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At the moment it is 43 degree celsius, definitely no difference than before.

My last word is; Ignore the PCH temp.
 
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As we welcome autumn in the northern hemisphere, it appears that the pch temperature decreases logarithmically after mounting copper shims. It currently is 39 degrees celsius while the ambient temperature barely reaches up to 27 degrees celsius.
Still, I don't think it would worth that much of work but I wanted to share for those who also wants to make copper modification.
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"Logarithmically?" Ummm, you might want to look up the definition of that word. My math skills are bit rusty but, IIRC, if starting at 43°, a logarithmic decrease would take it down to around 4.3°C (as in 4 point 3) - pretty close to freezing.

You say it is now 39°C with an ambient of 27°C. Do you remember what your ambient was when you were seeing 43°C?
 
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"Logarithmically?" Ummm, you might want to look up the definition of that word. My math skills are bit rusty but, IIRC, if starting at 43°, a logarithmic decrease would take it down to around 4.3°C (as in 4 point 3) - pretty close to freezing.

You say it is now 39°C with an ambient of 27°C. Do you remember what your ambient was when you were seeing 43°C?
If it is a base-10 log, yes. Common but not universal.

I expect as a non-native speaker, OP intended to say exponential.
 
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Logically that copper shim insert makes no sense, and your -4C improvement is mainly due to lower ambient temperature so in the end its just a placebo effect.
Think of it this way: you got a die to cool, and you decide to add 2 layers of thermal goo (paste) instead of 1, and the main aluminum heatspreader dooesnt have a direct die contact anymore. The reason why you didnt see any drastic temperature change is because the x570s chipset is only ~11w (fyi "pch" is actually an intel term for chipset, and in intel lappies it always runs hot because its positioned on the cpu package itself).
 
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These did work (2006):

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Thermaltake, all copper with little fan:
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I used them in the past, around 2006.
 
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"Logarithmically?" Ummm, you might want to look up the definition of that word. My math skills are bit rusty but, IIRC, if starting at 43°, a logarithmic decrease would take it down to around 4.3°C (as in 4 point 3) - pretty close to freezing.

You say it is now 39°C with an ambient of 27°C. Do you remember what your ambient was when you were seeing 43°C?
Well first of all I'm sorry for the late reply, I should've missed the notification.

I may have used the term logarithmic in a wrong way, what I intended to say was even little ambient temperature reduction causes better cooling for the chipset.

"pch" is actually an intel term for chipset, and in intel lappies it always runs hot because its positioned on the cpu package itself
As far as I know, after sandy bridge architecture, Intel also moved their north bridge away from the CPU.
 
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even little ambient temperature reduction causes better cooling for the chipset.
For everything inside the case, not just the chipset.
Incorrect. To be fair, I'd have assumed the same. But, a Shim is basically and effectively a DIY-IHS
Not necessarily true.

The best, most efficient transfer of heat occurs with direct, metal to metal contact between the heat sink and the device generating the heat. Adding anything - regardless how efficient it is at conducting heat - adversely impacts that desired transfer of heat away from the heat sensitive/generating device.

Unfortunately, Man has yet to learn how to create perfection 100% of the time. So there will always be some impurities in the raw materials and imperfections (microscopic pits and valleys) in the mating surfaces of the device and the heatsink. TIM (thermal interface material) is used to fill those microscopic pits and valleys to push out, and keep out any insulating air. Any excess TIM is actually in the way and counterproductive to that heat transfer process.

In a "perfect" world, you would never want to use shims. Shims are often needed to increase the space between two objects so they don't come in contact with each other or to compensate for some other spacing or interference problem.

So a shim is basically ANOTHER imperfect conduit, an extra layer of materials between the mating surfaces the heat if forced to move through before it can escape into the air flow of the case, then out the exhaust vent. And note the more material that heat must move through, the longer it takes to get exhausted out the case. More time is not good.

Shims (and TIM) may be necessary but they certainly are not the ideal solution.
 
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Update: Since copper shim may increase the risk of fracture of the chipset, I replace the shim with a 1mm thickness Gelid Extreme, but this time, tightly screwed the heatsink. There is no difference at all.
 

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Update: Since copper shim may increase the risk of fracture of the chipset, I replace the shim with a 1mm thickness Gelid Extreme, but this time, tightly screwed the heatsink. There is no difference at all.

Makes sense, since you're limited by the capabilities of the heatsink more than the thermal conductivity between PCH and heatsink.

Resorting to crazy mods over this would be like insisting on using liquid metal on an Intel stock cooler.
 
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Makes sense, since you're limited by the capabilities of the heatsink more than the thermal conductivity between PCH and heatsink
Exactly this.
 

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Well I meant the copper shim should be so thick that there is only a very small amount of space for thermal grease to fill up.

There should be no space, thermal grease is to fill pits not gaps.
 
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There should be no space, thermal grease is to fill pits not gaps.
Agreed. But to be more specific, "microscopic" pits. The mating surfaces should look perfectly smooth and flat to the human eye.
 

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Just move some air around.

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I've got this very board, and just stuck a Noctua A9 on the heatsink with VHB tape - instant 10-15 degree temp reduction.

I tried new pads, but I found that 1 mm was too thin; had to find 1.25 mm (which, luckily, were on Ali Express); since I'm using a custom loop, I might just stick a Heatkiller NSB rev 3 on it, next time I get the board out.
 
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lol.
i was surprised that OP didnt care for replacing amd cooler with tower/aio first.
i mean i do like tinkering, but unless i have spare time, i prefer to tinker for what gets me the most in return.
 
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I've got this very board, and just stuck a Noctua A9 on the heatsink with VHB tape - instant 10-15 degree temp reduction.

I tried new pads, but I found that 1 mm was too thin; had to find 1.25 mm (which, luckily, were on Ali Express); since I'm using a custom loop, I might just stick a Heatkiller NSB rev 3 on it, next time I get the board out.
Do you have any photos please?
Anyway I reached out MSI and they said the pads thickness should be 1mm.

i was surprised that OP didnt care for replacing amd cooler with tower/aio first.
To be honest AMD stock cooler too much aesthetic for me, that's why I couldn't replace it.
 
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sure looks fine, but you have invested above avg when it comes to hw, except for the cpu cooler, and based on other parts you have,
i would have expected at least an aio.
even a simple tower cooler like from arctic would improve not just cpu but very likely with gpu/mb temps as well,
as air gets at least expelled towards rear fan..
 
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I use 30x30x2.0mm minus pad 8 on my Intel system chipset.

Works very well,..

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Edit: My bad, I diden't notice how old this thread is when I posted,.. looks like I posted back in Aug, 2023 also,.. :oops:
 
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Just move some air around.

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I need a compressed air cooler...so I can move some air around...

Here it is the RTX6090 cooler prototype...a vortex tube cooler computer heatsink cooler mixed with an air tower cooler, utilizing compressed air to move air around, exchanging and removing hot air with cold air...innovative cutting edge AI technology cooler...looks like a real pita to install hope you have tiny hands...
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