I wish they would lower the price on the Q9650...

LOL Intel, looks like AMD is forcing your hand.:nutkick:
(coz we all know we'd be mortgaging our houses by now to buy a CPU if Intel had no competition.)
LOL, I can't believe a Q8400s costs the same as the Phenom II X4 955. At least Intel users will get bit of a break now.

Well since jumping on the Core i5 won't be rational until early next year, think I'll upgrade to a
9xxx S this time for the sake of VT which has a far better usage in Win7 .

Now price cuts for the Q9550?? Shame on you Intel SHAME ON YOU!!

::EDIT::

though saying that. the Q9550 is now roughly £170GBP compared to when i bought mine around £250GBP

core i3=core2, the socket for i5 will also have i7 chips for it, and the high end i7 socket will have....well i7's and tri chan ram....

i hope they would make the price much affordable.. :rolleyes:

inferKNOXLOL Intel, looks like AMD is forcing your hand.:nutkick:
(coz we all know we'd be mortgaging our houses by now to buy a CPU if Intel had no competition.)
LOL, I can't believe a Q8400s costs the same as the Phenom II X4 955. At least Intel users will get bit of a break now.

The "S" version processors are extremely overprices. But some people want to pay for the low wattage chips. Goes the other way around too, the Phenom II X4 905e is more than a Q9400...

newtekie1The "S" version processors are extremely overprices. But some people want to pay for the low wattage chips. Goes the other way around too, the Phenom II X4 905e is more than a Q9400...

Mines an 'S' spec - still cost me 250 :P

According to the PC Watch roadmap...

The Q9550/Q9650 won't get price cuts. A Q9505 will be released to replace the Q9400 and that's it.

pc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/pcw/docs/302/074/html/kaigai1.jpg.html

inferKNOXLOL Intel, looks like AMD is forcing your hand.:nutkick:
(coz we all know we'd be mortgaging our houses by now to buy a CPU if Intel had no competition.)
LOL, I can't believe a Q8400s costs the same as the Phenom II X4 955. At least Intel users will get bit of a break now.

No, I think it's more of a case of them trying to clear stock before LGA1156/P55 releases.

Cheaper Quads are nice, only problem with this cut is that most places have stopped selling Q9400 already, or Q9550 is already same price/cheaper.

However, I had a feeling that with the price drop stores might order them again and what do you know. Finnish importer has them with a reduced price already :)

Before price cut Q9400 & Q9550 201€/$285
After price cut Q9400 172€/$244

Now I finally have a Quad core upgrade plan, if not new, then ever cheaper used one :) (or stick with Duals)

Nice keep it coming...

E1500 L2 512KB 2.2GHz must run the same like E4300/E6300 1.8GHz with 2MB L2

Wile ENo, I think it's more of a case of them trying to clear stock before LGA1156/P55 releases.

I believe the same....like any company introducing a new line of products, they want to get rid of old product stock! I am sure there will be another price cut before the holidays.

newtekie1The "S" version processors are extremely overprices. But some people want to pay for the low wattage chips. Goes the other way around too, the Phenom II X4 905e is more than a Q9400...

Fair Enough.

Wile ENo, I think it's more of a case of them trying to clear stock before LGA1156/P55 releases.

tzitzibpI believe the same....like any company introducing a new line of products, they want to get rid of old product stock! I am sure there will be another price cut before the holidays.

Its almost certain that if Intel could, it would just make the new products have a higher price tag and it would keep progressing until the CPU's would cost more than a space shuttle. Thus they would clear their old stock, just by leaving it the same price, rofl!:roll:

inferKNOXIts almost certain that if Intel could, it would just make the new products have a higher price tag and it would keep progressing until the CPU's would cost more than a space shuttle. Thus they would clear their old stock, just by leaving it the same price, rofl!:roll:

Good thing AMD is around, then!!! :roll:

Cheaper celerons! I might just get one of them.

EDIT: BTW, would this effect the CPU's below the ones listed? Like the e1400, the e5200 etc..

inferKNOXIts almost certain that if Intel or AMD could, it they would just make the new products have a higher price tag and it would keep progressing until the CPU's would cost more than a space shuttle. Thus they would clear their old stock, just by leaving it the same price, rofl!:roll:

Fixed that for ya'

Don't kid yourself into believing that AMD wouldn't jack up prices if Intel wasn't here.

