AMD Cuts Down Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Production As Demand Drops Like a Rock

[phanbuey]

In my opinion, the pricing is a problem, there is no doubt about it. But the high launch price was also true for Ryzen 5000 Series. The 500 series chipset wasn’t cheap at launch, and with shortages, memory prices were also on the high side. The wider issue is that economy is tanking and cost of living skyrocketing, every company will feel the pain. It’s not just an AMD problem because the likes of Apple, Nvidia and Intel, etc, will likely also see demand plunge as well.

You can't really compare 5000 series... that series was in its own league. This one isn't. The 4090 is in its own league and sold out...

 

[[XC] Oj101]

I own an ecom store in South Africa. 7950X sales have accounted for nearly 80% of AM5 sales. That should say a lot.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

IMO the biggest problem is motherboard pricing.
Having just about everything above the $250 mark, especially from AMD who got known for offering great value with all the $80 B3x/B4x/B5x boards, is a very tough pill to swallow.

Of course, Raptor Lake being so close and Zen4 X3D having been announced to release within a handful of months isn't doing them any favors.
But IMO those motherboards are just way too expensive.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

IMO the biggest problem is motherboard pricing.
Having just about everything above the $250 mark, especially from AMD who got known for offering great value with all the $80 B3x/B4x/B5x boards, is a very tough pill to swallow.

The Bxxx AM4 boards usually go for at least around $120 when not NOS. You would have been lucky to get an A320 and A520 for $80 when brand new. (At least over here)

 

[watzupken]

well AMD stock is tanking, and Intel stock is rising, and I was going to buy AMD before the integrated graphics, but now am buying Raptor Lake, so I guess Intel's model of giving the customer options instead of forcing one way or the other is working. who knew business was so easy?

I feel it is normal for the stock to drop when the economy is not well. There is clearly more downside for AMD because their stock price have been increasing significantly over the years. Intel share prices on the other hand have taken a beating over the years because they started losing business and profits. In any case, the overall macroeconomic health is looking very bad, and Intel will not be immune to it.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I feel it is normal for the stock to drop when the economy is not well.

I think I saw that happen at a Wal-Mart back in 2009. Possibly the same thing at Best Buy in the early-2010s.

 

[RedBear]

They will not lower the prices unless they know that they can eat the cost. Zen 4, just like 12 & 13 series from Intel, needs to convince the people somehow that they need/have to update their entire platforms. In case of AMD this means:
- expensive cpu
- expensive motherboard
- expensive ram
Sometimes it also means stepping up the cooling system.

This combined with inflation raging across the world might be the reason why people are not eager to jump on the next best thing.

I would also add the strong dollar, prices in Euros are getting even more extravagant compared to the past, 5600X was ~300€ at launch, 7600X is ~360€.

 

[spnidel]

You know you have the option to not upgrade right?

I do; your point being? does having that option preclude the ability to be disappointed by a new generation of CPUs? or should understanding that I don't have to upgrade somehow change my opinion of the very high entry cost?

this "you don't have to upgrade" cope doesn't change the fact that the performance uplift is minimal this generation and is only worth it to those that have super outdated systems running pre-AM4 machines or DDR3 setups or those that don't have a PC at all

performance-wise, the jump from 3000 to 5000 is more significant than 5000 to 7000, and that's VERY disappointing, considering that these chips use DDR5

granted the performance uplift is still better than when all AMD had to offer was faildozer, but still...

 

[MarcusTaz]

Lisa Su if you read this: Integrated graphics wasn't the answer, Intel already has that market, and you have APU's, you should have simply made a budget APU and marketed that to businesses directly. We want the 7800X3D. We would have all given you our money if you had done this on launch day. Saving it for next year was a mistake, because many of us have the upgrade itch and will probably go with Raptor Lake if the price is right at the 6 and 8 core model ranges (the 95 celsius thing will turn away casual users). I personally want a F model Intel, because integrated graphics have given me trouble in high refresh gaming in the past.

Sigh. six figure employees these companies have, and it takes some history major to give them the answer.

With all due respect I believe you're in a small minority of those who are itching for that upgrade. You do make many valid points but I believe the issue lies much deeper. With today's market I just don't think we'll see the massive sales pre and during pandemic with people working from home who needed PC's. I am extremely happy with my 5900x and RTX 3090 FE. Having to upgrade an entirely new EXPENSIVE Mobo, EXPENSIVE RAM just to use the latest and greatest CPU is a No Bueno for the masses, just like DLSS3.0 will not sell massive amounts of RTX 4 cards because we know the fuel behind that was the ETH boom which is now dead, as is mining crypto in general. The reality is with today's market the chip sectors will all suffer bigtime and while I support you upgrading again I do believe you are a small minority of enthusiast's. Again all due respect.

 

[Vayra86]

You can't really compare 5000 series... that series was in its own league. This one isn't. The 4090 is in its own league and sold out...

Its not sold out.

 

[mechtech]

Hmmmm. I thought wafer contracts were usually bulk with X amount agreed upon??

Also I wonder why they didn’t have mem contrôlée support both ddr4/5 like the old phenomII had for ddr2/3??

Also a lack of nonx parts doesn’t help selection. Gen1 launched with nonx parts.

 

[watzupken]

IMO the biggest problem is motherboard pricing.
Having just about everything above the $250 mark, especially from AMD who got known for offering great value with all the $80 B3x/B4x/B5x boards, is a very tough pill to swallow.

Of course, Raptor Lake being so close and Zen4 X3D having been announced to release within a handful of months isn't doing them any favors.
But IMO those motherboards are just way too expensive.

Agree that the pricing isn’t great. But what if AMD will support AM5 longer than Intel, like they did with AM4? I have a sense the reason why the motherboards are so expensive is because of the supposed backward compatibility. It is a double edged sword. If you are a motherboard maker and you know that there may be little need for people to buy a new board as frequently, what would you do? You either make sure the board fails on time, or you price in the lost of sale. Board makers made the mistake with AM4 when they dipped their toes with AMD Ryzen when introducing the 300 and 400 series chipsets at low prices, only to have to support them to Zen 3, which is 4 generations of CPUs, and also APUs.

 

[mechtech]

I would also add the strong dollar, prices in Euros are getting even more extravagant compared to the past, 5600X was ~300€ at launch, 7600X is ~360€.

Yes. Pricing everything in USD hurts buying power of rest of world since currencies all float differently. 2 months ago can$ was 1.25, now it’s 1.39 so price for even old gen is going up because of the exchange rate.

 

[Dave65]

Really happy with 5950x and 6800xt, does all i need it to do for games and work..
I was going to upgrade as soon as the new came out but them MB prices, fuck em..

 

[kapone32]

The Bxxx AM4 boards usually go for at least around $120 when not NOS. You would have been lucky to get an A320 and A520 for $80 when brand new. (At least over here)

In Canada the cheapest AM4 boards were as low as $60. A520 was a rip off as there was not a lot of supply and B550 boards that rivalled them in price but destroyed them in flexibility.

 

[sephiroth117]

They release a great CPU but with a STEEP upgrade price.

1. AM5 motherboards are too expensive
2. Mandatory DDR5 means one needs to upgrade both the Mobo and the RAM.
3. AM5 motherboards are TOO expensive..
4. AM4 coolers are mostly compatible..yay but not enough

The biggest market is gaming:
People who game will upgrade to a better GPU in priority. People who already own AM4 will choose AM4 for gaming. A 5800X3D with a low price for instance.

Now in France a 5800X3D is 500EUR.
5600X and 5800X are really priced well, 5950 is 600+ it's too expensive IMO.
So for a new powerful build in Europe it's not totally crazy to pick AM5 with a 7600X for instance, ONLY for productivity and games that are CPU intensive like flight simulator, otherwise 5600X/5800X is plenty and faaar cheaper.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Is it AMD or the board vendors? The CPUs are pricey but the boards are the mitigating factor in the equation. Especially when AM4 boards are so inexpensive in comparison. The CPUs are impressive but not at $500 Canadian for a B650. Even DDR5 is not that expensive today.

Think distribution channel, although in all fairness, the board makers upped their internal price they sell into the channel by 10-15% or more since Computex. When the channel and retailers then add their profit on top...
The prices are expected to go down, but it might take longer than expected.

 

[MarcusTaz]

When the 5800x3D beats/equals the 7950x is most gaming benchmarks and AMD themselves already teased 3D cache versions of zen4 why would anyone jump to upgrade right now when the entire platform is so overpriced?

They kind of did this to themselves really

Fact!!!

 

[watzupken]

You can't really compare 5000 series... that series was in its own league. This one isn't. The 4090 is in its own league and sold out...

When you said sold out, do you know how many units were sold? You need to remember, the RTX 4090 is a halo product, that not many people will buy in the lifetime of the product. The production will also be low because that is normal demand. The RTX 3090 was a different story because of scalping, mining, and a desperation from gamers to snap up anything that they can find.

Also, while it is true that Ryzen 5000 was the fastest CPU then, but honestly, if you get one of the Ryzen 7000 CPU now, it is still factually still one of the fastest. Perhaps Raptor Lake may change that, but it still doesn’t change the fact that Ryzen 7000 is still a very fast CPU. Intel can slap 16 or 24 or 32 E-cores in there. While the helped bump up multithreaded performance, the E-cores spamming don’t do anything meaningful for you if you are using the chip for gaming. They just look great when showing you numbers. Even in light us case where only E-cores are being used, I generally don’t think you need anything more than 4 cores for light usage. Make no mistake, I am using an Alder Lake CPU now, so please don’t assume I am defending AMD because I am some AMD fanboy. I have outgrown this fanboyism and learned to buy what I need and best value for money.

 

[kapone32]

Really happy with 5950x and 6800xt, does all i need it to do for games and work..
I was going to upgrade as soon as the new came out but them MB prices, fuck em..

You read my mind. But I got a 5800X3D. I imagine there are many people like me that have no interest in the 4090 but am looking forward to 7000 from AMD. The thing about AM5 from what I have seen is it does work your GPU harder than 5000 or 12th Gen. One of the issues is exactly the performance of 6000 series cards, in a world of Variable Refresh Rate still makes you smile as there is no Game that feels lacking with it enabled.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Ofcourse this would happen.

Everything about this platform is expensive, and the choices are PLENTY but expensive, too plenty and too expensive. Reduce your chipsets, make them 3 like before, A---- and B---- and X---- Why add an E to motherboards? fuckin motherboards of all things.

Reduce your CPUs by a 100$, tell your partners to make motherboards that can run the 7900X without issues at ~150$, and pray that ram prices continue to drop.

The non E SKUs were made to keep cost down, but it clearly backfired and the E SKUs ended up priced at stupid levels for no good reason.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

Stupid motherboards pricing, AM5's MSI mortar is more than double the B550.
AMD should have pushed for more reasonable motherboard prices, a 5,10% more would be acceptable but 100%+ is plain stupidity.

 

[fancucker]

Sadly...not only is AM5 a dud but there are no genuine competitors at the midrange based on the raptor lake leaks. And it's ironic watching everyone support AMD's ridiculous claim that a 90C operating temp is normal, just so they can't be embarrassed by lacklustre frequency and performance figures. This is pretty much game set and match for Intel this generation.

 

[TheLostSwede]

The AM5 motherboards are a massive and blatant rip off.

Have you ever been involved in making such a product and know the costs involved? I have and as much as I agree that they're overpriced right now, much of that isn't on the board makers.

 

[Punkenjoy]

AMD went just a bit to hard on milking on this gen. I bet the motherboard cost is also due to some expensive chipsets. Nothing they can fix but that did a lot of damage to their reputation.


They should reduce price of both CPU and Motherboard. I also think the next best thing they should do before Zen 4 X3D is a Highly clock 1 CCD for gamers, the real 5800x that boost as high or higher than the 5950x.

Higher core counts is still not required and 8 core with SMT it still plenty enough as long as they are fast enough.

But the thing is they want to have the higher core count to bench better in most benchmark. For that it need to clock higher than the single CCD sku.