Prima.VeraRidiculous. This card is exactly DOUBLE the price it should have been. There is absolutely nothing here to justify the callous price of ~1500Euros, including taxes, for a mid-range video card. Nothing.
I'm starting to understand those who have PS5. For at least 6-7 years they don't care about buying a new console.

From a raw gaming perspective consoles are just better. I get that PC gamers, and I have a gaming PC, don't want to hear it but it's just reality. They are finely tuned and if we are getting real about things console gaming if firmly in the 4K realm where as most PC gaming is still 1080p 60hz for the vast amount of people and only really exists because it's the "cheap poor mans option" due to steam sales. That's not the case for me, but I threw thousands at a rig that is also used for work but still can't keep up with the PS5 when it comes to 4K.

I have a Switch for Nintendo games and for all it's flaws it's a great little box. I also have a PS5 I got for Demon's Souls and even with a 3090 the PS5 floors the PC on the OLED.

I think most people now game on their PC, phone, and console anyways regardless.

pavleRadeon RX 7900 might just smoke this one or at least match if for better value.

All signs indicate it will not smoke it, it will be on par, at best. But it could still offer better perf/$.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

bugAll signs indicate it will not smoke it, it will be on par, at best. But it could still offer better perf/$.

All signs (Nvidia 4000 series reveal, AMD RDNA 3 announcement and these performance leaks) indicate the 4080 is about 20 - 25% faster than the 3090Ti. The 7900XTX is looking to be 54% faster than a 6950XT so doing the math the 7900XTX looks to be about 15% faster in raster than the 4080. On the RT side of things it looks like 4080 will have a 15% advantage give or take. So perf/$ will massively favour the 7900XTX in raster and slightly favour the 7900XTX in RT if the 7900XTX RT performance is good enough for people.

Vayra86There is absolutely no need to upgrade faster if you're near the top of the stack, at best there is a 'want', called upgrade itch :). GPU has hit the segment that CPU did already touch during the quadcore age. Its just more than enough, diminishing returns territory happens already from midrange on up. Sure, if you elevate the bar of acceptance to 'must have 4K, must have RT, must have 144+ FPS steady' then yes, you're in for a (bi-) yearly ride into crazy land. To me however those are all nice to haves at best. And if you compare to a console owner, really, chasing the cutting edge isn't happening there either.

So many games, even AAA titles in 2022 don't have the art assets or model fidelity to really justify >1080p. All 4K/144Hz gaming does is expose the lower animation framerate of characters, highlight textures that the developer didn't bother upgrading for 4K, and generally exposing things that detract from the experience as much as the resolution boost improves it.

Something like a vanilla RX 6600 for $225 will play every XBSX and PS5 game at console settings or better, 60fps, giving you 95% of the best AAA gaming experience. There really are very few games in history that are good games because of their graphics. At best, pretty graphics can make a mediocre game slightly more enjoyable, but graphics is not the reason you should be playing them.

You want a proper upgrade:

• Pick a cheap Ampere GPU
• Pick a 7900XTX
• If you can afford and pending Nvidia's response toward melting connectors, pick a 4090 for GPU performance supremacy

Each of this option COULD be justified IMO,
the 4090 is very expensive but the strongest GPU, in times where sli is kinda dead, that's the best GPU out there for people who need that.
The 7900XTX just has, ON PAPER (to be validated by independent reviewers) by far the best performance per $ ratio out there, for me it should be the main choice.
Ampere are stupid cheap in the USA, less so in Europe but if you have something like a 1080 and you can pick a cheap 3080...that's a really smart upgrade

Where does the 4080 stands ? Too expensive compared to the 7900XTX, not cheap enough to justify not taking a far better 4090 should you want to spend that much already. It's an absurd GPU price wise. Do not purchase it IMO, exercise patience..at least december for AMD.

SOAREVERSORFrom a raw gaming perspective consoles are just better. I get that PC gamers, and I have a gaming PC, don't want to hear it but it's just reality. They are finely tuned and if we are getting real about things console gaming if firmly in the 4K realm where as most PC gaming is still 1080p 60hz for the vast amount of people and only really exists because it's the "cheap poor mans option" due to steam sales. That's not the case for me, but I threw thousands at a rig that is also used for work but still can't keep up with the PS5 when it comes to 4K.

I have a Switch for Nintendo games and for all it's flaws it's a great little box. I also have a PS5 I got for Demon's Souls and even with a 3090 the PS5 floors the PC on the OLED.

I think most people now game on their PC, phone, and console anyways regardless.

It really depends on your perspective on gaming.

I've been going back and forth between console and PC in my gaming life, starting with NES. I play with a gamepad on my PC if that's what the game's built for. No problemo.

