p4 gaming

For those of us with a socket 478 system, there was a time when the pentium 4 c was the king of the hill. does noone remember when the 2.4c came out with the 875 and 865 chipset? it killed the athlon xp and remained king for about 6 months or so before the athlon 64 became well established. personally, i bought my socket 478 system back in january 2004 and it had a 2.6c and a 9800 pro. now it has a 3.4 EE and an x800xt AIW. it will outrun low end athlon 64s at stock, and will beat a 3400+ at 3.8ghz, when it comes to gaming. not to mention the smoothness of multitasking offered by hyper threading. so before you bash people for having "stupid pentium 4s" look back to when it was still, believe it or not you AMD fanboy, KING!

but there were like 50 or so engineering sample voodoo 5 6000's out there that people managed to get working

About 100. ;) I own a HiNT Rev.3700-A and a Rev.3400-A3 myself (A3 still works). With bridge chips, you can theoretically even use several PCI-E Devices on an AGP Slot (nVidia HSI!?). This means less development effort..

I doubt that AGP really died for any other reason than making additional money by selling fancy new platforms (boards, RAM, CPUs..).

heh, yea, the 2.4c was intel's last shread of hope for the entire p4 platform. it's been a rock in the pond since prescott

Why are there 2 different cards pictured?? Those arent the same cards if you look closely at them. Look at the actual connection. One has 3 the other has 4..

it's the same card .. i accidentially cut too much away on the front image when removing the background. you have sharp eyes ;)

that almost looks like it "may" be 512 bit can anyone confirm?

This was a thread about the R520 right?

Guys all massively off topic - I got bored looking at the posts as most of them aren't even enything to do with the thread itself - surely those comments can be posted somewhere where popel reading actually care about what you are saying.

I doubt if whinging about no AGP version is going to change anything, accept it, look at your options and move on.

@ Professional guy who does 3d work - surely you need an open GL thread somewhere - thanks for the piccies of those relics though, real interesting..............not!!

Although i do remember them, they are hardly the sort of thing you are looking for on a site called tech power-up, you need retro world or tech power down.

The only thing I wanted to say about this card is how long it looks - anyone with a shuttle can forget it - anyone with a midi tower whos X850 is wedged in can forget it to.

R520 has just 16 pipes standard, a few 24 pipe and 32 pipe uniuts are out there but will not be released to the general public for sale at this point as Ati simply cant get high enough yield to support it's console supply agreements and the PC market. Thats not to say they wont be available it's just by the time it is, G71 from Nvidia will be released 90nm with shader model 4 support and 32pipes (possibly 512MB RAM too).

Crossfire master cards will not be available until Novemebr at the very earliest.

UnregisteredGuys all massively off topic - I got bored looking at the posts as most of them aren't even enything to do with the thread itself - surely those comments can be posted somewhere where popel reading actually care about what you are saying.

I doubt if whinging about no AGP version is going to change anything, accept it, look at your options and move on.

@ Professional guy who does 3d work - surely you need an open GL thread somewhere - thanks for the piccies of those relics though, real interesting..............not!!

Although i do remember them, they are hardly the sort of thing you are looking for on a site called tech power-up, you need retro world or tech power down.

The only thing I wanted to say about this card is how long it looks - anyone with a shuttle can forget it - anyone with a midi tower whos X850 is wedged in can forget it to.

R520 has just 16 pipes standard, a few 24 pipe and 32 pipe uniuts are out there but will not be released to the general public for sale at this point as Ati simply cant get high enough yield to support it's console supply agreements and the PC market. Thats not to say they wont be available it's just by the time it is, G71 from Nvidia will be released 90nm with shader model 4 support and 32pipes (possibly 512MB RAM too).

Crossfire master cards will not be available until Novemebr at the very earliest.

g71 was canceled ;)

and the pipes stuff is just rumor as far as i know or do you know something that i dont?

shitty card poopy

i whipe my bum with that card lol

XooMHave you ever done any proffesional graphics work in your life? Have you looked at benchmarks of this nature? PCI-E 16x blows AGP out of the water completely for proffesional 3d work. Not everyone uses their computers to play games. Some of us actually do work with them that requires as much bandwidth as we can get our grubby hands on.
Also, the true advantages to PCI-E lie elsewhere; it's far more scaleable than PCI ever was. With PCI-E, one can truly use gigabit NICs. One can truly use multiple gigabit NICs. One can use far larger storage controllers because of the much more massive amount of bandwidth present. in a dinky little x1 slot, you have more bandwidth than a 64bit PCI lane which is several times larger.
PCI-Express isn't there only to serve up a new platform for videocards; that is merely a byproduct that will be adapted eventually, just as each AGP standard has been adapted over the ages, and PCI was adapted to from ISA. I bet there used to be people saying "why would i ever want PCI? Who on earth really needs that bandwidth?! ISA still has more than enough!"

What are you talking about?
64-bit x 133MHz = 1064MB/s (PCI-X)
32-bit x 100MHz = 400MB/s (PCIe)

Most important about PCIe is that it's discrete: slots don't share bandwidth.

hope there will be vesion with out vacuum cleaner at the top of the card =)... heh 3.0ghz and x800xt video card and that dude is going to want to buy even better b4 vista=) sorry but i think thats waste of money if you dont want to compete others with overclocking.... i have 1.7ghz p4 with 9700 pro and 768 ram and i dont have anyproblems in the games... ofcourse i cant get all the candy but still. why waste that mutch money every year to computer =).

btw looks like im going for the intel´s next time that vt thing is quite nice=)

Umm the "g71" was something the inquirer made up... It was never an official nvidia card!

"Umm the "g71" was something the inquirer made up... It was never an official nvidia card!"

It was (and still is) an active project, just delayed for the moment due to marketing strategy.

The single slot versions are akin to the 7800 solution just to give everyone an idea.

Cheers.

UnregisteredWhat are you talking about?
64-bit x 133MHz = 1064MB/s (PCI-X)
32-bit x 100MHz = 400MB/s (PCIe)

Most important about PCIe is that it's discrete: slots don't share bandwidth.

If your going to quote some sum's at least be acurate by them!!!

The x indicates a lane, or a grouping of four wires. Initially, PCI-E cards will be available in four different types of groupings: x1, x4 , x8, and x16. Each four-wire grouping would allow up to 250MB per second of sustained throughput, yielding up to 4GB per second for each direction with an x16 PCI-E card.

If your going to quote some sum's at least be acurate by them!!!!


That'll be sums the plural rather than sum's the possessive, and accurate - almost ;o)

R520 XT will come with 32 pixel pipelines ( 24 in most versions ) so don't worry, nvidia won't be a problem for ATI anymore.
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The rumors of The inquirer are all wrong.

UnregisteredR520 XT will come with 32 pixel pipelines ( 24 in most versions ) so don't worry, nvidia won't be a problem for ATI anymore.
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The rumors of The inquirer are all wrong.

Hello Red_star, still liveing in your own world I see.

Why no future AGP cards?

BigMikeWhat's with everyone not making AGP cards? Do they not know that 90% of gamers are still using AGP? Talk about limiting your potential customer base. I'm planning on building a new computer when Windows Vista is finally out to meet it's high requirements, but I don't think I should have to buy a new motherboard now just for a frickin' PCI Express slot! I've got a P4 3Ghz, 1GB Corsair DDR400, etc. that would still be fine if someone would just make a good video card that still used AGP to hold me over till Vista. So the best I'll ever get is an X850 XT? That's stupid. I've got the money ATI and nVidia...just make me the card. And I'm sure I'm not the only one that would buy them!

You got the same thing as me. I got a 3GHZ Pentium 4 1GB RAm and an nVidia 5950Ultra. The only reason why card makers are not making AGP cards is becuase they are greedy and want people to buy dual graphics solutions. Most people do not need to spend all the money for 2 graphics cards they only need one good one. AGP has been the standard for years and PCIe is still only about a year old. I heard that ATI was going to make AGP version of their cards but I guess that changed. This is very upsetting to me because all I want to do is prolong the gaming life of my pc and play battlefield 2 on high settings. with my nvidia 5950 ultra the game pnly runs smoothly on medium 1024x768 with no AA and no AF. I may buy an ATI x800XL it's got twice the performance of my current card and is faster than a 6800GT. and costs only $300. Still I want a next gen AGP card! Just one last generation of AGP. I don;lt want to spend $90-$200 on a new motherboard to get PCIe. And I don;t know of any mobos that support the 478 northwood CPU's and have a 16x PCIe slot. In another 2-3 years I'll end up buying a new pc anyway.

dual cards do not have more bandwidth one runs at agp speeds and the other one runs at pcie speeds
so no gane is spped with the other card ya it makes your card run faster because it is only doing haf so thire is an increas in power but not realy speed

Acctully in crossfire, they run at 2 8x slots speeds, and their is more bandwidth because there is two cards running on one board. But it dosen't increase the bandwidth of one slot itself. Just the amout of bandwidth of the cards to rest of the computer. And PCI-E does have more bandwidth than AGP, just not as noticable in gaming. You only see it in benchies of professional editiing like Xoom said. But back to orginal topic, what a sweet looking card lol. :)

-Dan

chill out ....holy shit!
besides i heard from a freind that ati was making a gfx card with a core of 600...and it was unstable...i love ati but i heard it none the less.

LTDDevilFucking N00bs, Cant U All See Its Fucking Fake U Dickheads

Calm down, don't get a hernia lol. How do you know its a fake, and how are people n00bs for looking at a pic of a video card. :rolleyes:

-Dan

R520 XT will come with 32 pixel pipelines ( 24 in most versions ) so don't worry, nvidia won't be a problem for ATI anymore.
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Only ten r520 cards have 32 pipes. The rest are either 24 or 16 pipes. If the clock speeds are as high as mentioned, then 16 pipes is probably what it's going to be.

The only reason why card makers are not making AGP cards is becuase they are greedy and want people to buy dual graphics solutions. Most people do not need to spend all the money for 2 graphics cards they only need one good one.

GPU makers are just all out to get you, right? :rollseyes:

"Umm the "g71" was something the inquirer made up... It was never an official nvidia card!"

It was (and still is) an active project, just delayed for the moment due to marketing strategy.

Finally, some truth! :)

AGP is a dying breed. Yes it is all that is needed for videocards of today, but then remember agp is on the same bus as all your pci slots, so sound blaster audigy 2 + 6800ultra + whatever else you may have in your pci slots = bottlneck. what seperates pci express from agp is the fact that its bandwidth isnt determined by the southbridge anymore. that and we'd have to go to pci express eventually anyway, its the next step, along with 64 bit computing... so why not just go along for the ride... plus, buying a new processor, motherboard, ram, and videocard to do that upgrade isnt really that bad now is it?