Why are there no Sandybridge reviews using top end C2Q CPUs?

EarthDog · Apr 18, 2011

Were the vantage runs with PhysX disabled I hope (looks like, just confirming).

EastCoasthandle · Apr 19, 2011

The results are without using physx.

95Viper · Apr 19, 2011

Thanks, EastCoasthandle... Nice thread...

Hope it produces good info, without any BS.

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newtekie1 · Apr 19, 2011

LifeOnMars said:
Crossfire/Sli scaling is alot better for the very top end, plus that only shows a handful of games. I've seen improvements in alot more and has been an altogether smoother gaming experience.

Correct, but those that can afford a proper SLi/Crossfire setup that would show a noticeable difference between the two can also probably afford a SB setup to support it as well.

But if you are still on C2Q, you're also likely looking for a single GPU setup, in which case the GPU is going to be the limitting factor, and any game that isn't limitted by the GPU will be getting well over 60FPS anyway, so the CPU limitting the game won't matter.

EastCoasthandle · Apr 19, 2011

95Viper said:
Thanks, EastCoasthandle... Nice thread...

Hope it produces good info, without any BS.

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NP, I was looking forward to adding dank1983man420 results but I have no idea what happened.

LifeOnMars · Apr 19, 2011

newtekie1 said:
Correct, but those that can afford a proper SLi/Crossfire setup that would show a noticeable difference between the two can also probably afford a SB setup to support it as well.

But if you are still on C2Q, you're also likely looking for a single GPU setup, in which case the GPU is going to be the limitting factor, and any game that isn't limitted by the GPU will be getting well over 60FPS anyway, so the CPU limitting the game won't matter.

Put like that I, see your logic

Guess I'm just impressed at the benefits I have seen with a single card setup, great chips. But yes, a nice C2Q with a single card will still give more than adequate framerates.

LAN_deRf_HA · Apr 19, 2011

My friend went from a Q9xx at 3.4 ghz to a 2500k at 4.5ghz and doubled his wow frame rate in busy areas. So more than just clock for clock, you have to also account for the significant overclock advantage as well. That's what really widens the gap.

EastCoasthandle · Apr 19, 2011

LAN_deRf_HA said:
My friend went from a Q9xx at 3.4 ghz to a 2500k at 4.5ghz and doubled his wow frame rate in busy areas. So more than just clock for clock, you have to also account for the significant overclock advantage as well. That's what really widens the gap.

SB is more able to handle both specific cpu rendering, AI, particles, physics, culling, etc (anything else a particular game may use the cpu for) and still feed the GPU. Doing a better job then the C2Q. Even though the C2Q CPUs are capable of handling the same.

cadaveca · Apr 19, 2011

The question that I have that remains is how much of that performance boost is due to the faster memory subsystem?

EastCoasthandle · Apr 19, 2011

I've added some results from winrar.

TRIPTEX_CAN · Apr 19, 2011

So.. Is HT enabled on the SB in your tests? Sorry if you mentioned it and I just can't read.

If HT was on during the WinRar test I wonder what the difference would be with it off.

EastCoasthandle · Apr 20, 2011

HT is on during those benchmarks/test. I suppose it would have an effect if it's disabled. In any case, I have one more test to add and that's the Super PI Mod results. Enjoy.

TRIPTEX_CAN · Apr 20, 2011

I did my SB rebuild last night and the difference is huge between my q9550 and 2500k. Crysis and BC2 are now running much smoother and at higher FPS. The Q9x50 chips are good for their time and unless you're running a highend GPU it might not be worth it to upgrade. However, if you're running decent graphics and especially Crossfire/SLi the difference is HUGE.

I didn't get much benching done before I did the swap but @ stock (3.3Ghz) the SB system score 2000pts more in 3DMark06 vs my q9550 @ 4ghz.

EastCoasthandle · Apr 20, 2011

Some games are showing a noticeable difference (IE: BC2).

newtekie1 · Apr 20, 2011

EastCoasthandle said:
Some games are showing a noticeable difference (IE: BC2).

