Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

AusWolf · May 2, 2024

gurusmi said:
90W TDP?

Not TDP. Actual CPU package power consumption reported by HWinfo.

Shou Miko · May 2, 2024

AusWolf said:
With a 7800X3D? This little thing eats 80-90 W under full load, I wonder what crappy board can't even supply that without overheating.

The default TDP for the 7800X3D as far as I know is 120W according to AMD's own website: https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/7000-series/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d.html

3x0 · May 2, 2024

4.5GHz vs 4.8GHz all core can be a difference due to the type of load. The processor wont have the same clocks in Cinebench vs. Linpack or yCruncher for ex.

Space Lynx · May 2, 2024

tabascosauz said:
It works much the same way as to Fmax so yes, the more the better. Fmax is 5050 now

You have access to the expanded CO envelope down to -50. I run -35 though, -45 is doable for benches but not stable. -50 daily stable would be impressive.

Hold on...didn't you have a 12600K?

refunded 12600k because this deal was too good to pass up.

What's your latest tech purchase?

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tpa-pr said:
I set mine to -30 offset in PBO. It let my all-core effective clock boost as high as 4.8Ghz (up from an average of 4.5Ghz).

I will do -30 thanks

londiste · May 2, 2024

Shou Miko said:
The default TDP for the 7800X3D as far as I know is 120W according to AMD's own website: https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/7000-series/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d.html

While we know Intel's shenanigans AMD is doing its share of... stuff with TDPs as well. 7900X and 7950X have stated TDP of 170W and power limits at 230W, 105W TDP Ryzens have power limit of 140W and 65W Ryzens have 88W. Yes-yes, the official word on that brings in a nice complex formula dealing with cooler efficiency and a bunch of parameters but that is just obfuscation.

TDP for 7800X3D is stated to be 120W. Its power limit is at 76W. Basically all X3D models are special in a way that they are rather "unhungry". Apparently because the cache dies or the way they are put together does not like high voltages-heat.

Edit:
In light of the recent Intel stability news, has anyone encountered the same "out of VRAM" errors with Unreal Engine games with tweaked Ryzens? I was seeing those and after the news broke on CPU stability being the cause changed the CO from -30 to -15 on my 7800X3D and while I have not had much time to play since then I have not yet encountered the same errors while these were rather common before.

Space Lynx · May 2, 2024

londiste said:
cause changed the CO from -30 to -15 on my 7800X3D and while I have not had much time to play since then I have not yet encountered the same errors while these were rather common before.

so you use -15 on your 7800x3d and not -30? do you recommend a new 7800x3d owner use -15 over -30?

Super Firm Tofu · May 2, 2024

Space Lynx said:
so you use -15 on your 7800x3d and not -30? do you recommend a new 7800x3d owner use -15 over -30?

Every individual CPU (and core) will have a different threshold for a negative CO. Some good samples may work great at -40 and others may not make it past -15. It’s always best to do per core to find the best possible undervolt for each, but that can take some time and effort. Lots of people just pick a safe all core number and work from there.

AusWolf · May 2, 2024

londiste said:
TDP for 7800X3D is stated to be 120W. Its power limit is at 76W. Basically all X3D models are special in a way that they are rather "unhungry". Apparently because the cache dies or the way they are put together does not like high voltages-heat.

Power limit for any Ryzen is TDP×1.35. For the 7800X3D, it's 162 W, only that it never gets anywhere near. It's actual power consumption in Cinebench is around 80-90 W depending on memory configuration.

Shou Miko said:
The default TDP for the 7800X3D as far as I know is 120W according to AMD's own website: https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/7000-series/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d.html

Like I said, I'm not talking about TDP. I'm talking about actual measured power consumption, which has nothing to do with TDP.

tabascosauz · May 2, 2024

AusWolf said:
Power limit for any Ryzen is TDP×1.35. For the 7800X3D, it's 162 W, only that it never gets anywhere near. It's actual power consumption in Cinebench is around 80-90 W depending on memory configuration.

Like I said, I'm not talking about TDP. I'm talking about actual measured power consumption, which has nothing to do with TDP.

Technically yes, but at a certain point talking about 162W gets pretty pointless considering the CPU really only ever reaches just over half of its PPT in just about any workload. It's quite the different story compared to 5800X3D.

Super Firm Tofu said:
Every individual CPU (and core) will have a different threshold for a negative CO. Some good samples may work great at -40 and others may not make it past -15. It’s always best to do per core to find the best possible undervolt for each, but that can take some time and effort. Lots of people just pick a safe all core number and work from there.

I think 8-core owners have just been spoiled. Getting real entitled with "just set -30, bro" :laugh:

wait till they get their hands on a 2CCD CPU and learn what per-core variation is all about

AusWolf · May 2, 2024

tabascosauz said:
Technically yes, but at a certain point talking about 162W gets pretty pointless considering the CPU really only ever reaches just over half of its PPT in just about any workload. It's quite the different story compared to 5800X3D.

