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Other than what is at the bottom of the comparison list on TH, what other thermal pastes are the worst, including those from the past?

By worst, I mean greater than 5 degrees worse than the best. I know, I know, that is probably a lot.

I guess I should've made this statement: I'm actually a tester. I have Alphacool Silver, which really does suck. After I'm done with the rest of my AIO tests, which are to find the best positions, I'm going to do videos on large fans and run TIM tests. I have a bag of I guess 30 right now, plus the ones with coolers in my inventory. I also have pads, but the vendor sent most of them without labels and went out of business.

I won't be able to do lab-grade testing, although I have an idea for a device that might work, but I'm not sure how I should use a pot to vary the temp. I really appreciate what people wrote above but I'm not actually looking for advice; not that I won't read and consider it, though!

So, I wanted to start with the crappiest ones first, thus my question.
 
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Hmm i don't really know. But i would guess the cheap gue pre applied to some stock cpu coolers or paste that come with those ultra cheap and crappy cpu coolers on example wish.com or temu or AliExpress.

Else i don't really know what the apselute crappiest paste is.
 
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Basically any of the bubblegum flavored $$$/year you see marketed right alongside components that idle above 90C. :)
 
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As far as I can tell, the poorest performing TIMs are the pre-applied ones on coldplates. These are always formulated to be far less viscous than the stuff in syringes so they have less tendency to spread adequately. That's a big deal for me because I don't frequently apply thermal compound; I need something that handles well even by infrequent users like me. Those pre-applied ones are never brand labeled so I have no idea who made those pastes.

I'll use those pre-applied pastes during basic testing/initial hardware setup but once I'm satisfied that everything is working fine, I'll remove the factory stuff, clean the contact surfaces and apply a TIM that I'm familiar with, Arctic MX-4 or Noctua NT-H1. Those certainly aren't "the best" but I'm familiar with how to apply them satisfactorily.

Of course, the worst TIM is no TIM at all but sometimes I'll leave the TIM off if I'm setting up components for a new build just so I don't have to wipe it off. I'll clip on CPU cooler (I have an AMD Stealth Prism) just so I can get into the BIOS, maybe install the operating system, etc. I wouldn't run it at length with a serious workload but there's always enough contact to do mundane stuff.
 
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Other than what is at the bottom of the comparison list on TH, what other thermal pastes are the worst, including those from the past?

By worst, I mean greater than 5 degrees worse than the best. I know, I know, that is probably a lot.

This is a never ending discussion, there are numerous tests and advices out there with different angles of approach and interpretation of the results.
Reliabillity of the testing and therefore the results, are mainly dictated by the uniformity of testing parameters, execution and most of all prevention of variables, which imo can only be reached under controlled (laboratory) conditions which not many testers can comply to (despite their best intentions and effort).

If you are eager to gain 5 degrees Celsius in cooling capacity with a TIM, don't you think it is wiser to reconsider your cooling solution as a whole? TIM has only a minor impact if used correctly (I already feel comments coming :p) , it is just an interface between your Die/IHS and the cooling solution that has to dissipiate the generated heat as quick as possible.

This of course goes, provided the mating surfaces which the TIM has to be applied to, are flat and uniform so it only has to fill the macro/nano-gaps.
That's one of the reasons the lapping and delidding techniques emerged, just to squeeze that last drop of cooling efficiency, but a total different discussion.

Bottom line; if your cooling solution is capable of keeping your CPU/GPU well within the thermal limits, the TIM won't make the difference, it just has an impact over the overall efficiency of your cooling solution, not the capacity.
If you are running your components on the limit like a lot of peeps here do and want to get the highest benchmarks, than yes it can be benificial to go for the best or extreme solutions, but for regular use I personally think it is quite useless to dive deep into this aspect of cooling.

Just use the TIM's from the known brands that have a good reputation and stay away from the cheap unknown stuff and you're good.
 
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Hi,
There is already a thermal paste thread just browse through it I'm sure there are bad pastes and products nobody would think to use.
 
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Maybe those that harden intentionally, but they may be the ones that last the longest...
 
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I guess I should've made this statement: I'm actually a tester. I have Alphacool Silver, which really does suck. After I'm done with the rest of my AIO tests, which are to find the best positions, I'm going to do videos on large fans and run TIM tests. I have a bag of I guess 30 right now, plus the ones with coolers in my inventory. I also have pads, but the vendor sent most of them without labels and went out of business.

I won't be able to do lab-grade testing, although I have an idea for a device that might work, but I'm not sure how I should use a pot to vary the temp. I really appreciate what people wrote above but I'm not actually looking for advice; not that I won't read and consider it, though!

So, I wanted to start with the crappiest ones first, thus my question.
 
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worst as in temps? those graphite sheets. But love them because they are reusable.

application? probably that IC diamond stuff, hard as pottery clay, and leaves pits

dangerous? liquid metal if you are a newb
 
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Liquid metal and aluminum don't go well together

 
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I guess I should've made this statement: I'm actually a tester.
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So, I wanted to start with the crappiest ones first, thus my question.
Well in that case, you are the one who should be telling us. If you want some inkling of where to start, follow the TH list.