BC2 is extremely CPU limitted, so a large difference isn't a surprise, but I wonder how noticeable it really is.

TRIPTEX_CAN · Apr 20, 2011

newtekie1 said:
BC2 is extremely CPU limitted, so a large difference isn't a surprise, but I wonder how noticeable it really is.

HUGE! Using 11.4 with my 5970 I woud average around 45fps in smaller scale 32 player maps and using older drivers (10.5) I would average around 55fps with most settings on medium. Since upgrading I can use 11.4 at the highest possible settings and the game is unbelivably smooth. I now average 80fps (ish) and I havent even reinstalled Windows yet.

The difference is large and measurable.

Crysis on the other hand didnt have a massive increase in measurable performance but the perceived difference and fluid gameplay is amazing.

I had a few BC2 fraps logs saved that I can compare against the 2500k. I'll try to get them posted later today.

EastCoasthandle · Apr 20, 2011

With BC2 the Q9650 OC'd can handle it with no problems until the scene gets hectic with smoke, explosions, teammates shooting about, artillery raining down, etc. As long as you keep the above to a minimum the Q9650 OC'd didn't have much of a problem. But when you start to see the examples above in a any combination of 2 or more is when frame rate dips were noticed (resulting in some stuttering, etc) while the 2600K didn't have a problem.

I also updated the OP showing an example from Starcraft 2.

BababooeyHTJ · Apr 21, 2011

If you happen to try out Serious Sam HD that would be nice. I saw a nice improvement with a moderate overclock on my Lynnfield. Oblivion (especially modded) or even Fallout New Vegas would be another good one. Darkplaces (Quake source port) is another good one where I saw some serious gains while overclocking especially with the right mods like pretty water.

newtekie1 said:
2600K vs. Q9650

2500K vs. Q9650

There you go. SandyBridge definitely wins, but unless you are doing video/audio/photo/3D editting, I see no reason to upgrade if you already have a high end 775 quad.

Anandtech's cpu gaming comparisons are awful. Who is running a $300 cpu at 1680x1050 or lower resolutions and low quality settings?

TRIPTEX_CAN · Apr 21, 2011

BababooeyHTJ said:
If you happen to try out Serious Sam HD that would be nice. I saw a nice improvement with a moderate overclock on my Lynnfield. Oblivion (especially modded) or even Fallout New Vegas would be another good one. Darkplaces (Quake source port) is another good one where I saw some serious gains while overclocking especially with the right mods like pretty water.

Anandtech's cpu gaming comparisons are awful. Who is running a $300 cpu at 1680x1050 or lower resolutions and low quality settings?

@ 1680x1050 any CPU limitation will be more obvious. That's why you see some websites using even lower resolution like 1024x768.

BababooeyHTJ · Apr 21, 2011

TRIPTEX_CAN said:
@ 1680x1050 any CPU limitation will be more obvious. That's why you see some websites using even lower resolution like 1024x768.

I don't think that is necessarily true. In some games yes but not all. Not by a longshot. The games that I mentioned in that quote are an example of that. GTA4 and FSX are two well known examples of games where the more resolution and IQ settings that you use the more cpu limited that you can become.

I don't even look at Anand's cpu reviews because of that. It makes the comparison about as useful as any other synthetic benchmark.

TRIPTEX_CAN · Apr 21, 2011

Before and after FRAPS log from random BC2 before and after upgrading to the 2500k. Most recent scores are at even higher settings.

My max became my average. This speaks for itself.

