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6950 to fire GL

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Does anyone know how to convert a Radeon 6950 to Fire GL for use with Solidworks?
Or how to simply enable "Realview" in solidworks with this card?

Thanks in advance,

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You could do some soft mod hacking via drivers before but I think AMD blocked that after the HD3xxx series unfortunately...

The alternative is bios flashing but the PCBs(and memory i think coz the professional solutions need ECC) for the FireGL cards are different and you'll most likely just brick your card.
 

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Thank you for that, I remembered doing that in the old days, I was hoping that updating the BIOS would resolve the issue and fake the program into allowing me to tun on the feature that I need.
This is a great card, it's disappointing that there should be that great a difference
 
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Well if you're feeling lucky and you have the OEM model with the switchable bios, you could give it a go anyway, just have to find a FireGL bios from someone. But suggestion to you is instead of hacking the card, try hacking the program's registry settings - maybe you can activate the disabled options through there?
 
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AMD didn't block softmoding, you can still softmod the 4xxx cards, the reason we can't softmod 5xxx or 6xxx is because: a-there is no FireGL equivalent card; b-there is no patchscript for the FireGL driver.

You don't need BIOS or softmoding the driver with a patch script for solidworks.

Solidworks is a bit dumb and you can enable the real view just by RENAMING the card to a FireGL model.
This is what I renamed my HD5870 card to:


I'm still using a Radeon driver so I can normally play any game and not take any performance hit.


Procedure:
1. Download the Radeon driver for your card (HD 6950)

2. Run the driver installation and let it extract, when it finishes extracting cancel the install

3. Go to C: -> ATI -> Support ->11-8_vista64_win7_64_dd_ccc_ocl (the driver I used for this example) -> Packages -> Drivers -> Display -> W76A_INF -> open C7122939.inf (or similar named file if not using the same driver), be sure to open the first .inf file in the folder (There are 2 of them).

4. When you have it opened with Notepad or w/e find this line (You can double check if you have the right number Device ID with GPU-Z): "AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series " = ati2mtag_NICayman, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6719

(The last number is the Device ID)

5. Change the last number to this: 688A (This will rename your card to ATI FirePro V9800)

Optional: you can use any other device ID for different name but AFAIK it has no impact on performance, here is a list:
"AMD FireStream 9170" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9519
"AMD FireStream 9250" = ati2mtag_RV7X, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9452
"AMD FireStream 9270" = ati2mtag_RV7X, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9450
"ATI FireGL V3600" = ati2mtag_RV630GL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_958D
"ATI FireGL V5600" = ati2mtag_RV630GL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_958C
"ATI FireGL V7600" = ati2mtag_R600GL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_940F
"ATI FireGL V7700" = ati2mtag_RV630GL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9511
"ATI FireGL V8600" = ati2mtag_R600GL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_940B
"ATI FireGL V8650" = ati2mtag_R600GL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_940A
"ATI FirePro 2260" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_95CF
"ATI FirePro 2260 " = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_95CE
"ATI FirePro 2450" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_95CD
"ATI FirePro 2460 (FireMV)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68F1
"ATI FirePro V3700 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_RV620GL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_95CC
"ATI FirePro V3750 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_R7XGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_949F
"ATI FirePro V3800 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68C9
"ATI FirePro V4800 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68C8
"ATI FirePro V5700 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_R7XGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_949E
"ATI FirePro V5800 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68A9
"ATI FirePro V7750 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_R7XGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_949C
"ATI FirePro V7800 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6889
"ATI FirePro V8700 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_RV7XGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9456
"ATI FirePro V8750 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_RV7XGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9444
"ATI FirePro V8800 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6888
"ATI FirePro V9800 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_688A

You always only change the last number with the one from the list to get the card name.

6. Save on exit and go back to C: -> ATI -> Support ->11-8_vista64_win7_64_dd_ccc_ocl

7. Run Setup.exe and install, during the installation it will probably warn you that the driver isn't signed and if you wish to continue, install it anyway.

8. After install, check if the name is changed with GPU-Z.

It may seem a long procedure but it takes a minute to change a number and install.

Proof:
 

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Thank you for that I really appreciate it, that is exactly what I was looking for.:toast:
 

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Thanks again for the help, apparently the ASUS card is locked as it errored out each time I attempted the change on it.
 
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Doh! I just realized I made a mistake in my first post.
When you get to this line in the .inf file:
"AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series " = ati2mtag_NICayman, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6719
Change it to this (only select the cards name and replace it with the FirePro name):

"ATI FirePro V9800 (FireGL) " = ati2mtag_NICayman, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6719

I don't know why did I say to change the device ID, I got confused a bit.

That line will mean that a card which has an ID number 6719 will be named ATI FirePro V9800.

Sorry again for my mistake.
 
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you could just use radeonpro to make the system temporily/or perm present a firegl vendor id it would then be easy to switch on/off or apply only to a profile for the soft you want it too

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Great idea, I'll give that a try as well...

