How to optimize my PC by overclocking my system

[NeoThuNder]

Hai Guys,

I have PC with spec :
Motherboard : MSI X570 Tomahawk Wifi
Processor : Ryzen 7 5700X
Cooling : Corsair ICue H100i Elite Capellix RGB Platinum 240mm
GPU : MSI RTX 3060 Gaming X 12GB DDR6
RAM : Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro SL 4x16GB ( 64GB )
SSD : Samsung 980 Pro 1TB NVme M.2
HDD : Seagate 1TB & WD 2TB
PSU : Seasonic Focus GX-550

Have some question about overclock to reach optimize performance and here is my question :
1. is possible i do overclock my system with PSU only supply 550W ?
2. i read the doc Ryzen 5700X in amd website, its says max memory speed is :
- 2x1R DDR4-3200
- 2x2R DDR4-3200
- 4x1R DDR4-2933
- 4x2R DDR4-2667
i'm using dual channel 4x16GB with corsair vengeance ( 2 ram kit ). is it possible i'm overclock this memory speed over 3600 ? or maybe 4000 ?
3. what or how possible and efficient way to do overclock my system ?

i'm sorry if i ask silly question, but this is my first overclock, and i really want to overclock my system to reach the limit also i willing to hard learning if i have to.

 

[DaemonForce]

On the X570 Tomahawk?
5700X at 110-112%, make sure BCLK is locked on 100.
Is the Corsair a 3600 kit? Literally anything over 3200 is great but the cap is 3800 before it dumps 1:1 for 2:1.
Lock FCLK and MCLK for best CLK. The setting is kind of hidden away but can be verified in Ryzen Master, which I don't care to use.
If you're getting POST issues every other boot on default/AUTO memory voltages, manually set it and raise the setting until consistent.
If your memory kits misbehave with 4 DIMMs but behaves on 2, raise the voltages more and stress them until desired performance behavior.
That's about it.

 

[NeoThuNder]

On the X570 Tomahawk?
5700X at 110-112%, make sure BCLK is locked on 100.
Is the Corsair a 3600 kit? Literally anything over 3200 is great but the cap is 3800 before it dumps 1:1 for 2:1.
Lock FCLK and MCLK for best CLK. The setting is kind of hidden away but can be verified in Ryzen Master, which I don't care to use.
If you're getting POST issues every other boot on default/AUTO memory voltages, manually set it and raise the setting until consistent.
If your memory kits misbehave with 4 DIMMs but behaves on 2, raise the voltages more and stress them until desired performance behavior.
That's about it.

Yes, i'm using X570 Tomahawk. is it worst motherboard for overclocking ?
Yes i'm using dual channel with Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro SL. 4 x 16 GB. its 3600 kit.

I'm confuse now. can you explain more detail ?

 

[DaemonForce]

The X570 is the most overly engineered platform for overclocking AM4, I don't know how you're asking about this or how anything MSI and "worst" exist in the same sentence regarding overclocks. This isn't the ATI+MSI era anymore. It's fine.

Memory overclocking and CPU clock are the spotlight for AM4 overclocking here. The memory controller is a completely different animal from what we're used to seeing on FX and everything before it.

 

[Toothless]

Well you're not gonna get far using four dimms. 5000 series chips will do two dimms 3600 easily across the board, and tighter timings matter a lot more than clocks.

As for CPU, all you need to do is leave PBO enabled and let it work it's magic.

 

[mstenholm]

Download and run Zentimmings, that will give us a starting point for your RAM.

 

[NeoThuNder]

Well you're not gonna get far using four dimms. 5000 series chips will do two dimms 3600 easily across the board, and tighter timings matter a lot more than clocks.

As for CPU, all you need to do is leave PBO enabled and let it work it's magic.

RAM : is it fine right using four dimms, and overclock it ?
CPU : just enabled the PBO ?

Download and run Zentimmings, that will give us a starting point for your RAM.

ok will do tonight.

 

[Toothless]

RAM : is it fine right using four dimms, and overclock it ?
CPU : just enabled the PBO ?

ok will do tonight.

More dimms = harder on the IMC, meaning less clocks. Sure you can tweak timings but you might top out on 3400-3600 (3600 if really lucky) for clocks. For example I can run 4000 on two dimms but only 3400 on four with my 5950x.

 

[NeoThuNder]

More dimms = harder on the IMC, meaning less clocks. Sure you can tweak timings but you might top out on 3400-3600 (3600 if really lucky) for clocks. For example I can run 4000 on two dimms but only 3400 on four with my 5950x.

so with only two dimms i can easily to get 4000 ?

question, cause you already tried with two and four dimms, which one is better choose ?

 

[ir_cow]

i'm using dual channel 4x16GB with corsair vengeance ( 2 ram kit ). is it possible i'm overclock this memory speed over 3600 ? or maybe 4000 ?

Nope. You will never make it to 4000 with 4 DIMMs. Even single-rank would be iffy. Probably 3200 is realistic without much fuss and 3600 if you want to play with voltages and DRAM tweaks for stability using 4x Dual-rank.