Before

2011-04-11 21:04:00 - BFBC2Game
Frames: 3788 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 63.133 - Min: 49 - Max: 76

2011-04-13 22:14:36 - BFBC2Game
Frames: 4144 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 69.067 - Min: 45 - Max: 106

2011-04-15 20:38:15 - BFBC2Game
Frames: 3341 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 55.683 - Min: 18 - Max: 173

After

2011-04-21 18:22:17 - BFBC2Game
Frames: 6234 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 103.900 - Min: 61 - Max: 144

2011-04-21 18:24:22 - BFBC2Game
Frames: 6472 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 107.867 - Min: 65 - Max: 172

2011-04-21 18:28:50 - BFBC2Game
Frames: 7297 - Time: 60000ms - Avg: 121.617 - Min: 70 - Max: 169

EastCoasthandle · Apr 21, 2011

I've added BC2 and SCII comparisons without HT to the OP.

Melvis · Apr 27, 2011

So what im seeing here is that the 2600K isnt realy any faster in games unless it is very CPU intensive, even the older Q9650 is holding its own still in all those games and gives enough grunt.

I honestly dont see a point upgrading if you still have a Q9650, not worth it at all.

newtekie1 · Apr 27, 2011

Melvis said:
So what im seeing here is that the 2600K isnt realy any faster in games unless it is very CPU intensive, even the older Q9650 is holding its own still in all those games and gives enough grunt.

I honestly dont see a point upgrading if you still have a Q9650, not worth it at all.

And, really, once you overclock the Q9650 to the 3.6GHz range, which they all pretty much do, it isn't going to hold you back any noticeable amount in any game.

Yes, Sandybridge is faster and overclocks better, but in real world usage the difference won't really be noticeable.

trickson · Apr 27, 2011

newtekie1 said:
And, really, once you overclock the Q9650 to the 3.6GHz range, which they all pretty much do, it isn't going to hold you back any noticeable amount in any game.

Yes, Sandybridge is faster and overclocks better, but in real world usage the difference won't really be noticeable.

One reason why I still love my Q9650 ! This is one solid CPU . I do not see a future build from what I have now any time soon . One thing I see happening faster and faster is the tech is moving far too fast for me to keep up with . Every time I get some thing "New" I find that in a month it is OLD and slow . I am really sick of trying to keep up and have settled for just keeping what I have . :cry:

System Name	MY PC
Processor	E8400 @ 3.80Ghz > Q9650 3.60Ghz
Motherboard	Maximus Formula
Cooling	D5, 7/16" ID Tubing, Maze4 with Fuzion CPU WB
Memory	XMS 8500C5D @ 1066MHz
Video Card(s)	HD 2900 XT 858/900 to 4870 to 5870 (Keep Vreg area clean)
Storage	2
Display(s)	24"
Case	P180
Audio Device(s)	X-fi Plantinum
Power Supply	Silencer 750
Software	XP Pro SP3 to Windows 7
Benchmark Scores	This varies from one driver to another.

Processor	Intel Core i7 10850K@5.2GHz
Motherboard	AsRock Z470 Taichi
Cooling	Corsair H115i Pro w/ Noctua NF-A14 Fans
Memory	32GB DDR4-3600
Video Card(s)	RTX 2070 Super
Storage	500GB SX8200 Pro + 8TB with 1TB SSD Cache
Display(s)	Acer Nitro VG280K 4K 28"
Case	Fractal Design Define S
Audio Device(s)	Onboard is good enough for me
Power Supply	eVGA SuperNOVA 1000w G3
Software	Windows 10 Pro x64

System Name	MY PC
Processor	E8400 @ 3.80Ghz > Q9650 3.60Ghz
Motherboard	Maximus Formula
Cooling	D5, 7/16" ID Tubing, Maze4 with Fuzion CPU WB
Memory	XMS 8500C5D @ 1066MHz
Video Card(s)	HD 2900 XT 858/900 to 4870 to 5870 (Keep Vreg area clean)
Storage	2
Display(s)	24"
Case	P180
Audio Device(s)	X-fi Plantinum
Power Supply	Silencer 750
Software	XP Pro SP3 to Windows 7
Benchmark Scores	This varies from one driver to another.