I can't speak for everyone here but I have no interest in shelling out hundreds of dollars to test thermal pastes that Tom's Hardware says all pretty much perform within a few degrees Celsius of each other regardless.

There are probably a couple of people who have had experience with more than 10 pastes over a decade plus of using them but no regular PC owner will test them side-by-side.

And even if someone were to *give* me all the pastes to try for free (which no one will do), what the heck would I do with a 5 lb. bucket of industrial thermal paste after I've frittered away a day or two of my life testing thermal pastes? It's not like I can frost a cake with TIM or sprinkle it in my garden to make my veggies grow healthier.

And for what? To arrive at a list that probably looks close to the TH one? Maybe a couple of positions might be flipped but there's not going to be any major revelation. Someone at TH is getting PAID to do that testing.

To be honest if I wanted to dump a few hundred bucks on side-by-side product testing, it most certainly wouldn't be TIM. I'd pick something like wine, spirits, imported butter, cheeses, chocolate, something else. And I bet I could round up a few friends to help me with the trials.

Even testing bathroom cleaner would be better. At least I can use up a bottle of leftover cleaner or give it away.
 
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I wonder how good no TIM is if one has lapped the surfaces to match.

I seem to recall that the 2 CV had cylinder heads that were lapped instead of a head gasket.
 
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I wonder how good no TIM is if one has lapped the surfaces to match.
Purely theoretical, it would absolutely be better.

Practically it is impossible to reach that flatness on a macro scale where you'll have a perfect match of both surfaces with current techniques.
 
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Purely theoretical, it would absolutely be better.

Practically it is impossible to reach that flatness on a macro scale where you'll have a perfect match of both surfaces with current techniques.
It might work in specialized circumstances where the two actual mating surfaces were known, like components on the James Webb Space Telescope.

PC components are commodity parts. They sit on a warehouse or store shelf until someone picks it up and pairs it with other component that also sat on shelf somewhere else. There's no way to generate a surface to be a perfect match with another surface if you don't know which two surfaces will come into contact with each other.

And besides, this is really only a consideration where the budget allows for it. Again, PC parts are commodity items, they are designed to be produced with a cost effective process.

But it's borderline nonsense here at the consumer level, using consumer parts in a consumer environment at a consumer budget.
 
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It might work in specialized circumstances where the two actual mating surfaces were known, like components on the James Webb Space Telescope.

PC components are commodity parts. They sit on a warehouse or store shelf until someone picks it up and pairs it with other component that also sat on shelf somewhere else. There's no way to generate a surface to be a perfect match with another surface if you don't know which two surfaces will come into contact with each other.

And besides, this is really only a consideration where the budget allows for it. Again, PC parts are commodity items, they are designed to be produced with a cost effective process.

But it's borderline nonsense here at the consumer level, using consumer parts at a consumer budget.
Yup, in space it works because there is pretty much a constant temperature of 2.7 Kelvin (−270 °C; −455 °F).
For your PC components, if it even was commercially possible to reach that precision, you'll have fluctuating temperatures thus also have to consider the variables of the expansion coefficients of different materials that will have impact.

To quote cvaldes accurate colorful description which I fully support: 'Borderline nonsense' in this context :D
 
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Well in that case, you are the one who should be telling us. If you want some inkling of where to start, follow the TH list.

I can't speak for everyone here but I have no interest in shelling out hundreds of dollars to test thermal pastes that Tom's Hardware says all pretty much perform within a few degrees Celsius of each other regardless.

There are probably a couple of people who have had experience with more than 10 pastes over a decade plus of using them but no regular PC owner will test them side-by-side.

And even if someone were to *give* me all the pastes to try for free (which no one will do), what the heck would I do with a 5 lb. bucket of industrial thermal paste after I've frittered away a day or two of my life testing thermal pastes? It's not like I can frost a cake with TIM or sprinkle it in my garden to make my veggies grow healthier.

And for what? To arrive at a list that probably looks close to the TH one? Maybe a couple of positions might be flipped but there's not going to be any major revelation. Someone at TH is getting PAID to do that testing.

To be honest if I wanted to dump a few hundred bucks on side-by-side product testing, it most certainly wouldn't be TIM. I'd pick something like wine, spirits, imported butter, cheeses, chocolate, something else. And I bet I could round up a few friends to help me with the trials.

Even testing bathroom cleaner would be better. At least I can use up a bottle of leftover cleaner or give it away.
Yo, I don't know what is going on in your life, and I'm sorry you're so upset. Please don't take it out on me, ok?

