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ORIGIN EULA ? new update user agreement

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ORIGIN EULA ? new update user agreement??

What's this now all about?
JeezusHHH

Are these companies ever going to stop with the BS?
I don't like the new verbage in this agreement at all.

I won't be playing BF3 again, unless they back it off.
 
So what did they add? or change?
 
what did they change?
 
OMG! You have to scroll down now before you click "I agree"!.........THE TYRANNY!
 
I didnt read it, just updated quickly to pew pew pew.
 
Here is the interesting part/change...

Kreij said:
So what did they add? or change?
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They can now (if you agree to install the update) snoop your entire computer including ALL software and hardware and forward that information to whoever they choose.

"You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services,"

The Section 3 passage reads: "EA reserves the right to monitor communications on the Application and disclose any information EA deems necessary to (i) ensure your compliance with this License; (ii) satisfy any applicable law, regulation or legal process; (iii) protect the rights, property and interests of EA, its employees or the public. EA also reserves the right to edit, refuse to transfer and/or to remove any information or materials, in whole or in part, in EA's sole discretion."

Here is the interesting part/change...

The EULA goes on to note that if users do not agree to EA's collection of this type of data, they should not install the application. It also says that this data is being used in accordance with EA's privacy policy, which among other statements, states that, "EA will never share your personal information with third parties without your consent."
As with most legal language, the extent to which EA is able to use this EULA to monitor users is open to interpretation. However, the EULA is markedly different from EA's standard PC software agreement. For EA's standard PC EULA, the "Consent to Use of Data" section is more narrowly confined to "technical and related information that identifies your computer (including an Internet Protocol Address and hardware identification), operating system and application software and peripheral hardware."

The addition of the "software, software usage" verbiage could be interpreted as including the ability to monitor any installed program, regardless of its provenance. EA's Origin EULA also adds the right for the publisher to share whatever it finds with anyone it chooses.


The EULA goes on to note that if users do not agree to EA's collection of this type of data, they should not install the application. It also says that this data is being used in accordance with EA's privacy policy, which among other statements, states that, "EA will never share your personal information with third parties without your consent." However, it is unclear how EA's privacy policy is compatible with the rights reserved in Section 3 of Origin's EULA, if at all.


I don't think it's fair or right to stop me from playing the game if I don't agree.
I bought 2 copies of the base game at $60.00 ea. and 1 upgrade Premium package for myself that cost another ...I forget how much right now...maybe $70.00.

There goes almost $200.00 out the window for me.
I'm not a blind sheep, I'm not going to just follow the crowd like most people will, this is over the top in my opinion and stinks.
I don't LIKE being FORCED against my will.
It's principal to me.
And I am sorry if I offend anyone here with my rant, it's just me being me, I can't help it.
You guys do as you will and have fun.
 
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I wouldn't let that stop me from playing

This is what I might do, Install windows on and empty drive with just bf3 installed.

This way you F**K them at there own game.
 
yeah, it's a PC, and you have nothing to hide, unless doing illegal things. Who cares who knows what software you got? Or whatever other sites you visited(obtainable via ISP records)...nothing to fear there.
 
cadaveca said:
yeah, it's a PC, and you have nothing to hide, unless doing illegal things. Who cares who knows what software you got? Or whatever other sites you visited(obtainable via ISP records)...nothing to fear there.
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Who cares? I care...
It's not a matter of what I have on here that may or may not be legal, it's a matter of personal rights, laws, my freedom.

See my last sentence in my post above.
I'm done with Origin.
 
Raw said:
Who cares? I care...
It's not a matter of what I have on here that may or may not be legal, it's a matter of personal rights, laws, my freedom.

See my last sentence in my post above.
I'm done with Origin.
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FYI there is no "right" for you to use a computer. Its a privilege. Like driving.
 
There is a "right" to privacy in your home and effects.
 
Raw said:
Really? Where were YOU educated?
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Please show me in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution that guarantees you the right to use a computer.

DannibusX said:
There is a "right" to privacy in your home and effects.
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Patriot Act fixed that. Go ahead and get pulled over by a cop and tell him he can't look in the trunk. Anyway its a computer. Nothing is "private". If you ever thought that your stupid as hell. I keep NOTHING on it.
 
TheMailMan78 said:
Anyway its a computer. Nothing is "private". If you ever thought that your stupid as hell. I keep NOTHING on it.
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Private and computer certainly do not belong in the same sentence but I see no reason Origin to go this far with the new user agreement. Next we will be agreeing to let them remotely install and remove software from our computers as they choose :shadedshu
 
TheMailMan78 said:
Please show me in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution that guarantees you the right to use a computer.

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Ok, here we go, I'll do it just for you MM, cause I try to like you a little bit.
I usually get PAID to teach but I'll make an exception this time.

EFFECTS

Federal Law

Although the word "privacy" is actually never used in the text of the United States Constitution,[20] there are Constitutional limits to the government's intrusion into individuals' right to privacy. This is true even when pursuing a public purpose such as exercising police powers or passing legislation. The Constitution, however, only protects against state actors. Invasions of privacy by individuals can only be remedied under previous court decisions.

The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States ensures that "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

The First Amendment protects the right to free assembly, broadening privacy rights. The Ninth Amendment declares that the fact a right is not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution does not mean that the government can infringe on that right. The Supreme Court recognized the Fourteenth Amendment as providing a substantive due process right to privacy. This was first recognized by several Supreme Court Justices in Griswold v. Connecticut, a 1965 decision protecting a married couple's rights to contraception. It was recognized again in 1973 Roe v. Wade which invoked the right to privacy to protect a woman's right to an abortion.


then MM goes on to ask me in a post below...
Do I even know what rights are?

Naw...probably not MM, as I might have just a public education as you suggest (I do not), and we all know what THAT means, right?

We are discussing "Substantive" rights here and as I know it that means the ability to control your own life and property. They are the core elements of freedom.

Your substantive rights include your right to: (1) life, liberty, and property, (2) freedom of speech and press, (3) right to trial by jury, (4) freedom to travel, (5) freedom of religion, (6) freedom to educate your children as you see fit, (7) right to own and run your own business, (8) right to defend yourself including the right to own guns, and (9) right not to be spied on by government.

The Declaration of Independence expresses this vision well:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

Good enough for you?
I think it's time to drop this discussion as far as you and I go, you go ahead and agree to their terms and play your game if it means that much to you. As for me, I don't think I will.
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Raw said:
Ok, here we go, I'll do it just for you MM, cause I try to like you a little bit.
I usually get PAID to teach but I'll make an exception this time.

EFFECTS

Federal Law

Although the word "privacy" is actually never used in the text of the United States Constitution,[20] there are Constitutional limits to the government's intrusion into individuals' right to privacy. This is true even when pursuing a public purpose such as exercising police powers or passing legislation. The Constitution, however, only protects against state actors. Invasions of privacy by individuals can only be remedied under previous court decisions.

The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States ensures that "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

The First Amendment protects the right to free assembly, broadening privacy rights. The Ninth Amendment declares that the fact a right is not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution does not mean that the government can infringe on that right. The Supreme Court recognized the Fourteenth Amendment as providing a substantive due process right to privacy. This was first recognized by several Supreme Court Justices in Griswold v. Connecticut, a 1965 decision protecting a married couple's rights to contraception. It was recognized again in 1973 Roe v. Wade which invoked the right to privacy to protect a woman's right to an abortion.
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You are not a very good teacher.

Although the word "privacy" is actually never used in the text of the United States Constitution,[20] there are Constitutional limits to the government's intrusion into individuals' right to privacy, . This is true even when pursuing a public purpose such as exercising police powers or passing legislation. The Constitution, however, only protects against state actors. Invasions of privacy by individuals can only be remedied under previous court decisions.
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I made the sections bold so you could understand them better. When you first installed Origin you agreed to the terms they could change the rules at any time. YOU AGREED TO THIS. Now you're butt hurt they did and are claiming your civil rights have been violated? Guess what EA, is not the State or Government and you AGREED to let them (EA) make the rules for YOU to use THIER property. Your rights are still fully intact. You can call off Jesse Jackson now. lol Public School education fails again.

