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You seem to have little understanding about the price points, or are shopping at places with largely marked up prices! The 295 retails for about $500 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130508 ) and the preformance difference is a fair bit more than 10 %, your looking at closer to 17-20 % , but to someone who like AMD I spose thats "about 10%" . Also given AMD's track record on it's high end cards, they will continue to have supply problems, as their fab/ manufacture facility's are separate, it saved them money, and their buisiness, but it's hurting their ability to fabricate and deliver their hardware. Also eyefinity is a pricey impractical gimmic!

Did you make an account named after that terrible excuse for a forum just to slander AMD? I have to agree that AMD is having supply issues, but where's Fermi? The last I checked, Fermi was a sawed down version of an older card.
 
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Im sorry i have to say this, i will not bite my tongue and i am a fanboy!! I AM DAMMIT! i loves my ati, but if nvidia released a card that was resonable and fast i would buy it over ati, its all about the money, Now this thing that is bothering me, is oh wow the gtx295 is 15% faster then the 5870 with a whole NOTHER GPU!!!!!. lol seriosly, DUH! mind boggling.

Of course it's going to be faster, it's a next gen card, and it has ZOMFG DX11, which is rather pointless, as the vast majority of games are still using DX9, let alone DX 10, and then your left with a card that supports a standard that's possibly 2 years from mass adoption, that's hardly a game changing feature! Then you run into eyefinity, that everyone is wetting their pants about, most of the people the cards are marketed to will buy the 5850, maybe 2, and won't have the 800 + dollars to fork out for for 3 monitors to make this gimmic work.
 
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Did you make an account named after that terrible excuse for a forum just to slander AMD? I have to agree that AMD is having supply issues, but where's Fermi? The last I checked, Fermi was a sawed down version of an older card.

Slander AMD ? , sense when is stating the facts slander ? It's okay if you want to see it that way just to keep your reality from shattering, that's the road most people who like AMD choose. Second, I chose this name, because it's the name I use in several forums, and it's the name I fold under. LOL fermi's architecture is all speculation, stay for anyone who is actually working with it. The company I work for sells test handelers ( http://www.siliconfareast.com/testeqpt2.htm ) to has contracts with AMD, Intel, NVDIA, ect. and let me tell you that from my 20 + years of experience with this matter. A company does not have you build a machine to a whole new manufacturing standard for a "sawed down" rebuild of a current architecture / fab process. But what do I know.
 
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Slander AMD ? , sense when is stating the facts slander ? It's okay if you want to see it that way just to keep your reality from shattering, that's the road most people who like AMD choose. Second, I chose this name, because it's the name I use in several forums, and it's the name I fold under. LOL fermi's architecture is all speculation, stay for anyone who is actually working with it. The company I work for sells test handelers ( http://www.siliconfareast.com/testeqpt2.htm ) to has contracts with AMD, Intel, NVDIA, ect. and let me tell you that from my 20 + years of experience with this matter. A company does not have you build a machine to a whole new manufacturing standard for a "sawed down" rebuild of a current architecture / fab process. But what do I know.

Yu obviesly dont now wat I referreng to, oh weel.

oh and. please no refer me being AMD fanboy i not. i buy best price/performen card i find not look @ company name but you may b different
 
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bla bla... bl bla bla bla not a direct quote but lots of crap was cut out. Summary:
  • Reviewers can't do their jobs, they're doing it WRONG. I'd do it better.
  • Absolutely baseless response on microstuttering. Everyone should know that BiNGE has had i7 platforms since last november. He started with a RIIE. He's bottlenecking his equipment people. He is noob.
  • Making statements on currency is stupid BiNGE. You're stupid. Stupid comments you make are just that. Stupid.
  • I am an expert on enthusiast/gamer devices and how 90% of them throttle under heavy heat loads. lol I don't know if I'm joking or not, but it looks good on paper.
  • BiNGE says mean things about me, he's mean. Stupid too. Wolf and his GPU tests are also "heresay" because Wolf is an layman, his observations and opinions are stupid. Stupid just like BiNGE.


  • Correct. Despite all of what I wrote you're willing to cut the "fat" and pick at me for calling you imperialpain as a small ha ha. It makes me feel better knowing that you are digging so deep to put complete crap on your plate of dung points. You don't have to label yourself as a fanboy, but if you want to assume I was speaking to you directly. Feel free. People, like yourself (that's right you're included this time), have various interpretations of what's written, and it's my failure as a poster that I can not keep you from lumping yourself in with the rest of the trash.

    And then to the issue of heat - sure, 90% of all newer hardware will throttle themself if temps get out of control. But, heat is relative to each users individual case setup.
    Wrong and you have no proof to back-up this claim. You took what I said out of context again, but whatever you're just reaching deep to demonize.

    I find some people have a hard time conceptualizing and forming educated opinions especially when it's scary to estimate. Even if I am wrong in my projection of 13-25% worse than 5870s in crossfire it says something that I've thought about it and shared the idea with the community. It's not poison, I didn't bring up Fermi, and I stated my expectations based on GOOD REASON. You can call it crap. Hell I'm sure Wolf appreciates the sentiment.


    Cheers Kid. I should have expected as much from this community and kept the fist comment a little less terse. Apparently being an adult is reserved for staff members. Anyone with an opinion or sense of humor is labelled a child. :rolleyes: I gotta add it makes it harder to buy a product when a few sharp tongued people make its discussion a bad memory.
 

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Correct. Despite all of what I wrote you're willing to cut the "fat" and pick at me for calling you imperialpain as a small ha ha. It makes me feel better knowing that you are digging so deep to put complete crap on your plate of dung points. You don't have to label yourself as a fanboy, but if you want to assume I was speaking to you directly. Feel free. People, like yourself (that's right you're included this time), have various interpretations of what's written, and it's my failure as a poster that I can not keep you from lumping yourself in with the rest of the trash.

I'm digging deep, eh?

It's nice how we've gone from a complete debate over actual points of arguement, to silly name calling and bickering . . . mind you, I'm not the one who threw the first stone.

So says he who has proven by his own account that his interpretation is correct, even after having been proven wrong. So, I guess then, you yourself are also lumping yourself in with the trash, eh?

Opinions are like assholes - everyone has one, and they all stink. Sadly, the ones that smell the worst are those based off of conjecture rather than factual information. Again, show me the hard factual information, not an "opinion" based off of testing hardware that is not yet available.

Wrong and you have no proof to back-up this claim. You took what I said out of context again, but whatever you're just reaching deep to demonize.

No proof that a case setup doesn't directly affect the operating temperature of one's hardware?!

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

That's good man, you should be a tech comedian!

I find some people have a hard time conceptualizing and forming educated opinions especially when it's scary to estimate. Even if I am wrong in my projection of 13-25% worse than 5870s in crossfire it says something that I've thought about it and shared the idea with the community. It's not poison, I didn't bring up Fermi, and I stated my expectations based on GOOD REASON. You can call it crap. Hell I'm sure Wolf appreciates the sentiment.

So, you're that 100% definite in your fuddled opinion that you're not willing to take me up on my offer, eh? I have no fear of setting my rig up and benching a single 4870x2 against two 4870s in crossfire, with all hardware at stock clocks.

But, I'm guessing that since you've been proven wrong, you're afraid of my results nailing that coffin shut.

And regarding Wolf's "hypothesis" - I never directly stated it was crap . . . that's your interpretation, kid. :toast:

Cheers Kid. I should have expected as much from this community and kept the fist comment a little less terse. Apparently being an adult is reserved for staff members. Anyone with an opinion or sense of humor is labelled a child. :rolleyes: I gotta add it makes it harder to buy a product when a few sharp tongued people make its discussion a bad memory.

Well, if such discussion leaves a bad taste in your mouth . . . perhaps one should be a little more tactful in future discussions . . . as well as be a little more careful as to what "information" one wants to stand behind. I guess that'd be a little easier to swallow if one was more willing to act like an adult, instead of figuring it's only reserved for staff memembers around here. It's always funny how some users throw out comments, and then try to pass it off later as it only being "a joke," if maturity were factored in, then you'd know for sure that throwing out such comments is not the smartest of ideas when a discussion is starting to become a bit more lively.

But, I guess by your standards, I'm not allowed to have any opinion of my own, and that your opinion is the only correct one around here, eh?

As of that, I'm done dealing with you and your "opinions" in this thread. Take a bow, you're the second user who's ever made any of my *ignore* lists! :toast:
 

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Hell I'm glad. I hope you eventually re-read everything you and I have discussed. I think you'll notice we both missed a few words here and there. I had no idea you were talking about temperatures with respect to case/setup. To me there is only the fact that ATI's new cards have a thermal limit and then the cards will throttle. Nothing more, nothing less.

Any test done can yield some information if done half correctly. I trust what wolf found, and I trust myself. You can pick apart and choose which words you want to split hairs over, but I honestly tried to understand you posts as a single idea with multiple points. In a spat it looks like we both like the smell of our own farts, but even I'm willing to admit when my sh!t stinks. My sh!t stinks right now, but I feel entitled to defend myself. I remember being told to ignore people who lack the skills to debate, and as tiring as it is to deal with people who think in absolutes and can't admit fault in comprehension it's important to try anyway. I'm not saying you lack these skills directly. If you find that you've misunderstood anything in this thread then you'll be the one to realize it, and as for me I'll do my best to understand your point of view. I only argue that ATI plans to do nothing innovative. Some time last year they published a plan of attack of sorts. The plan basically showed how they plan to fill in the gaps of performance with multi-gpu solutions and then match the multi gpu solution with a single card solution in a smaller process. They intended to show the difference between themselves and the competition. I can only assume that this means their multi-gpu solutions aren't meant to be anything special. Real innovation happened when they made the 5870 despite it being a double-up on the previous generation. I say this because the heat/power specs are so little for something so powerful on a single gpu. In no way am I impressed with the performance or the price. Whatever gave you the impression that I was being hypocritical is probably a misunderstanding. As for your hopes of a superior player in the 5970 I wish you the best. Whether you get the card or not it would be nice for you to be right on the money with whatever it is you think might happen.

You're the second person who's added me to an "ignore" list. Maybe it's fate ;)
 

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jumping to conclusions based on another user's unfounded testing with questionable methods

:( I trust my testing more than any review site, it also follows suit on another users testing (bobzilla) within the margin of error.

Hell I'm sure Wolf appreciates the sentiment.

:) I do, thank you very much.

And regarding Wolf's "hypothesis" - I never directly stated it was crap . . . that's your interpretation, kid. :toast:

:wtf: maybe not crap, but you kinda undermined it...

I trust what wolf found, and I trust myself.

Thanks Binge, there no point in me tainting results, and past experience has shown me when you clock cards of equal architecture the same, it is *roughly* a very good test, and will show pretty darn accurate results.

I can hardly be called a fanboy for either, I love my GPU's of any make, shape or color :laugh: and heres another spanner to throw in the works, I had micro-stuttering with my two 4870's in CF, just goes to show every users experience will be slightly different.
 
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wolf um... have you noticed that Binge is sorta piggy-backing on you to troll in the thread and people are trying to counter him w/o stepping on your toes, but he's directing them at you coz you're the one with credibility?
There's a simple solution that I found even saved some kittens guys; DFTT.
 

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I have credibility?! awwwwwwwwww :toast:
 
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I don't know why there is sou much hype around the 5800 series in the end they are still fighting with the GTXs 285 and GTXs 295 all the 5800 Series can't kill those cards why all the fuzz its not like i don't like ATI i think they are doin a good job but belive me the GT300 lol will kill everthing...
 
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This card is close to 13" long by the way.

How could you possibly know that???? Unless you work for AMD or have a reliable source that is telling you that. Sounds like more misinformation to me :shadedshu:shadedshu:shadedshu
 
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This thread has turned out to be an ultimate fail. Do people seriously get worked up over this crap??? It is a video card. To each their own. If the Nvidia people want to spend the extra money to say they have Nvidia let them. I have owned a total of one Nvidia card and it didn't perform all that well for me.

Since then I have owned ATI cards and while they have not been perfect; I have been happy with their performance for the price. Also, if nvidia ever gets off the "holier than thou" seat and starts thinking about the consumer once again; I will then give them a little respect. I applaud them for putting out some very nice cards, but they still haven't ever cared about decent prices for their cards. Their needs to be better competition overall in my opinion. Just having two major video card companies is not that great in the long run. I wish Matrox and Voodoo were still in the game, but alas they aren't.

All you fanboi's should be encouraging more competition because that will help with pricing and also with inovation.
 
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How could you possibly know that???? Unless you work for AMD or have a reliable source that is telling you that. Sounds like more misinformation to me :shadedshu:shadedshu:shadedshu

And here are the pictures of the card itself in an Antec 1200. The card itself is 13.5 inches long, and has problems fitting even a full sized tower case like the Antec 1200

Here

i think that's the 5970
i don't know if that's a "reliable" source but yeah
 
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I don't know why there is sou much hype around the 5800 series in the end they are still fighting with the GTXs 285 and GTXs 295 all the 5800 Series can't kill those cards why all the fuzz its not like i don't like ATI i think they are doin a good job but belive me the GT300 lol will kill everthing...
:laugh: The reason there's the hype is because all the 5800s outperform the GTX285, which means the 5900s will outperform the GTX295. Read some of W1zz's reviews and see.;)
How could you possibly know that???? Unless you work for AMD or have a reliable source that is telling you that. Sounds like more misinformation to me :shadedshu:shadedshu:shadedshu
I too read in multiple places that it is about 30cm long. El_Mayo's post if further proof of that. Google will reveal quite a few fairly trustable sources that attest to it.
 
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How long is that card? Seems enormouse :twitch:
 

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How could you possibly know that???? Unless you work for AMD or have a reliable source that is telling you that. Sounds like more misinformation to me :shadedshu:shadedshu:shadedshu

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=1611218&postcount=1937


@[H] - I thought you would find it interesting that I am usually able to find GTX295s for under $470 including tax and shipping. Here's an example: http://www.unitedoffice.com/ttechnote.asp?part_no=VCGGTX295SXPB&vid=356&src=F

Just last year I got a few people GTX280s for $200. I'm sorry this post may smell green to some people, but before it gets all nasty I helped a few members here get Diamond 5870s for $360. Fitseries likes to help people find deals too. Newegg isn't the only place to find electronics.
 
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I too read in multiple places that it is about 30cm long. El_Mayo's post if further proof of that. Google will reveal quite a few fairly trustable sources that attest to it.
Where's my motherfucking thanks then? :roll:

How long is that card? Seems enormouse :twitch:
see MY earlier post :D
13.5 inches (first time i heard that.. i made penis jokes too)
 
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Where's my motherfucking thanks then? :roll:


see MY earlier post :D
13.5 inches (first time i heard that.. i made penis jokes too)

Ha ha ha, yeah runnin17, where's his thanks?!:laugh:
I 'added' to your imperial with a metric figure, tee hee hee!:D

EDIT: that's fair enough Binge, but we're talking about launch for now with the 5900s. More appropriate figures would be the launch figures for those cards you're talking about.
 

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Ha ha ha, yeah runnin17, where's his thanks?!:laugh:
I 'added' to your imperial with a metric figure, tee hee hee!:D

EDIT: that's fair enough Binge, but we're talking about launch for now with the 5900s. More appropriate figures would be the launch figures for those cards you're talking about.

I appreciate you consider it fair. The price/perf issue is really based on opinion. Last year I didn't care how much it cost to get the highest performance, so just glancing over the figures wasn't hard. In this economy I've gotta say this is a bit much for me. My reflex to respond to the price was based on the original post. The OP places the card at $550 or higher if we consider that the recommended resale is the same in euro as USD. I can't imagine that ATI would shaft Europe that badly, so I'm inclined to believe the card is at least $600 in reference to the original post. This may not be the case and I think it will be higher which is too high. Speculation is allowed here.
 
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wahdangun

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i really can't wait for wizz to review this monster, 13,5" it will break new record.

do anyone know when this car get launched?
 
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i really can't wait for wizz to review this monster, 13,5" it will break new record.

Long-card is long... :eek:

If this gets launched by December I'll have to cut away some hdd bays to get it to fit for sure.
 
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wahdangun

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yeah, i'm really surprised too, 13,5' it's damm to long


maybe it's good for people that want longer e-pen
 

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I hope this card is worth the upgrade from a GTX285 :slap:
 
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