Exactly.

That's why I never talk about TDP regarding an AMD CPU.

freeagent · Friday at 3:17 AM

tabascosauz said:
Technically yes, but at a certain point talking about 162W gets pretty pointless considering the CPU really only ever reaches just over half of its PPT in just about any workload. It's quite the different story compared to 5800X3D.

Interesting.. so you AM5 X3D guys would never see anything like this?

I have never been able to get close to maxing EDC on this CPU.. kinda bugs me a little because I do not know how

tabascosauz · Friday at 3:51 AM

freeagent said:
Interesting.. so you AM5 X3D guys would never see anything like this?

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I have never been able to get close to maxing EDC on this CPU.. kinda bugs me a little because I do not know how

I don't think I have seen anyone ever reach even 120W on 7800X3D.

Well, since 142W is set in stone, you won't be able to max out EDC except by reducing it.

Super Firm Tofu · Friday at 5:44 AM

Even getting much over 135W on a dual CCD is hard.

AusWolf · Friday at 7:39 AM

freeagent said:
Interesting.. so you AM5 X3D guys would never see anything like this?

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I have never been able to get close to maxing EDC on this CPU.. kinda bugs me a little because I do not know how

Nope.

This is an all-core Cinebench run with a full boost at 4.8 GHz. Everything is on stock/auto.

My RAM is at 4800 MHz, VSoC at 1.0 V, but if I run it at 6000 MHz with VSoC at 1.2 V, I only get a couple of Watts more on the CPU package power. I just don't because it doesn't make a lick of difference.

Super Firm Tofu said:
Even getting much over 135W on a dual CCD is hard.

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What kind of black magic is that? :eek:

My 7700X ran at 142 W (max PPT) in all-core loads.

Edit: Oh wait, you're on X3D, too. I take my question back, silly me. :laugh:

Count von Schwalbe · Friday at 12:09 PM

@ canadian mods:

Minimum Thermalright for a 5950X?

freeagent · Friday at 2:00 PM

Count von Schwalbe said:
@ canadian mods:

Minimum Thermalright for a 5950X?

I would do any of the Phantom Spirits, or Frost Commander.

Count von Schwalbe · Friday at 2:39 PM

Does the PS120SE have PWM fans?

Super Firm Tofu · Friday at 2:42 PM

Count von Schwalbe said:
Does the PS120SE have PWM fans?

Yes sir.

System Name	Nebulon-B Mk. 4
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard	MSi PRO B650M-A WiFi
Cooling	be quiet! Dark Rock 4
Memory	2x 24 GB Corsair Vengeance EXPO DDR5-6000
Video Card(s)	Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 7800 XT
Storage	2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 2 TB Corsair MP600 R2, 4 + 8 TB Seagate Barracuda 3.5"
Display(s)	Dell S3422DWG, 7" Waveshare touchscreen
Case	Kolink Citadel Mesh black
Power Supply	Seasonic Prime GX-750
Mouse	Logitech MX Master 2S
Keyboard	Logitech G413 SE
Software	Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores	Cinebench R23 single-core: 1,800, multi-core: 18,000. Superposition 1080p Extreme: 9,900.

System Name	Lynni PS \ Lenowo TwinkPad L14 G2
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 7700 Raphael \ i5-1135G7 Tiger Lake-U
Motherboard	ASRock B650M PG Riptide Bios v. 2.02 AMD AGESA 1.1.0.0 \ Lenowo BDPLANAR Bios 1.68
Cooling	Noctua NH-D15 Chromax.Black (Only middle fan) \ Lenowo C-267C-2
Memory	G.Skill Flare X5 2x16GB DDR5 6000MHZ CL36-36-36-96 AMD EXPO \ Willk Elektronik 2x16GB 2666MHZ CL17
Video Card(s)	Asus GeForce RTX™ 4070 Dual OC GPU: 2325-2355 MEM: 1462\| Intel® Iris® Xe Graphics
Storage	Gigabyte M30 1TB\|Sabrent Rocket 2TB\| HDD: 10TB\|1TB \ WD RED SN700 1TB
Display(s)	LG UltraGear 27GP850-B 1440p@165Hz \| LG 48CX OLED 4K HDR \| Innolux 14" 1080p
Case	Asus Prime AP201 White Mesh \| Lenowo L14 G2 chassis
Audio Device(s)	Steelseries Arctis Pro Wireless
Power Supply	Be Quiet! Pure Power 12 M 750W Goldie \| 65W
Mouse	Logitech G305 Lightspeedy Wireless \| Lenowo TouchPad & Logitech G305
Keyboard	Akko 3108 DS Horizon V2 Cream Yellow \| L14 G2 UK Lumi
Software	Win11 Pro 23H2 UK
Benchmark Scores	3DMARK: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/89434432? GPU-Z: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/details/v3zbr

Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Motherboard	MSI MPG B550I Gaming Edge Wi-Fi ITX
Cooling	Scythe Fuma 2 rev. B Noctua NF-A12x25 Edition
Memory	2x16GiB G.Skill TridentZ DDR4 3200Mb/s CL14 F4-3200C14D-32GTZKW
Video Card(s)	PowerColor Radeon RX7800 XT Hellhound 16GiB
Storage	Western Digital Black SN850 WDS100T1X0E-00AFY0 1TiB, Western Digital Blue 3D WDS200T2B0A 2TiB
Display(s)	Dell G2724D 27" IPS 1440P 165Hz, ASUS VG259QM 25” IPS 1080P 240Hz
Case	Cooler Master NR200P ITX
Audio Device(s)	Altec Lansing 220, HyperX Cloud II
Power Supply	Corsair SF750 Platinum 750W SFX
Mouse	Lamzu Atlantis Mini Wireless
Keyboard	HyperX Alloy Origins Aqua

Processor	Ryzen 7800X3D -30 uv
Motherboard	AsRock Steel Legend B650
Cooling	MSI C360 AIO
Memory	32gb 6000 CL 30-36-36-76
Video Card(s)	MERC310 7900 XT -50 uv
Display(s)	NZXT Canvas IPS 1440p 165hz 27"
Case	NZXT H710 (Red/Black)
Audio Device(s)	HD58X, Asgard 2, Modi 3
Power Supply	Corsair RM850W

Processor	R5 5600X
Motherboard	ASUS ROG STRIX B550-I GAMING
Cooling	Alpenföhn Black Ridge
Memory	2*16GB DDR4-2666 VLP @3800
Video Card(s)	EVGA Geforce RTX 3080 XC3
Storage	1TB Samsung 970 Pro, 2TB Intel 660p
Display(s)	ASUS PG279Q, Eizo EV2736W
Case	Dan Cases A4-SFX
Power Supply	Corsair SF600
Mouse	Corsair Ironclaw Wireless RGB
Keyboard	Corsair K60
VR HMD	HTC Vive

Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

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Space Lynx

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Super Firm Tofu

System Name	Windows
Processor	13900K \| 7950X3D
Motherboard	Pro Z790-A WiFi \| X670 Aorus Elite AX
Cooling	Noctua NH-D15s \| Noctua NH-D15
Memory	32GB 6600 CL32 \| 64GB 6000 CL30
Video Card(s)	RTX 4090 \| RX 7900 XTX
Display(s)	MSI MAG401QR
Case	Phanteks P600s \| Antec P101s
Power Supply	Vertex GX-1000 \| Prime TX-850
Software	Win 11 Pro
Benchmark Scores	They suck.

System Name	ab┃ob
Processor	7800X3D┃5800X3D
Motherboard	B650E PG-ITX┃X570 Impact
Cooling	NH-U12A + T30┃AXP120-x67
Memory	64GB 6000CL30┃32GB 3600CL14
Video Card(s)	RTX 4070 Ti Eagle┃RTX A2000
Storage	8TB of SSDs┃1TB SN550
Case	Caselabs S3┃Lazer3D HT5

Processor	AMD R9 5900X
Motherboard	Asus Crosshair VIII Dark Hero
Cooling	Thermalright Aqua Elite 360 V3 1x TL-B12, 2x TL-C12 Pro, 2x TL K12
Memory	2x8 G.Skill Trident Z Royal 3200C14, 2x8GB G.Skill Trident Z Black and White 3200 C14
Video Card(s)	Zotac 4070 Ti Trinity OC
Storage	WD SN850 1TB, SN850X 2TB, Asus Hyper M.2, 2x SN770 1TB
Display(s)	LG 50UP7100
Case	Fractal Torrent Compact RGB
Audio Device(s)	JBL 2.1 Deep Bass
Power Supply	EVGA SuperNova 750w G+, Monster HDP1800
Mouse	Logitech G502 Hero
Keyboard	Logitech G213
VR HMD	Oculus 3
Software	Yes
Benchmark Scores	Yes

System Name	Work Computer \| Unfinished Computer
Processor	Core i7-6700 \| Ryzen 5 5600X
Motherboard	Dell Q170 \| Gigabyte Aorus Elite Wi-Fi
Cooling	A fan? \| Truly Custom Loop
Memory	4x4GB Crucial 2133 C17 \| 4x8GB Corsair Vengeance RGB 3600 C26
Video Card(s)	Dell Radeon R7 450 \| RTX 2080 Ti FE
Storage	Crucial BX500 2TB \| TBD
Display(s)	3x LG QHD 32" GSM5B96 \| TBD
Case	Dell \| Heavily Modified Phanteks P400
Power Supply	Dell TFX Non-standard \| EVGA BQ 650W
Mouse	Monster No-Name $7 Gaming Mouse\| TBD