some of us have been saying this ever since the first rumors regarding the overall platform cost appeared - it's simply too high to appeal to anyone but the most ardent fanboys (and even then, just those that are at least reasonably well off at that) and what do you know, this is exactly what's happening now! :p
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