2x Dual-Rank can get to 4000, but that is also going to require a good amount of extra IMC voltage.

 

[NeoThuNder]

Nope. You will never make it to 4000 with 4 DIMMs. Even single-rank would be iffy. Probably 3200 is realistic without much fuss and 3600 if you want to play with voltages and DRAM tweaks for stability using 4x Dual-rank.

2x Dual-Rank can get to 4000, but that is also going to require a good amount of extra IMC voltage.

sorry what do you mean by single and dual rank ?

 

[Toothless]

so with only two dimms i can easily to get 4000 ?

question, cause you already tried with two and four dimms, which one is better choose ?

There is no promise to hit anything. Everything with overclocking or even high clocked memory is a lottery.

CLEARLY two is better since you can go with a faster kit as said previously.

sorry what do you mean by single and dual rank ?

Basically how many chips are on a stick. More = more capacity and at times more bandwidth, but harder on IMC.

Honestly at this point, going with a 3600 2x16 or something and passing on overclocking anything is going to be your better bet. Or just leave it as is.

 

[Zach_01]

Hai Guys,

I have PC with spec :
Motherboard : MSI X570 Tomahawk Wifi
Processor : Ryzen 7 5700X
Cooling : Corsair ICue H100i Elite Capellix RGB Platinum 240mm
GPU : MSI RTX 3060 Gaming X 12GB DDR6
RAM : Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro SL 4x16GB ( 64GB )
SSD : Samsung 980 Pro 1TB NVme M.2
HDD : Seagate 1TB & WD 2TB
PSU : Seasonic Focus GX-550

Have some question about overclock to reach optimize performance and here is my question :
1. is possible i do overclock my system with PSU only supply 550W ?
2. i read the doc Ryzen 5700X in amd website, its says max memory speed is :
- 2x1R DDR4-3200
- 2x2R DDR4-3200
- 4x1R DDR4-2933
- 4x2R DDR4-2667
i'm using dual channel 4x16GB with corsair vengeance ( 2 ram kit ). is it possible i'm overclock this memory speed over 3600 ? or maybe 4000 ?
3. what or how possible and efficient way to do overclock my system ?

i'm sorry if i ask silly question, but this is my first overclock, and i really want to overclock my system to reach the limit also i willing to hard learning if i have to.

Get to know your system first...

Use ZenTimings for memory and CPU memory subsystem and HWiNFO64 sensors mode for a general overview of system.





What do you mean by overclocking?
Old time overclocking is dead with modern chips.
You can enhance CPU performance (frequency boosting) through a BIOS tool called CurveOptimizer, and try to maximize RAM performance through memory subsystem component speed like the MCLK, FCLK, UCLK and their respected voltages.
Also at what performance level you CPU will land at the end depends on several factors, like CPU quality, board quality, DRAM kit quality, and how far are you willing to go with total CPU power consumption and cooling.

 

[DaemonForce]

What do you mean by overclocking?
Old time overclocking is dead with modern chips.

This is the main takeaway from this setup. Ryzen fundamentally changed the way we commit to overclocks because of a unique memory controller, overclocking parameters and several related odds and ends. Everyone still has their overclocking philosophies and that's fine. I disable PBO because I subscribe to the old idea of "pin clockspeed at X" value, raise voltage for stability and that works out just fine. I also do 4 sticks of dual rank memory and have never been good at memory overclocking as it was basically a non-existent thing before Ryzen.

Oh sure I could pick up a DDR3-1600 kit for my Phenom II where the board considers that to be an OC speed or another 1866/2133/2400 kit for the FX but beyond tightening the main timings, I'm not raising the MCLK beyond its out of box label. X570 was my introduction to Ryzen, DDR4 and many other immediate milestones. It completely changed the game for many.

this is my first overclock, and i really want to overclock my system to reach the limit also i willing to hard learning if i have to.

What an incredible time to jump in. You basically have everything handed to you. Have fun. Don't expect to find the max speeds for this and that without a fight, which is normal.
Also if you're doing 4x dimms and can do a better job with timings, consider yourself lucky. I don't mess with it anymore.

Aside from the usual apps, you'll have a few other apps and games that you'll adopt for sanity checks. It's normal to spend a bit of time in them.

 

[Zach_01]

This is the main takeaway from this setup. Ryzen fundamentally changed the way we commit to overclocks because of a unique memory controller, overclocking parameters and several related odds and ends. Everyone still has their overclocking philosophies and that's fine. I disable PBO because I subscribe to the old idea of "pin clockspeed at X" value, raise voltage for stability and that works out just fine. I also do 4 sticks of dual rank memory and have never been good at memory overclocking as it was basically a non-existent thing before Ryzen.

Oh sure I could pick up a DDR3-1600 kit for my Phenom II where the board considers that to be an OC speed or another 1866/2133/2400 kit for the FX but beyond tightening the main timings, I'm not raising the MCLK beyond its out of box label. X570 was my introduction to Ryzen, DDR4 and many other immediate milestones. It completely changed the game for many.

I can see in your system specs next to your CPU naming the "4.0GHz" frequency.
If you're running the R5 3600 at 4.0GHz fixed, then you cant call that overclocking in my book as this chip can hit 4.2GHz on a couple of cores occasionally. This is more like disabling dynamic operation for whatever reason you feel comfortable with. Also this way (of fixed function) the internal protection of the chip (against high current) is inherently disabled and there is some chances that some loads can harm silicon. How big or small this chance is depending on what the user is doing (his tasks). Thats ok(?), but old school oc would "require" to run an all core static beyond the 4.2GHz mark and most of us know you cant do that with Ryzens.
That why I said that traditional oc is dead. Simple. Running the chip on static frequency below max rated boost is just disabling variable/dynamic operation. OC stand for Overclock = Over the rated frequency.

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@NeoThuNder in my opinion first should know his system and how is everything related to each other. Its the hard way, but the right way... instead of people just start to throw settings and suggestions without the owner of the system really know what those settings mean or do.

 

[DaemonForce]

The base clock of my FX-8370 is 4.0GHz. It has a "boost" clock of 4.3GHz which I've never witnessed until switching to a UEFI featured board that understood that function.
I've dailied it at 4.5GHz before, which is an overclock. These days I run it at peak 4.4GHz, which is still an overclock. If I bring it further down to 4.2 or 4.1, it's the same territory.

Ryzen only exists in a UEFI featured space. My 3600 has a base clock of 3.6GHz and a rated max clock of 4.2GHz, which is too high of a clock speed to handle my VR apps in any stable manner. 4.1 is the limit and still unstable, so I've chosen to keep it locked at 4.0GHz where it behaves. It is a consequence of its purpose. I don't want to run this chip at a static 3.6GHz and PBO/PBO2 can't be trusted to behave properly.

You're inserting a field where we expect a single value. It's still an overclock.

 

[Zach_01]

The base clock of my FX-8370 is 4.0GHz. It has a "boost" clock of 4.3GHz which I've never witnessed until switching to a UEFI featured board that understood that function.
I've dailied it at 4.5GHz before, which is an overclock. These days I run it at peak 4.4GHz, which is still an overclock. If I bring it further down to 4.2 or 4.1, it's the same territory.

Ryzen only exists in a UEFI featured space. My 3600 has a base clock of 3.6GHz and a rated max clock of 4.2GHz, which is too high of a clock speed to handle my VR apps in any stable manner. 4.1 is the limit and still unstable, so I've chosen to keep it locked at 4.0GHz where it behaves. It is a consequence of its purpose. I don't want to run this chip at a static 3.6GHz and PBO/PBO2 can't be trusted to behave properly.

You're inserting a field where we expect a single value. It's still an overclock.

Understood... but you cant blame AMD's boost settings on the R5 3600 because you are facing issues. Probably there is something wrong there. Maybe that specific CPU is defective from factory. Not uncommon/unusual. My First 5900X was defective and had to RMA it (successfully). Maybe there is something else wrong...
I had the same chip (R5 3600nonX) for almost 3 years before I switched to current CPU and that 3600 even was a bad binned one was working well at rated boost of 4.2GHz. No issues whatsoever. Games or anything else.

 

[NeoThuNder]

Get to know your system first...

Use ZenTimings for memory and CPU memory subsystem and HWiNFO64 sensors mode for a general overview of system.

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What do you mean by overclocking?
Old time overclocking is dead with modern chips.
You can enhance CPU performance (frequency boosting) through a BIOS tool called CurveOptimizer, and try to maximize RAM performance through memory subsystem component speed like the MCLK, FCLK, UCLK and their respected voltages.
Also at what performance level you CPU will land at the end depends on several factors, like CPU quality, board quality, DRAM kit quality, and how far are you willing to go with total CPU power consumption and cooling.

This is the main takeaway from this setup. Ryzen fundamentally changed the way we commit to overclocks because of a unique memory controller, overclocking parameters and several related odds and ends. Everyone still has their overclocking philosophies and that's fine. I disable PBO because I subscribe to the old idea of "pin clockspeed at X" value, raise voltage for stability and that works out just fine. I also do 4 sticks of dual rank memory and have never been good at memory overclocking as it was basically a non-existent thing before Ryzen.

Oh sure I could pick up a DDR3-1600 kit for my Phenom II where the board considers that to be an OC speed or another 1866/2133/2400 kit for the FX but beyond tightening the main timings, I'm not raising the MCLK beyond its out of box label. X570 was my introduction to Ryzen, DDR4 and many other immediate milestones. It completely changed the game for many.

What an incredible time to jump in. You basically have everything handed to you. Have fun. Don't expect to find the max speeds for this and that without a fight, which is normal.
Also if you're doing 4x dimms and can do a better job with timings, consider yourself lucky. I don't mess with it anymore.

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Aside from the usual apps, you'll have a few other apps and games that you'll adopt for sanity checks. It's normal to spend a bit of time in them.

interesting, will try this.
Thanks Brother