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[Bill_Bright]

Most prolific PSU vendors who aren’t OEMs (like Corsair) are not simply “rebranding”. They are actively working with OEMs to engineer their PSUs and often have specific changes and tweaks done to the platforms in order to extract more performance or efficiency.

Exactly!!!!

For sure - regardless the industry or product - some rebranding is just that. The company buys a "generic" brand from a maker, slaps their company label on it, then resell it under their brand. We see this all the time with things like USB hubs. In those cases, the OEMs are calling the shots in terms of design.

But many companies - especially those that sell many different products - don't have the manufacturing facilities for every product they sell. So instead, they design the product "in house" then "outsource" the manufacturing of the product to another manufacturer (the OEM) who does have those necessary facilities. The design (and responsibility to ensure compliance with that design) remains with the brand - not the OEM.

Of course labor costs is a big factor too - and why many OEM manufacturers are located in China, Mexico and other countries where labor is cheap.

Look at graphics cards. AMD and NVIDIA dictate much of the design and manufacturing but the brands add their own tweaks and extras to make it their own. Motherboards are often the same. So are monitor screen panels.

 

[Dr. Dro]

And again, none of this has anything to do with your initial statement.

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My initial statement is that it's a festering corpse of a company operated by a skeleton crew. There's nothing to suggest that there is any product under active R&D at EVGA today. There have been no new product releases. No updates to existing products have been provided, regardless of their importance. Their online store now redirects to Amazon. Only their RMA contact form seems to remain. Most global websites are abandoned and feel like a time machine snapshot.

None of this is a lie.

 

[Bill_Bright]

There's nothing to suggest that there is any product under active R&D at EVGA today.

Why would you expect there to be? Industries don't typically announce what they have in active R&D because it tells their competitors what they are working on. In fact, those typically are closely guarded secrets and competitors will often engage in "corporate espionage" - sometimes to extreme illegal limits - just to learn or even steal plans and trade secrets of those competitors.

No updates to existing products have been provided

None of this is a lie.

Well, it is not all true, however.

To illustrate, if you visit their Drivers and BIOS download page, and navigate to the GeForce 30 Series Family of Graphics Cards, then under Windows 11, you can clearly see there have been monthly driver updates from 8/10/2021 up through and including 3/5/2024.

There is no doubt that it "appears" EVGA is in financial trouble. But the only concrete news I have seen is from 8 months ago in July 2023. Everything else since is just rumors and supposition - and the constant viral parroting of those same rumors and suppositions.

Their decision to stop making graphics cards, estimated to be 80% of their business, certainly has had a HUGE impact on their revenue stream. But I have seen nothing to suggest they are on their death bed yet either.

It is not uncommon for companies to stretch themselves too thin by producing too many products, more than they can manage and maintain standards. So they restructure, downsize and concentrate on producing a small handful of top-tier products and [hopefully] end up thriving. I am hoping that's what EVGA ends up doing, and I hope it is with their PSUs.

Surely, with that income gone, they are going through some major restructuring - from the top down. And I sure would like to see more lights on in their factories. But I say we give them the benefit of the doubt and wait and see what happens before hammering that last nail in their coffin.

 

[Onasi]

To illustrate, if you visit their Drivers and BIOS download page, and navigate to the GeForce 30 Series Family of Graphics Cards, then under Windows 11, you can clearly see there have been monthly driver updates from 8/10/2021 up through and including 3/5/2024.

Is this a “well, technically” gotcha? Come on, mate, you know as well as everyone here that EVGA isn’t in any way tied to the driver development for the cards. That’s all NV. All they have is someone updating the site with the latest from what NV posts. That’s obviously not what Dro meant. Nothing that would have required any resources on part of EVGA was updated and that’s the point here.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Is this a “well, technically” gotcha?

Maybe but the point was to illustrate there is still some life and some updating going on at EVGA. They could have easily just redirected all driver update inquiries to NV or whoever. But they didn't.

I say give them the benefit of the doubt because at least they are not playing dirty like HP. HP actually sends a signal through your network to your printing device to disable your printing device if you disenroll from their automatic ink refill program - even though you still have plenty of ink remaining in your current cartridges. That's just dirty. Why not just let your ink run out?

 

[Dr. Dro]

Well, it is not all true, however.

To illustrate, if you visit their Drivers and BIOS download page, and navigate to the GeForce 30 Series Family of Graphics Cards, then under Windows 11, you can clearly see there have been monthly driver updates from 8/10/2021 up through and including 3/5/2024.

Come on, Bill. They just repost that from Nvidia. EVGA doesn't have to lift a finger to maintain Nvidia's drivers. The only effort, provided that it's not a bot doing it, is literally going on geforce.com/drivers and getting the link to the driver. Well within the capabilities of whatever skeleton crew left behind. EVGA's own products, however, have not been tended to in a very long time. The audio cards haven't received drivers in ~4 years. Networking, closer if not over a decade. Motherboards' BIOS? Not even their Z790s got updated for 14th Gen. There's just no one to do it.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Come on, Bill.

Come on, Dr. Dro. I already replied to Onasi to the same point. Yes, NV develops the driver but someone at EVGA is updating and maintaining the site and not just redirecting folks to NV - illustrating the point that there is still some life there.

I was clear that it appears EVGA is in financial troubles. But there is no evidence they are dead - yet.

Please read my posts in this thread. NO WHERE have I been defending them for what they did with these cables. I have been critical all along - even though I have been, and still am a fan of their PSUs.

All I am saying - yet again - is wait and see what happens before condemning them.

 

[freeagent]

The owner of a company that I used to work for said the "company" had enough to pay for wages, material, rent, everything for 5 years without making a part. That is pretty much what evga said at one point. I have not seen anything new out of them since the 30 series.. except an exodus of staff. To me they are just burning money until there is none. I loved them too, maybe I still do.. but things are not looking good.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Gone but not forgotten for sure.

 

[RTX4070TI]

So much porn lost.

 

[Bill_Bright]

To me they are just burning money until there is none.

That certainly is possible but I sure would question why anyone would want to run a business that way. Why not attempt to at least sell your assets and cut your losses and move on to other endeavors. I realize they have warranty obligations. But if they have facilities, equipment, patents, copyrights, trade marks etc. they could be worth selling to another company, and still support those customers.

Sadly, we may never know what is really going on.

 

[delshay]

This is baffling because it's obviously done on purpose, otherwise they'd just use the default layout, just can't understand why.

That would come under negligent or malicious on the company. Take you're pick which you think it falls under, given the company would have known pinout has changed.

 

[Shrek]

otherwise they'd just use the default layout

Therein lies the issue, there is no default layout for the connectors on the power supply.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Therein lies the issue, there is no default layout for the connectors on the power supply.

Right!

Sadly, once again, someone is stepping in without bothering to read through the thread to learn what is happening and what has already been said - over and over and over again.

But just to reiterate - again - there is no industry standard (default layout) for the PSU side of modular cables!

This is why they are NOT interchangeable with other supplies - even within the same brand - and now, apparently, even with units with the same model number.

 

[Princess Garnet]

If someone purchased a power supply with 10 years warranty in 2015 and it failed today, EVGA wouldn't have an equal product to replace it with and the one you'd get back is very likely to be completely different - and with the way things are going, suppose someone did this in 2021, what are the realistic prospects this company will be around by 2031? Slim at best I'd say.

This is probably the biggest reason why I would hesitate to buy an EVGA PSU today.

I have no qualms with their product quality or reliability; that is, I think some of them are high enough quality, but they definitely seem to have fallen from where they were a decade ago at their peak. For a part you expect might last a decade though, give or take, what's EVGA going to be like in 3, 5, 7, or 10+ years from now if something comes up with the PSU in that time frame? I mean, that's a chance with any company but EVGA is already in a spot where they appear to be winding down operations. They claimed they're going to keep enough parts on hand for RMAs, but it's not a reassuring look.

My own 750 G2 was sent in and replaced with a G5. I'm mixed on that. It was nine years later though. From what I found, the new one is still supposedly good, just not top tier good like the original one I had. I imagine a new one may have some advantages over a nine year used one in some regards though. If it's actually a severe downgrade, maybe I'll be less opposed to replacing it now that my issues may have returned (still don't think it's the PSU, but oh well).

 

[R-T-B]

This is probably the biggest reason why I would hesitate to buy an EVGA PSU today.

I have no qualms with their product quality or reliability; that is, I think some of them are high enough quality, but they definitely seem to have fallen from where they were a decade ago at their peak. For a part you expect might last a decade though, give or take, what's EVGA going to be like in 3, 5, 7, or 10+ years from now if something comes up with the PSU in that time frame? I mean, that's a chance with any company but EVGA is already in a spot where they appear to be winding down operations. They claimed they're going to keep enough parts on hand for RMAs, but it's not a reassuring look.

My own 750 G2 was sent in and replaced with a G5. I'm mixed on that. It was nine years later though. From what I found, the new one is still supposedly good, just not top tier good like the original one I had. I imagine a new one may have some advantages over a nine year used one in some regards though. If it's actually a severe downgrade, maybe I'll be less opposed to replacing it now that my issues may have returned (still don't think it's the PSU, but oh well).

Yeah, I'm dreading if I ever have to send my EVGA 850W T2 in, it's a good Titanium rated Superflower LeadEx build and I don't know what they'd replace it with. It's nearly 8 years old now though.

It's just powering a low priority media system for now so hopefully low stress on it.

 

[HTC]

This is why they are NOT interchangeable with other supplies - even within the same brand - and now, apparently, even with units with the same model number.

And THIS is the issue: it's perfectly OK for it to not be interchangeable between DIFFERENT models of the same brand, BUT NOT with units of THE SAME model number.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Come on, Dr. Dro. I already replied to Onasi to the same point. Yes, NV develops the driver but someone at EVGA is updating and maintaining the site and not just redirecting folks to NV - illustrating the point that there is still some life there.

I was clear that it appears EVGA is in financial troubles. But there is no evidence they are dead - yet.

Please read my posts in this thread. NO WHERE have I been defending them for what they did with these cables. I have been critical all along - even though I have been, and still am a fan of their PSUs.

All I am saying - yet again - is wait and see what happens before condemning them.

I see, I get what you mean, but the consideration is that unless operations resume and we see new graphics cards (I would SO purchase an EVGA Classified/Kingpin "8900 XTX" if it ever came to be a real thing), peripherals and products, I don't see this being sustainable in the medium or long term.

The situation looks bad, to the point that you can argue that it's unwise to do business with them. There's no stability, who will honor a warranty claim for a product whose manufacturer no longer exists? Who will provide spare parts and service? Amongst other chief concerns that may or may not be solved with more money and effort than it's worth through the legal system...

This is probably the biggest reason why I would hesitate to buy an EVGA PSU today.

I have no qualms with their product quality or reliability; that is, I think some of them are high enough quality, but they definitely seem to have fallen from where they were a decade ago at their peak. For a part you expect might last a decade though, give or take, what's EVGA going to be like in 3, 5, 7, or 10+ years from now if something comes up with the PSU in that time frame? I mean, that's a chance with any company but EVGA is already in a spot where they appear to be winding down operations. They claimed they're going to keep enough parts on hand for RMAs, but it's not a reassuring look.

My own 750 G2 was sent in and replaced with a G5. I'm mixed on that. It was nine years later though. From what I found, the new one is still supposedly good, just not top tier good like the original one I had. I imagine a new one may have some advantages over a nine year used one in some regards though. If it's actually a severe downgrade, maybe I'll be less opposed to replacing it now that my issues may have returned (still don't think it's the PSU, but oh well).

In my case, I acquired my 1300 G2 in 2017 and only started using it in 2020 when I built my former Ryzen build. Despite its age, it's technically a pretty "new" PSU. I hope it lasts for a long time, anything on this level is beyond expensive right now and it's always a drag to spend a lot of money on a product that otherwise brings you zero benefit other than making your bloody computer run

 

[remixedcat]

I could see how this would happen. Especially when they RMA the PSU and do not want the cables back. Just the PSU (this is the policy)

But who has 22Tb and doesn't back up?

what if that WAS the backup server?

also let's say evga had to switch suppliers or whatever... all they had to do was rebrand the changes as a "v2" or mark 2 or whatever nomenclature and then issue a notice that v1 and v2 are incompatible and that's what they should have done... but they kept quiet and didn't inform anyone

This SHOULD NEVER happen: LABEL IT something different, to indicate there's @ least ONE difference.



MAJOR FAULT ... but it wouldn't be required if they simply NAMED the changed product DIFFERENTLY (a simple letter or number after a "-" @ the end would be enough): different name means SOMETHING is different.


I work @ a ball bearing factory and EVERY component change means a new name for the final product, even if just a different letter.

For example:

- type of spheres used - metal, ceramic
- type of grease used - MANY different types
- type of cages used (what keeps the spheres separated) - of plastic, steal, brass, etc
- slack tolerance size (difference between the size of the inner and outer rings from nominal values, in microns) - C0 (normal), C2 (smaller), C3 (wide), C4 (wider) and C5 (widest)
- type of shields (what protects the bearing from contamination) - of plastic or metal, only 1 side or both sides
- type of packaging (how they are sold to client) - individual boxes or in a card / plastic box with X bearings

And ALL OF THIS for ONE TYPE of bearing, and we make SEVERAL DOZEN different types of bearings.

yep see my other post on this!

 

[ThrashZone]

The owner of a company that I used to work for said the "company" had enough to pay for wages, material, rent, everything for 5 years without making a part. That is pretty much what evga said at one point. I have not seen anything new out of them since the 30 series.. except an exodus of staff. To me they are just burning money until there is none. I loved them too, maybe I still do.. but things are not looking good.

Hi,
Nvidia terms could of neutered evga "nondisclosure" for several years from modifying/ selling amd gpu's.
Might be why the owner is holding on to the company and not out and out shutting it down/ selling.
I wouldn't put it past nv to have terms like this.

 

[ty_ger]

That certainly is possible but I sure would question why anyone would want to run a business that way. Why not attempt to at least sell your assets and cut your losses and move on to other endeavors. I realize they have warranty obligations. But if they have facilities, equipment, patents, copyrights, trade marks etc. they could be worth selling to another company, and still support those customers.

Sadly, we may never know what is really going on.

The owner of the company said that he is going to retire soon and he will not sell the company. There is no mystery that the company is winding down and burning any money reserves necessary to maintain the company long enough satisfy the majority of their customer's warranty period. They even offered to reimburse customers' extended warranties in order to take those off the list.
It's commendable that EVGA is sticking around long enough to support the majority of their customers with at least a bare minimum of support, but don't fool yourself that there is any great comeback going on behind the scenes. Straight from the owner of EVGA's mouth, what freeagent said is what is happening. Unless you hear an update from the owner saying he changed his mind, it is silly to expect anything different.

 

[Bill_Bright]

And THIS is the issue: it's perfectly OK for it to not be interchangeable between DIFFERENT models of the same brand, BUT NOT with units of THE SAME model number.

I more or less agree - but in this case, it was with same model but different revision numbers. So I see that as an acceptable exception - as long as all the other main PSU electrical specs were the same.

This definitely is not unique to power supplies. If you need to change the controller card on a hard drive, it must be the same model and revision number. Otherwise, it may mean they were made by different OEMs, in different factories, and even in different countries - even though they have the same model number.

Motherboards often have different revision numbers too where the latest may have a different BIOS chipset, or different sound device.

Regardless, if the different PSUs with different revision numbers did not have interchangeable cables, then clearly the replacement PSU should have come with new cables too. And that is the main point here. It didn't - with the inexcusable excuse that EVGA "forgot" to include them.

 

[maxfly]

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My initial statement is that it's a festering corpse of a company operated by a skeleton crew. There's nothing to suggest that there is any product under active R&D at EVGA today. There have been no new product releases. No updates to existing products have been provided, regardless of their importance. Their online store now redirects to Amazon. Only their RMA contact form seems to remain. Most global websites are abandoned and feel like a time machine snapshot.

None of this is a lie.

Again, none of your blathering on about the current situation has anything to do with your initial statement and the lies you tried to perpetrate.
As a reminder, being that it seems you have forgotten...

It's like I mentioned, the G2/P2/T2 (best PSUs that EVGA sold) were based off a single very high quality platform before they decided to sell garbage power supplies from multiple sources and OEMs with little regard for consistency or quality choosing instead to develop an overreliance on their "world-class RMA", which, to their credit, is what earned them their great reputation.

I've seen so many trust their systems to inadequate and even hazardous PSUs simply because of the EVGA brand. I can't forgive them for that, even if end of the day they're a business and people are responsible for their own choices

Nothing you stated about this apparent sudden turn to garbage level PSUs is fact despite what you may have tried to convince yourself of. You've given zero proof of their PSUs having shown any loss of quality other than your own misguided personal disdain. Yet you continue to spout off about these "facts" that have nothing to do with their power supplies. You claim that because they started selling PSUs from "numerous sources and OEMs" that their PSUs became garbage. Oh and lets not forget how your soooo concerned with all of these people running their inadequate and hazardous PSUs...lmao. So dramatic! Yeah, that's pure nonsense. EVGA has always outsourced their PSUs. The very same power supplies that every other member of this forum suggested to any and all noobs that would listen over and over again (including yourself) for years. But now, because they are apparently going out of business (according to the "bash EVGA club")they're long venerated PSUs are have immediately become garbage (what a joke)because your butthurt for some odd reason? I can only assume they're dropping Nvidia is the cause of your pain? Not that you would admit it either way. But no, sorry it doesn't work that way. You don't get to make things up, try to pass it off as fact and not get called out. Cough up some actual legitimate facts that back up your garbage, inadequate, hazardous PSU claims. LMAO, as if.

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Does that clarify things for you? Are we quite clear as to what it is we're talking about now? No more misconceptions? You've made it crystal clear that you have an obvious agenda to stick to. As such I look forward to more of the same in response.

 

[ty_ger]

Maxfly, are you serious?

EVGA's power supply, without a shadow of a doubt, has declined in quality.

 

[R-T-B]

Maxfly, are you serious?

EVGA's power supply, without a shadow of a doubt, has declined in quality.

I agree, but there is a difference between "decline from excellence" and "garbage quality"

I think the hyperbole there does deserve to be called out, as much as this RMA screwup does.