The sad thing about AMD is that when they have the lead, they sit on their hands. They had a wonderful oppertunity with K8, it gave them such a lead for close to a year. But they fumbled it. The released it too early without Dual-Channel support, and adding it in forced a socket change, and then they almost instantly dropped support for the old socket, angering 754 consumers. Then the move to DDR2 forced another socket change, and again they almost instantly dropped support for the old socket, angering 939 consumers. They have finally got it right, but it is already too late, the Core 2 has been dominating for too long. And in the time when AMD was in the lead, they did virtually nothing to improve themselve other than switch out memory controllers. It wasn't until the Core 2 came out that AMD said "Oh crap, we are screwed, we need to slap something together quick" and the buggy Phenom was the result, and they are still behind because for a good year they did nothing to improve. Intel on the other hand, has the lead, and obviously wants to keep it...

Sorry /RANT, it just annoys me that AMD can't fully compete, and Intel still charges insane prices on all the chips that AMD can't match.

FrickCheaper celerons! I might just get one of them.

EDIT: BTW, would this effect the CPU's below the ones listed? Like the e1400, the e5200 etc..

Sometimes, usually the lower chips will be forced into lower prices otherwise they won't sell.

newtekie1Fixed that for ya'

Don't kid yourself into believing that AMD wouldn't jack up prices if Intel wasn't here.

The sad thing about AMD is that when they have the lead, they sit on their hands. They had a wonderful oppertunity with K8, it gave them such a lead for close to a year. But they fumbled it. The released it too early without Dual-Channel support, and adding it in forced a socket change, and then they almost instantly dropped support for the old socket, angering 754 consumers. Then the move to DDR2 forced another socket change, and again they almost instantly dropped support for the old socket, angering 939 consumers. They have finally got it right, but it is already too late, the Core 2 has been dominating for too long. And in the time when AMD was in the lead, they did virtually nothing to improve themselve other than switch out memory controllers. It wasn't until the Core 2 came out that AMD said "Oh crap, we are screwed, we need to slap something together quick" and the buggy Phenom was the result, and they are still behind because for a good year they did nothing to improve. Intel on the other hand, has the lead, and obviously wants to keep it...

Sorry /RANT, it just annoys me that AMD can't fully compete, and Intel still charges insane prices on all the chips that AMD can't match.



Sometimes, usually the lower chips will be forced into lower prices otherwise they won't sell.

meh, AMD doesnt have to be the fastest on the block for me. my P2 955 suits me just fine for gaming and everything else and it was definitely cheap enough

you brought up good points about the socket changes but also keep in mind that AMD spent a lot of cash buying ATI which blew their wad for RnD for their CPUs

Fxmeh, AMD doesnt have to be the fastest on the block for me. my P2 955 suits me just fine for gaming and everything else and it was definitely cheap enough

you brought up good points about the socket changes but also keep in mind that AMD spent a lot of cash buying ATI which blew their wad for RnD for their CPUs

I never said anything about them needing to be the fastest on the block for people to buy them. But it annoys me that they can't at least come close to competing with Intel's highest end. Processors shouldn't cost $500+, and they wouldn't if AMD could actually compete.

Just look at the Q9550, which pretty much matches the 955. They both trade blows back and forth, and the Q9550 is priced at $219 right now at newegg, cheaper than the 955 and 945. While the Q9650 is $100 more expensive for a little speed bump. Why? Because AMD has nothing that can match it, so Intel can charge out the ass for it.

Buying ATi was a bad business move, it hurt AMD more than it helped. They were already hurting financially, so wasting money on a graphics card company in return for allowing your CPU company to fizzle out is a crappy business strategy.

they have never had as deep of pockets as Intel. dont forget that we are in a recession so that had a tremendous impact in addition to the merger

I cant blame them for wanting to be well rounded. they diversified and now have a complete platform. as the economy picks up I am confident their focus on their CPU line will improve

many have come and gone yet AMD still weathers the storm and is set to be better than ever. I am proud to support them with all of my purchases

newtekie1Fixed that for ya'

Don't kid yourself into believing that AMD wouldn't jack up prices if Intel wasn't here.

The sad thing about AMD is that when they have the lead, they sit on their hands. They had a wonderful oppertunity with K8, it gave them such a lead for close to a year. But they fumbled it. The released it too early without Dual-Channel support, and adding it in forced a socket change, and then they almost instantly dropped support for the old socket, angering 754 consumers. Then the move to DDR2 forced another socket change, and again they almost instantly dropped support for the old socket, angering 939 consumers. They have finally got it right, but it is already too late, the Core 2 has been dominating for too long. And in the time when AMD was in the lead, they did virtually nothing to improve themselve other than switch out memory controllers. It wasn't until the Core 2 came out that AMD said "Oh crap, we are screwed, we need to slap something together quick" and the buggy Phenom was the result, and they are still behind because for a good year they did nothing to improve. Intel on the other hand, has the lead, and obviously wants to keep it...

Sorry /RANT, it just annoys me that AMD can't fully compete, and Intel still charges insane prices on all the chips that AMD can't match.



Sometimes, usually the lower chips will be forced into lower prices otherwise they won't sell.

wrong, k8 always was planned to have 3 original sockets 940=server, 754 low end and laptop, 939 for mainstream and enthusiasts, the 940 got an FX chip to hold over till they had a stock of 939 chips ready to ship(the 939 are VERY close to the 940 chips but dont requier registered/ecc ram.)
Some thought AMD planned to use 940 as the server and workstation platform but they never did, they always planned to put out a consumer socket along side their server sockets.

as to sitting on their hands, this isnt exactly true, they had a k9 in dev BUT some exec's didnt like the fact that it was a radical redesign of the core that was RISC based, they scraped the project(and lost some of their better engineers in the process) and then had another group of people work on "enhancing" the k8 design, thats where phenom came from, It was a stop gap, and phenom2 Is an evolution on that stopgap, they hopefully get bulldozer out sooner then later, but for now the phenom2 is a decent chip for the price with what you save on cpu and a good/kickass board you can get a better videocard or more ram ;)

I know a good number of people who have left Intel for AMD in the past 2 years due to issues with cpu/chipset compatabiliy and other issues, none of them have told me they plan to go back, sure they mostly admit to loosing some perf in some apps and in most benches, but they gained in other uses and they also have had less issues.

really amd's problem is and always has been marketing, even with a less powerful product AMD could gain market share, the problem is that unlike intel, amd's marketing dept suck ass.

You need no more proof of how important marketing is then to look at how intel held onto market share with the p4/netburst when it sucked so horribly bad compared to the athlon cores/designs.

Fxthey have never had as deep of pockets as Intel. dont forget that we are in a recession so that had a tremendous impact in addition to the merger

I cant blame them for wanting to be well rounded. they diversified and now have a complete platform. as the economy picks up I am confident their focus on their CPU line will improve

many have come and gone yet AMD still weathers the storm and is set to be better than ever. I am proud to support them with all of my purchases

IF AMD was smart they would have the ati guys redesign CF just enought to make the intel CF license invalid, then not let intel have CF support on newer cards, without dual cards as an option intel would look less appealing to the people who benchmark for fun/profit.

If nvidia had been smart and not given intel any SLI support it could have been a way for amd and nVidia to squeeze intel, sure they could use x2 type cards, but alot of crazy enthusiasts would want to be able to use 2 of them or the smart ones wouldn't want to pay the premium for 2 chips on one card.

I personaly think intel needs a kick in the ass, they pushed laraby back to next year already.

MeecrobIF AMD was smart they would have the ati guys redesign CF just enought to make the intel CF license invalid, then not let intel have CF support on newer cards, without dual cards as an option intel would look less appealing to the people who benchmark for fun/profit.

They are smart enough to let that not happen, or they would lose business.

Fxthey have never had as deep of pockets as Intel. dont forget that we are in a recession so that had a tremendous impact in addition to the merger

I cant blame them for wanting to be well rounded. they diversified and now have a complete platform. as the economy picks up I am confident their focus on their CPU line will improve

many have come and gone yet AMD still weathers the storm and is set to be better than ever. I am proud to support them with all of my purchases

I agree. I'm glad to support them because Intel is about 40 times bigger, but they still manage to keep up with Intel. Sure, they may not be hitting the very top tiers now, but they're giving it a good try. Not only that, but nVidia is 30 times bigger and ATI still is right up there with them in performance.:rockout:
Give it time & they may just take the crown back.:p
Not only that, but some have been saying that truly a graphics processing CPU seems to be the best road. Look at Intel following suit & going for a Larabee. Some actually believe nVidia may be in big trouble because they can't fuse their GPU with any CPU, and nVidia has even started working on a CPU. So the AMD-ATI may not have been as daft a move as you may think newtekie1.:toast:

amd would loose business in the short term, but in the long term(6-12months) they would make more by focing people who want better bench scores to go with amd for the cpu if amd's videocards are ahead, if nvidias where ahead, and nvidia didnt allow SLI on newer intel chipsets, well AMD would still get more sales on cpu's going into nvidia based boards, Intels already cut nvidia out of the i3/i5/i7 chipset market so intel wouldnt have any dual card options if both amd and nv desided to take away their ability to do that, and most crazy benchers want 2 cards or more from my experiance.

not saying they wouldnt loose some money in the short term, but it wouldnt be as large an ammount as you may think, sales of CF and SLI setups arent as big a deal to amd as they are to intel and nvidia because amd really is more targeted at selling the low and mid-midhigh platforms, intel wants to get i7 sales up(and i3/5 as well) since that will be how they make alot of money, chipsets+cpu's all at a huge profit margin!!!

admit it, intel would look less appealing to gamers and benchers if you had no way to run sli or cf like all the benches show kicking ass ;)