System Name	Bad Moon Ryzen
Processor	Ryzen 5 5600X
Motherboard	Asrock B450M Pro4-F
Cooling	Vetroo V5
Memory	16Gb (8gb x 2) 3200 MHz DDR 4
Video Card(s)	GTX 1080
Storage	Samsung 860 Evo 500Gb SSD, Samsung 860 Evo 1Tb SSD
Display(s)	Asus VG249Q3A (180Hz Freesync/Gsync) & 4K Samsung TV
Case	Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact w/Dark Tempered Glass
Audio Device(s)	Onboard
Power Supply	MSI MPG A850GF (850w)
VR HMD	Rift S

System Name	Obelisc
Processor	i7 3770k @ 4.8 GHz
Motherboard	Asus P8Z77-V
Cooling	H110
Memory	16GB(4x4) @ 2400 MHz 9-11-11-31
Video Card(s)	GTX 780 Ti
Storage	850 EVO 1TB, 2x 5TB Toshiba
Case	T81
Audio Device(s)	X-Fi Titanium HD
Power Supply	EVGA 850 T2 80+ TITANIUM
Software	Win10 64bit

Processor	2700x under H100i progeebee
Motherboard	ASUS x470 prime
Cooling	Fans
Memory	gskill ripjaw 3200
Video Card(s)	MSi Vega 64 ref
Storage	120Gb OCZ Vertex 2E SSD - 500Gb Games - 1.5tb Storage and Media
Case	CM HAF 932
Power Supply	Corsair TX750
Software	Win 10

Processor	i5 3570k
Motherboard	Gigabyte Z77 UD5h
Cooling	XSPC Raystrom
Memory	4x4GB DDR3 1600mhz
Video Card(s)	7950 crossfire
Storage	a few
Display(s)	27" Catleap
Case	Xigmatek Elysium
Audio Device(s)	Xonar STX
Power Supply	Seasonic X1050
Software	Windows 7 X64

System Name	Night Rider \| Mini LAN PC \| Workhorse
Processor	AMD R7 5800X3D \| Ryzen 1600X \| i7 970
Motherboard	MSi AM4 Pro Carbon \| GA- \| Gigabyte EX58-UD5
Cooling	Noctua U9S Twin Fan\| Stock Cooler, Copper Core)\| Big shairkan B
Memory	2x8GB DDR4 G.Skill Ripjaws 3600MHz\| 2x8GB Corsair 3000 \| 6x2GB DDR3 1300 Corsair
Video Card(s)	MSI AMD 6750XT \| 6500XT \| MSI RX 580 8GB
Storage	1TB WD Black NVME / 250GB SSD /2TB WD Black \| 500GB SSD WD, 2x1TB, 1x750 \| WD 500 SSD/Seagate 320
Display(s)	LG 27" 1440P\| Samsung 20" S20C300L/DELL 15" \| 22" DELL/19"DELL
Case	LIAN LI PC-18 \| Mini ATX Case (custom) \| Atrix C4 9001
Audio Device(s)	Onboard \| Onbaord \| Onboard
Power Supply	Silverstone 850 \| Silverstone Mini 450W \| Corsair CX-750
Mouse	Coolermaster Pro \| Rapoo V900 \| Gigabyte 6850X
Keyboard	MAX Keyboard Nighthawk X8 \| Creative Fatal1ty eluminx \| Some POS Logitech
Software	Windows 10 Pro 64 \| Windows 10 Pro 64 \| Windows 7 Pro 64/Windows 10 Home

System Name	Ryzen TUF.
Processor	AMD Ryzen7 3700X
Motherboard	Asus TUF X570 Gaming Plus
Cooling	Noctua
Memory	Gskill RipJaws 3466MHz
Video Card(s)	Asus TUF 1650 Super Clocked.
Storage	CB 1T M.2 Drive.
Display(s)	73" Soney 4K.
Case	Antech LanAir Pro.
Audio Device(s)	Denon AVR-S750H
Power Supply	Corsair TX750
Mouse	Optical
Keyboard	K120 Logitech
Software	Windows 10 64 bit Home OEM

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