But then I also love strategy and isometric games. They are absolutely shite on consoles, or just simply not even there. Also, MMO's. Long lasting online games like DOTA. Its just a whole other world man, and if you love gaming, you'd do wise to not exclude one over the other. Couch gaming has its qualities I do agree. But also, so so many limitations, mostly related to the input device. The godawful slowness of joystick versus the godly responsiveness on a PC also enables completely different gaming, mostly in the competitive field.

A PC still has many leagues more flexibility than a console, and it expresses that in many games consoles just won't have. At the same time, you can easily play any console game/port/emulator on the PC. You might miss a few first party titles, but even that isn't a given today.

The console has its advantages, though yes. Cost of hardware is one. Cost of games however offsets that and the favor moves to the PC for total cost of ownership the more you game.

The one advantage consoles still have over the PC in every way is plug and play. Sure, you also download updates, but still, you can make it plug and play. That is also the case for a large number of PC games - but definitely not for all of them, especially not if you dive into all the platform has to offer. That increase in complexity isn't for everyone.

Your post focuses a lot on graphics. Note how mine focuses a lot on the games, the content. That's where gaming is at. Not in the number of pixels you can or cannot see.

The 4070 should be superior to the 3090ti, the 4080 should have the same performance as the 4090 to justify 1200€ (real price with TAX not the fake MSRP).
This just another Turing, the 4090 is too overpriced to be good, especially with no Titan capabilities.

MarsM4NIf you can get your hands on a PS5. ;) It's embarrassing that 2 years after release it's still scalped away while you can pick up a xBox Series X dirst cheap off the shelf.
Granted, demand for a PS5 is like double than for a xBox, but that's no excuse.

Ps5 as a device and its eco-system are trash compared to series X, but the ps4 era hype and fanboys create that scalping issue alongside the lower production rate sony has compared to MS.

sephiroth117You want a proper upgrade:

• Pick a cheap Ampere GPU
• Pick a 7900XTX
• If you can afford and pending Nvidia's response toward melting connectors, pick a 4090 for GPU performance supremacy

Each of this option COULD be justified IMO,
the 4090 is very expensive but the strongest GPU, in times where sli is kinda dead, that's the best GPU out there for people who need that.
The 7900XTX just has, ON PAPER (to be validated by independent reviewers) by far the best performance per $ ratio out there, for me it should be the main choice.
Ampere are stupid cheap in the USA, less so in Europe but if you have something like a 1080 and you can pick a cheap 3080...that's a really smart upgrade

Stupid cheap?

The 3080 is $733+. It launched in 2020 at $699.

At this point, post-pandemic, post crypto-cancer, into new gen, it should be selling at steep discounts to the 2020 price.

Lovelace prices are unbelievably stupid. Just ignore the this gen. There are awesome deals to be had on 2nd hand market atm. I got 3060TI for 285€, 3070TI 370€ and 6900XT for 450€.

I'd argue you avoid pc gaming entirely (or at least learn to be happy with older tech where the games still look and play amazing) and learn to accept that you're chasing nonsense features that are still, at best, in their first generation. Name all the games that support Ray Tracing 3 generations of videocards in. Ok, now name all the games where Ray Tracing is actually worth turning on in any meaningful way........and I don't mean some hacked shader implementation, I mean games where it was built-in from the ground up to be almost necessary to get the most out of the game. That's a damned small list....Metro? Cyberpunk?

Take a game like Forza Horizon 5....without RT, it looks amazing..and you can play it on a 1080Ti (!)...you can play Red Dead Redemption 2, you can play Cyberpunk 2077, etc......back to Forza: now they added AMD's scaling trickery so you can probably play it at even higher resolutions with the same older hardware. But they also released Ray Tracing options for it....I've watched videos, damned if I can barely see a difference. It's not the world lighting, its just reflections and to me, that's the problem. Devs focus on adding the SoundByte features without fixing issues that have persisted since the beginning of time, things like LOD or view-distance issues, things like cascading shadows, things that are actually distracting no matter if you're gaming on an AMD Vega or a 4090 overclocked on Liquid Nitrogen, that crap's still there in-game.

But hey man look at those flat real-time reflections in the side of my car!!!! =P

PC gaming has very rapidly become the Juice that ain't worth the Squeeze. Prices are insane and the software *just isn't worth it*....it's bad enough that the amazing graphical performance we're seeing today is based on visual scaling trickery anyhow, none of it is natively pushing pixels anymore, and I remember when scaling was a dirty word. Oh but today it's "AI" scaling so you know, that's different. AI is another hot buzzword right? AI PLUS Ray Tracing? OMG.....such tech! But making it worse is also the message that if you are NOT gaming at, I don't know, 144fps...you're some kind of loser. *sigh*. Weird Al was right, It's all about the Pentiums, baby.

</sour grapes mode> ;)

thelawnetStupid cheap?

The 3080 is $733+. It launched in 2020 at $699.

At this point, post-pandemic, post crypto-cancer, into new gen, it should be selling at steep discounts to the 2020 price.

second hand and some ressellers deals

MW2 100 fps on 4k for the 4080? I hope these are bad drivers because the 6900 XT does 99 fps on the same benchmark and settings.

fulldog90MW2 100 fps on 4k for the 4080? I hope these are bad drivers because the 6900 XT does 99 fps on the same benchmark and settings.

That game maybe an exception. A 6800XT gives 3090ti performance!

My 2080ti(1000€ in 2019) works just fine with all games maxed out at 4k, except 2 games, Skyrim fully modded(have to play 1440p), and of course, Crysis :)

sephiroth117You want a proper upgrade:

• Pick a cheap Ampere GPU
• Pick a 7900XTX
• If you can afford and pending Nvidia's response toward melting connectors, pick a 4090 for GPU performance supremacy

Each of this option COULD be justified IMO,
the 4090 is very expensive but the strongest GPU, in times where sli is kinda dead, that's the best GPU out there for people who need that.
The 7900XTX just has, ON PAPER (to be validated by independent reviewers) by far the best performance per $ ratio out there, for me it should be the main choice.
Ampere are stupid cheap in the USA, less so in Europe but if you have something like a 1080 and you can pick a cheap 3080...that's a really smart upgrade

Where does the 4080 stands ? Too expensive compared to the 7900XTX, not cheap enough to justify not taking a far better 4090 should you want to spend that much already. It's an absurd GPU price wise. Do not purchase it IMO, exercise patience..at least december for AMD.

wdym cheap ampere card? it is full 2 years old, and it's still pretty much at msrp

Tosswhat a garbage. Will be rekt by RX 7900 XTX

For the 1st time i hope so too lol. If the 7900 xtx performs like an rtx 4085 (if one existed) for $999 I'll go for AMD. Otherwise, if it's slower even by only 10% I'll stick to Nvidia. They may rape the piggy bank, but for high end 4k hardware they're still putting out the fastest toys . I just want to get to 4k + 120hz + ray tracing with decent high settings by the year's end - which is a stretch with today's hardware paper launches + scalpers ☠️.

btarunracceptable gains over the RTX 3090 Ti

From title: "Smokes the RTX 3090 Ti"

Nuanced... :D

bugI wouldn't call 4080 a mid-range card simply because Nvidia built the ridiculous 4090. To me, 4080 is still the proper high-end, while 4090 is "look what I can do, ma'" type of product.
But I can never justify $1,200 for a video card when a few years back for that money I was able to build not one, but two PCs for friends that weren't high on gaming. It just doesn't make sense to me.

RTX 4080 - AD103 - 379 sq. mm.
RTX 4090 - AD102 - 606 sq. mm.

How much more expensive is it to make AD102 and how much larger its die is? AD102 is 60% larger than AD103.

So, RTX 4080 is indeed mid-range. While "proper high-end" is yet to be released as RTX 4080 Ti with a further cut-down AD102.
Do you remember that RTX 4090 has only 16K out of more than 18K shaders active?

Chrispy_So many games, even AAA titles in 2022 don't have the art assets or model fidelity to really justify >1080p. All 4K/144Hz gaming does is expose the lower animation framerate of characters, highlight textures that the developer didn't bother upgrading for 4K, and generally exposing things that detract from the experience as much as the resolution boost improves it.

Here you are touching upon something I've been saying for years. Many top games today still have very low details on part of the scene. Typically characters are fairly high polygon count, but animates very badly, and surrounding objects are often very low detail, sometimes environments still have so low polygon count that I can make out the mesh of the triangles. At least to me this somehow "breaks" the experience, as my eyes are drawn to everything that stands out as "wrong".

As for higher framerates, this absolutely is a good thing which can enable a smoother gaming experience, but only if the game engine tick rate is high enough. If you have experienced that the "animation framerate" is too low, then this is a flaw of the game engine design. But this is the sort of thing you get when a game is designed with a tick rate of 60 Hz and you try to run it at 120+ FPS; you just get multiple identical frames.

RedelZaVednoLovelace prices are unbelievably stupid. Just ignore the this gen. There are awesome deals to be had on 2nd hand market atm. I got 3060TI for 285€, 3070TI 370€ and 6900XT for 450€.

That's why we need competition. If supply is good enough, we can expect prices to go down a bit. And don't be surprised if a Lovelace refresh offers really good value around the ~4070-4080 performance level.

The used market isn't a direct comparison, nor do everyone live in areas with thriving second hand markets. Lastly, considering mining I wouldn't even consider buying a used GPU.

I would buy a used GFX only from myself :D Because only in this case I would trust the seller and would know the real history and usage of the said GFX ;)

Bring on the 4080 Ti :cool: