No Overclocking and Lower TGP for NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 D Edition for China

[AleksandarK]

NVIDIA is preparing to launch the GeForce RTX 4090 D, or "Dragon" edition, designed explicitly for China. Circumventing the US export rules of GPUs that could potentially be used for AI acceleration, the GeForce RTX 4090 D is reportedly cutting back on overclocking as a feature. According to BenchLife, the AD102-250 GPU used in the RTX 4090 D will be a stranger to overclocking, as the card will not support it, possibly being disabled by firmware and/or physically in the die. The information from @Zed__Wang suggests that the Dragon version will be running at 2280 MHz base frequency, higher than the 2235 MHz of AD102-300 found in the regular RTX 4090, and 2520 MHz boost, matching the regular version.

Interestingly, the RTX 4090 D for China will also feature a slightly lower Total Graphics Power (TGP) of 425 Watts, down from the 450 Watts of the regular model. With memory configuration appearing to be the same, this new China-specific model will most likely perform within a few percent of the original design. Higher base frequency probably indicates a lack of a few CUDA cores to comply with the US export regulation policy and serve the Chinese GPU market. The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 D is scheduled for rollout in January 2024 in China, which is just a few weeks away.



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[Space Lynx]

The edition for China? Are you sure about that? hehehe

Sounds like the USA government is about to get a bunch of free 4090's lol

US government warns Nvidia against circumventing China export restriction by redesigning chips

Speaking at the Reagan National Defense Forum in Simi Valley, California, on Saturday (via BNN Bloomberg), Raimondo said her department needed more funding to address China's "rapidly...

www.techspot.com

"If you redesign a chip around a particular cut line, I'm going to control it the very next day"​

 

[Chomiq]

If it can be used for AI it is bypassing sanctions, Nvidia's about to get slammed hard.

 

[Solaris17]

I am really curious how the limits are imposed. Since pretty much every 4090 can be cross flashed with anothers bios. If this is a driver only limit, then the performance will be fixed in the amount of time it takes nvflash to complete which is like 24 seconds.

 

[thesmokingman]

How douchey can one company be???

 

[nguyen]

I am really curious how the limits are imposed. Since pretty much every 4090 can be cross flashed with anothers bios. If this is a driver only limit, then the performance will be fixed in the amount of time it takes nvflash to complete which is like 24 seconds.

Back in the Turing days, non OC chips variant cannot be cross flash with OC chips BIOS.
I had the 2080 Ti non OC variant

 

[Space Lynx]

Back in the Turing days, non OC chips variant cannot be cross flash with OC chips BIOS.
I had the 2080 Ti non OC variant

I don't think the government national defense lady is going to care one bit about any of that. She will seize them, already said as much. If Nvidia ships them there will be massive fines. Who knows.

 

[R0H1T]

Nvidia's about to get slammed hard.

Nope, when it comes to big bucks Big Brother don't mind

 

[Double-Click]

The edition for China? Are you sure about that? hehehe

Sounds like the USA government is about to get a bunch of free 4090's lol

US government warns Nvidia against circumventing China export restriction by redesigning chips

Speaking at the Reagan National Defense Forum in Simi Valley, California, on Saturday (via BNN Bloomberg), Raimondo said her department needed more funding to address China's "rapidly...

www.techspot.com

"If you redesign a chip around a particular cut line, I'm going to control it the very next day"​

Damn straight. I hope the US Secretary of Commerce tears him seven new ones.

 

[damric]

Is the current U.S. administration such bullheaded warmongers that they would start WWIII over some graphics cards that will be obsolete in a couple years?

yeah probably

 

[thesmokingman]

I am really curious how the limits are imposed. Since pretty much every 4090 can be cross flashed with anothers bios. If this is a driver only limit, then the performance will be fixed in the amount of time it takes nvflash to complete which is like 24 seconds.

The things Nvidia is doing is not much different than ghost guns. The practical logistics doesn't matter. The IC's will get torn out and recycled into drones, accelerators of our friendliest foes.

 

[Double-Click]

Is the current U.S. administration such bullheaded warmongers that they would start WWIII over some graphics cards that will be obsolete in a couple years?

yeah probably

This isn't going to start WWIII, what could start that is going on in eastern Europe, the Middle East and potentially Taiwan.
That's another subject entirely though, so I'll refrain from saying anything else there.

What I will say is that the US has every right to withhold its tech, especially from its largest adversary/competitor.
Companies like Nvidia who try and subvert that should be made an example of.

 

[robert3892]

The edition for China? Are you sure about that? hehehe

Sounds like the USA government is about to get a bunch of free 4090's lol

US government warns Nvidia against circumventing China export restriction by redesigning chips

Speaking at the Reagan National Defense Forum in Simi Valley, California, on Saturday (via BNN Bloomberg), Raimondo said her department needed more funding to address China's "rapidly...

www.techspot.com

"If you redesign a chip around a particular cut line, I'm going to control it the very next day"​

The Commerce Secretary will ban these as soon as NVIDIA tries to ship them to China.