Also where is your right to use a computer again? Do you even know what a right is?
 
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Raw said:
Who cares? I care...
It's not a matter of what I have on here that may or may not be legal, it's a matter of personal rights, laws, my freedom.

See my last sentence in my post above.
I'm done with Origin.
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I'm an oddball. I don't care about privacy, period. I don't think anyone should be entitled to it either, as it's directly a large source of crime.

I do not live in the US, so "laws" and "freedoms" are not the same here.
 
cadaveca said:
I'm an oddball. I don't care about privacy, period. I don't think anyone should be entitled to it either, as it's directly a large source of crime.

I do not live in the US, so "laws" and "freedoms" are not the same here.
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agreed.

Freedom in America is an illusion that most Americans are too blind or ignorant to realise.
 
There is only one effective way to express discontent with the manner in which this company treats its customers, their rights and their freedoms: refrain from buying their games.
 
IMHO Raw is over reacting. EA probably just want to know what hardware, OS, etc people are using for their own internal purposes. Who cares if they know what hardware and OS you are running? Most people on this forum place that info in the System Specs section anyway...

Steam does the same data collection and posts the results for public consumption anyway, and no personal information is collected or distributed.
 
Forget EULA. At last Origin is not Beta anymore!
 
PHaS3 said:
IMHO Raw is over reacting.
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possibly, most people are more concerned with graphics than consumer rights in any event

PHaS3 said:
EA probably just want to know what hardware, OS, etc people are using for their own internal purposes.
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Companies have no other purpose than making money, if they are collecting data, it is lucrative.

PHaS3 said:
Who cares if they know what hardware and OS you are running? Most people on this forum place that info in the System Specs section anyway...
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They could ask, allowing users the possiblity to opt out and they also might consider a price reduction given that there is no reason why users should not also profit from the sale of "their" data.

PHaS3 said:
Steam does the same data collection and posts the results for public consumption anyway, and no personal information is collected or distributed.
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As far as I'm aware, Steam provides the user with the option to opt out of data collection.
 
Whether you agree with it or not (personally it feels a bit intrusive to me) however, a choice remains, waiver your privacy rights, which clearly you do have IMO by agreeing to the EULA or keep all of those rights intact and not agree to it and therefore don't play the game......... to be honest, a developers motive should be questioned if they are putting consumers in that position in the first place surely?

Maybe I am being a little defensive, however I get enough control from a wife, 2 daughters, a grandaughter and the tax man, I hardly need anymore! :)
 
cadaveca said:
I'm an oddball. I don't care about privacy, period. I don't think anyone should be entitled to it either, as it's directly a large source of crime.

I do not live in the US, so "laws" and "freedoms" are not the same here.
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Yeah true that But explain why our money still has the god damn Queen on it?????? We are no better you know.

I say let them search our PC`s I have nothing to hide,Only guys that are squawking are ones who pay the hax to get better at BF3 ...I have seen less and less Haxers since 9.0 Origin hit.
 
Don't necessarily place total blame on the company.
A lot has to do with digital rights laws/rules/whatever you wish to call 'em, plus any anti-terrorism laws/acts/rules.
If you have been paying attention lately; almost, all of the corporations/isps/businesses are updating the TOS/EULA agreements to fall in line with compliance of the Media Rights Masters and the FED.
I believe most are just covering their a**es on this DRM thing, plus the other thing.

This way they can say; No, no ,no not us; it was (insert your name here), he/she was the perpetrator, here is their data to prove it.

I got flooded with the TOS/EULA updates in the past few months.

It ain't 1960 anymore, Beaver!

As a side note, "In Time", was a very eye opening say on our society today.
 
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