Thanks again oh Radeon Gurus
You guys are awesome :toast:
 

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Thanks repman, this is exactly what I needed. I'm going to build my sister another CAD station and was going to go the hd4870 softmod route. But your instructions are the easiest by far and have convinced me to go either the HD5870 or 6950 route. Which of the two would you recommend?
 
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Thanks repman, this is exactly what I needed. I'm going to build my sister another CAD station and was going to go the hd4870 softmod route. But your instructions are the easiest by far and have convinced me to go either the HD5870 or 6950 route. Which of the two would you recommend?

Be aware that my instructions only work for Solidworks and NOTHING else. For a proper softmod of you card you need to mod the drivers, it's not that hard if you take some time and read the instructions. This mod will work with all CAD software not just Solidworks but it's not doable for HD5xxx and HD 6xxx cards...for now at least.

This is a guide for a proper softmod http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=313065

Be aware that you need the proper script and the driver version in order to get this to work.
 
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Thanks man. I'll do some more research.

A buddy of mine said its probably not worth the effort when I could pick up a decent card like this for cheap:
ATI 100-505606 FirePro V4800 1GB GDDR5
ATI 100-505606 FirePro V4800 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express...

What do you think?

It's ok for more simple models, but once you start working with big and complex models its not really good. It all depends on your needs.

Try finding some reviews (SPECviewperf benchmarks) for the card or some similar priced ones and you will see what exactly do you need.
 

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My sister works with CAD, sketchup, and Rhino. She complains that it constantly hangs her Mac Book Pro.
 
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My sister works with CAD, sketchup, and Rhino. She complains that it constantly hangs her Mac Book Pro.

Does she have very big and complex models? If she does some simple/moderate models I think a card around the 200$ mark would do good.
Right now I have a FirePro M5950 in my laptop (480 shaders, 1GB GDDR5, GPU clock at 725MHz Memory at 900MHz) and it does it's job really nice, there are a few hickups now and then when working with a bit more complex stuff but nothing like if I would use a normal Radeon/GeForce card.
 

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Hello

I can follow your instructions til step 3. After having opened the .inf file I cant find the part which I have to change.

I have 6970 and the ccc driver no. 12.1.

I tried to change something, that looked like this:

"%AMD6758.1%" = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6758
"%AMD68BA.1%" = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68BA
"%AMD68BF.3%" = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68BF
"%AMD673E.1%" = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_673E
"%AMD6738.4%" = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6738
"%AMD6739.2%" = ati2mtag_NI, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6739
"%AMD689B.1%" = ati2mtag_Evergreen, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_689B
"%AMD6718.1%" = ati2mtag_NICayman, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_688A
"%AMD6719.1%" = ati2mtag_NICayman, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_688A
"%AMD671D.1%" = ati2mtag_NICayman, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_688A
"%AMD671F.1%" = ati2mtag_NICayman, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_688A
"%AMD9649.1%" = ati2mtag_Sumo_Mobile, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9649
"%AMD68E0.2%" = ati2mtag_ManhattanP, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68E0
"%AMD9616.1%" = ati2mtag_RS780, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9616
"%AMD9611.1%" = ati2mtag_RS780, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9611


(coloured is what I changed)


I'm looking for help

thanks
 
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Can you tell me what is your device ID? You can get it from GPU-Z.
 

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instructions for different radeon card?

Hi Im hoping you could provide instructions for my card, the folders specified don't exist and I cant find the configuration files.

Ive got a samsung laptop, ati crossfire dual graphics so one is hd6620g (device id: 1002-9641), and the other is hd6470m (device id: 1002-6760)

the installer for the graphics card is the AMD Catalyst

Thanks for your help!

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Hi Im hoping you could provide instructions for my card, the folders specified don't exist and I cant find the configuration files.

Ive got a samsung laptop, ati crossfire dual graphics so one is hd6620g (device id: 1002-9641), and the other is hd6470m (device id: 1002-6760)

the installer for the graphics card is the AMD Catalyst

Thanks for your help!

-Corey

You should see the files after you start the installer (after the extraction), however I didn't try this on dual graphics (I don't have any access to such system).
Can you link me to the driver you are using?
 

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You should see the files after you start the installer (after the extraction), however I didn't try this on dual graphics (I don't have any access to such system).
Can you link me to the driver you are using?

Would it be the catalyst suite? I am using the latest, 12.8

GPU-z says it is "atiumdag 8.910.0.0 / Win7 64"

Does this help at all?
 
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Ok so I reinstalled catalyst and now i have access to the inf file

Now you need to find the line with your DeviceID and change the name of the card. However I haven't done this for dual graphics and I'm not sure if you need to change it for both of them.

Remember that this will only work for Solidworks (you get Real View working and Ambient Occlusion).

The other option is a little program which does this without a driver modification (attached below).
 

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