 

[Vya Domus]

If it can be used for AI it is bypassing sanctions, Nvidia's about to get slammed hard.

I don't think so. The people in charge have proven to either willingly turn a blind eye or just being straight up idiots who do not understand how any of this works when it comes down to these types of regulations.

 

[R0H1T]

What I will say is that the US has every right to withhold its tech, especially from it's largest adversary/competitor.

Kissinger says hi

Companies like Nvidia who try and subvert that should be made an example of.

I wonder if you can say that again with a straight face given US policies for nearly 8 decades post the WWII, not to mention that war criminal got a Nobel Peace Prize

What the US (& other nations) has shown time & again is that the greenback trumps humanity all the time, every time!

 

[thesmokingman]

Kissinger says hi

I wonder if you can say that again with a straight face given US policies for nearly 8 decades post the WWII, not to mention that war criminal got a Nobel Peace Prize

What the US (& other nations) has shown time & again is that the greenback trumps humanity all the time, every time!

facepalm

US sanctions Chinese firms for Russia, Iran drone parts - Asia Times China

Three Hong Kong trading firms were sanctioned by the United States for having allegedly shipped components to Iran and Russia to make drones

asiatimes.com

Three Hong Kong trading firms have been sanctioned by the United States for allegedly shipping components to Iran and Russia for making drones used for attacking Ukraine.


In August last year, Russia fired Iranian-made Shahed-136 suicide drones at Ukrainian troops. By early this year, Russia planned to produce 6,000 Iranian drones at its own facility with Tehran’s support.


It took one year for the US Commerce Department’s Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) to identify and sanction the three Hong Kong firms involved supplying the drone parts.


The BIS said Monday (September 25) it had sanctioned 28 entities, including 11 in China, five in Russia, five in Pakistan and six in Finland, Oman, Germany and the United Arab Emirates (UAE).


Among them, four are based in Hong Kong. Asia Pacific Links allegedly shipped US items to Russia while Speed Business Trading (HK) and Sunrising Logistics (HK) supplied US items to Iran. Well Fair International (Hong Kong) shipped US products for Pakistan’s unsafeguarded nuclear activities.


The Nanjing Institute of Astronomical Optics and Technology was accused of procuring US items for Chinese military research...

So many US based headlines on this that it makes the contrarian posters... like really dude??

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/04/politics/iranian-drone-parts-13-us-companies-ukraine-russia/index.html

 

[R0H1T]

And yet Nvidia still exports them! Maybe you can also explain why the US can force Huwaei chief's daughter under House arrest(?) just across the Great lakes in a "friendly" country but JHH is roaming free? Let's not pretend that the others don't see what this really is about!

 

[thesmokingman]

And yet Nvidia still exports them! Maybe you can also explain why the US can force Huwaei chief's daughter under House arrest(?) just across the Great lakes in a friendly country yet JHH is roaming free? Let's not pretend that the others don't see what this really is about!

Stick to the facts in this thread.

 

[R0H1T]

They are facts ~ tell me how your "facepalm" works against facts that led to this situation in the first place!

 

[thesmokingman]

They are facts ~ tell me how your "facepalm" works against facts that led to this situation in the first place!

When you got jack, quick bring something else up and demand answers!

 

[R0H1T]

Nah more like hey we'll pretend who makes a trillion dollars out of China, but since they don't want us to make another trillion we'll just try to push them into the stone age!

Spoiler

Got better excuses than that?

 

[b1k3rdude]

How douchey can one company be???

Thats being very polite, Jenson is a cnut. nVidia have always been complete arseholes, just do a search for all the sh*t they have pulled since the Riva TNT....

 

[SirEpicWin]

The last thing we need is more computational power for anything AI related for the CCP, f*** Nvidia for this.

 

[Dr. Dro]

The last thing we need is more computational power for anything AI related for the CCP, f*** Nvidia for this.

The CCP would acquire cards regardless if they had any spurious reasons to do so. But perhaps the one to blame here is not Nvidia, who has a product and as a business, is interested in selling it, but the US Government's restrictions not being restrictive enough. If the product meets the allowed performance threshold and does not exceed the amount that has been defined by the order, it doesn't qualify as circumventing sanctions. They are simply releasing a product that meets the criteria defined by the government itself.

I'm sure AMD isn't allowed to sell Radeon Instinct MI300X to Chinese customers either, and supply them with a product that performs accordingly to allowed performance thresholds to the Chinese market instead. And it's not even anything as serious as the Hygon Dhyana was back when Zen was new.

AMD–Chinese joint venture - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thats being very polite, Jenson is a cnut. nVidia have always been complete arseholes, just do a search for all the sh*t they have pulled since the Riva TNT....

Speaking of grudges from the 1990's, I'm sure you refuse to buy Radeon cards to this day because ATI cheated at Quake III.

 

[Deleted member 182555]

I want a 4090D!!!