I thought it was understood that I have seen the TH list, and that I'm looking for what is NOT on the list that is bad. Start in the basement, work my way up. You don't have to appreciate, agree with, care about or help - that's your choice. I didn't ask for money or products or anything - just info. If you can't or won't help, that's completely ok. This is something I want to do and, since I've already got a bag of TIM, I might as well. If you don't want to, well, I didn't ask you to, and that's your choice anyways, not mine.

If my list ends up looking like TH's, I don't care. If it looks different, that's fine, too. I have a lack of faith in humanity, so I want to know for myself. I've seen too many shills, too many sell-outs, too many liars, and too many con-artists in my life to put significant trust in just about anyone. That's the sad fact of life. We're just pawns for the elites. Call them Illuminati, Free Masons, Satanists, politicians, lawyers, or whatever - it doesn't even matter. They are consumed by an insatiable desire for MORE, and most of them will throw anyone under the bullet train and then clean up the mess with a smile on their face.

I work for Amazon, which is a self-serving company that does NOT care about you, me or anyone, and is run by psychopaths, narcissists and sycophants. They screwed me over on a work injury by denying me worker's compensation after I spent 6 months doing a job that ruined my shoulder and they refused to give me the assistance that, by policy, was required, and now the financial support that they should. I hope someone puts a slug in Bezos's head by firing through every other senior member of that fucking company. They are shit on the shoe of the world and the worst part is that there are plenty of companies that are worse than Amazon.

I'm trying to get to a place in my life where I don't have to work for shitty companies like that, and pathetic human beings who just make Earth into Hell for their own gratification, and I know that it'll probably never happen, so I really don't need people raining on my intentions and plans with their negativity.

The irony of what YOU would do is:
1) I fully encourage you to go ahead and do it.
2) I do reviews of food and beverages too, and other stuff. I have reviewed over 200 chocolate bars and even did a 100+ bar comparison series, which fucked me up for a while because of how much sugar is in them.
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4) You're not doing those things, are you? Get up off your ass and do it if that's what interests you, but don't come at people who are doing something that you don't want to do and don't value.

So, it boils down to this: I asked for info. If you want to contribute, fantastic. If you don't, then just don't respond. I don't need your negativity, so maybe you might want to think about reading the Power of Positive Thinking, the Magic of Thinking Big or some other self-help book to help you move past whatever has turned you into such an unhappy person. I wish you success with that. Truly.

I wonder how good no TIM is if one has lapped the surfaces to match.

I seem to recall that the 2 CV had cylinder heads that were lapped instead of a head gasket.
Someone did a video on YT about mating two surfaces by having them be super flat and smooth without the use of any kind of adhesive or whatever. Could've been Veritasium or Steve Mould, I don't recall. Here's a different one, though.
 
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I just don't see how well I'd be able to review TIMs and monetize the reviews to the point that they would make more money than me doing other things with my waking hours.

Apparently you have access (discounted or free) to TIMs for testing. Most of us here do not so that's already a sticking point. Somehow you carefully ignored this detail which I assume you will do again.

If you want to review food and beverage, consider spitting. The pros do (tea, coffee, beer, wine, spirits, etc.). Taste not eat.

I did contribute by saying that I think the worst TIMs are the ones that are pre-applied on coldplates.

When you finalize your list of reviewed TIMs, let us know. I know there are some who will be fascinated by your list.

Best of luck with your endeavors!
 

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Worst I've ever seen is IC Diamond 7. There was much drama over that here at TPU...
 
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I just don't see how well I'd be able to review TIMs and monetize the reviews to the point that they would make more money than me doing other things with my waking hours.
Maybe not, but it's not the only project for my tech channel.

Apparently you have access (discounted or free) to TIMs for testing.
I got them from a company that was going out of business, if you must know.
Most of us here do not so that's already a sticking point. Somehow you carefully ignored this detail which I assume you will do again.
How is it a sticking point? I'm just asking people what they know, letting them contribute in whatever way they can. So, I'm not ignoring anything - you're making an erroneous inference, and being rude. Again, if you want to be rude, go elsewhere. I guarantee that I am bad entertainment value for trolls and grumpy people.
If you want to review food and beverage, consider spitting. The pros do (tea, coffee, beer, wine, spirits, etc.). Taste not eat.
Look, I didn't ask for you advice on that, and your hostility already disinclines me to listen to you. That channel was monetized a year or so ago, and I've got so many thousands of reviews that YouTube can't even count them. Then again, YT Studio is miserably bad at enumerating the number of videos you have once they get into the hundreds. I'm not bragging - I'm just stating facts. It's not like the channel earns enough yet for my expenses to be covered, let alone for me to quit my job.
I did contribute by saying that I think the worst TIMs are the ones that are pre-applied on coldplates.
Thank you.
When you finalize your list of reviewed TIMs, let us know. I know there are some who will be fascinated by your list.

Best of luck with your endeavors!
It won't happen anytime soon.
Thank you. I hope that you find something that'll make you happy.
 
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Will you include hard setting TIM? (to resist pump-out)
 
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Reading TPU is very entertaining for sure!

Thank you!

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