Wednesday, August 27th 2008
Phenom FX in the Works, AMD to take Another shot at...Kentsfield
The transition of the K10 architecture by AMD to the 45nm silicon fabrication process is stirring up interesting revelations these days. First, it was about surprisingly low power consumption of the quad-core Phenom parts, and then about the overclocking headroom those 45nm parts provided, at least the engineering samples did so far. And now, news coming in that AMD could be resurrecting the "FX" series of extreme performance products. Over the past three or so years, the performance trail AMD products had over Intel's made it close to impossible for AMD to sell parts that provide performance tuning advantages such as unlocked FSB multiplier settings for a premium, like it did back when K8 reigned the performance segment. "Black Edition" chips made up for that deficit by providing consumers overclocking advantages while not charging a significant premium and at the same time, safeguarding the "FX" title, not letting it dilute.
Come AMD Deneb core and lot seems to be on offer. To begin with, unlike the Windsor core that had a maximum FSB multiplier of 16.0x, initial reports suggest the Deneb to sport a maximum 25.0x multiplier, 200 MHz x 25 = 5.00 GHz, with the FSB left to play with. Considering at 2.30 GHz the Deneb draws in 57.3 W (according to findings), it should still leave enough room for AMD to sell premium products clocked at high frequencies.
From Reviewage's findings, there seem to be two Phenom FX processors in the making. The numbering seems to take off where it last left at the Athlon64 FX 74. The two chips, Phenom FX 80 and Phenom FX 82 could be clocked at 4.00 GHz and 4.40 GHz respectively (stock speeds). An interesting statement is that at 4.00 GHz, the Phenom FX 80 should outperform an Intel Kentsfield core clocked at 5.00 GHz, implies it has to be faster than the Kentsfield on a clock-to-clock basis. This opens up an interesting debate on how these parts compare to the succeeding Yorkfield chips. This should also open gates for several models to enter the market at various clock speeds.
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Reviewage
Come AMD Deneb core and lot seems to be on offer. To begin with, unlike the Windsor core that had a maximum FSB multiplier of 16.0x, initial reports suggest the Deneb to sport a maximum 25.0x multiplier, 200 MHz x 25 = 5.00 GHz, with the FSB left to play with. Considering at 2.30 GHz the Deneb draws in 57.3 W (according to findings), it should still leave enough room for AMD to sell premium products clocked at high frequencies.
294 Comments on Phenom FX in the Works, AMD to take Another shot at...Kentsfield
Lets take the Core 2 LGA 775.
1. x9xx series for support up to 1066 FSB CPUs
2. x3x seres for 1333 FSB CPUs
3. x48 and later series for 1600 FSB CPUs
Since AMD boards don't have a separate chip for the memory on the board, a simple BIOS update will allow for an upgrade.
Intel should be the same as AMD from Nahalem on.
this was the first post on the cpu below (awesome check it - dated from 21st aug 2008)
forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17910794&page=1
the motherboards that support it it that i found in one search
www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-016-FC
www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-264-AS&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=805&name=Asus%20M3A%20AMD%20770%20(Socket%20AM2)%20PCI-Express%20DDR2%20Motherboard
the phenom 65nm has reached 4+ghz by a German over clocker (currently amd record for quad core) so wont be a problem for 45nm deneb :toast:
I'm an AMD Fanboi, but I don't think they had this ace up their sleeve the whole time.
Also, we should not forget that AMD constantly lives with the dilemma that it is out-resourced and out-spent in comparison with Intel. If it reveals too much about its future strategy and Intel likes that strategy there is at least the theoretical chance that Intel could take this idea and deliver a product even before AMD. This was probably a key reason for the company to switch its entire communications strategy and remain completely quiet about a new product until it exactly knows its specs and capabilities – and is convinced that Nvidia or Intel can’t beat it to market anymore.:banghead:
You have AMD's fab in Dresden, but technology centers all over, HQ in California, US.
edit: nvm, that was redundant haha
I'm going to say with almost certainty that this 4 ghz (stock) deneb is 100% bull. It's not really possible considering the materials used haven't changed. Bulldozer could be another story.
I'm willing to bet they will not launch at 4+GHz, and I'm especially willing to bet they don't beat a 5GHz Intel quad at those speeds.
K10 is slower than Core2 clock for clock, a die shrink and a few tweaks isn't gonna suddenly make them faster than the Intels. Maybe they can come closer, perhaps even match kentsfield, but they aren't gonna beat Intel in overall performance.
Then you have to factor in i7.
I say this is FUD.
Then again, what do I know? I just wont hold me breath.....cause I dont like turning purple! :rockout: