Wednesday, August 27th 2008

Phenom FX in the Works, AMD to take Another shot at...Kentsfield

The transition of the K10 architecture by AMD to the 45nm silicon fabrication process is stirring up interesting revelations these days. First, it was about surprisingly low power consumption of the quad-core Phenom parts, and then about the overclocking headroom those 45nm parts provided, at least the engineering samples did so far. And now, news coming in that AMD could be resurrecting the "FX" series of extreme performance products. Over the past three or so years, the performance trail AMD products had over Intel's made it close to impossible for AMD to sell parts that provide performance tuning advantages such as unlocked FSB multiplier settings for a premium, like it did back when K8 reigned the performance segment. "Black Edition" chips made up for that deficit by providing consumers overclocking advantages while not charging a significant premium and at the same time, safeguarding the "FX" title, not letting it dilute.

Come AMD Deneb core and lot seems to be on offer. To begin with, unlike the Windsor core that had a maximum FSB multiplier of 16.0x, initial reports suggest the Deneb to sport a maximum 25.0x multiplier, 200 MHz x 25 = 5.00 GHz, with the FSB left to play with. Considering at 2.30 GHz the Deneb draws in 57.3 W (according to findings), it should still leave enough room for AMD to sell premium products clocked at high frequencies.
From Reviewage's findings, there seem to be two Phenom FX processors in the making. The numbering seems to take off where it last left at the Athlon64 FX 74. The two chips, Phenom FX 80 and Phenom FX 82 could be clocked at 4.00 GHz and 4.40 GHz respectively (stock speeds). An interesting statement is that at 4.00 GHz, the Phenom FX 80 should outperform an Intel Kentsfield core clocked at 5.00 GHz, implies it has to be faster than the Kentsfield on a clock-to-clock basis. This opens up an interesting debate on how these parts compare to the succeeding Yorkfield chips. This should also open gates for several models to enter the market at various clock speeds.
Source: Reviewage
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294 Comments on Phenom FX in the Works, AMD to take Another shot at...Kentsfield

#126
TheGuruStud
Server parts should come out just before years end, but desktop parts will have to wait. Hasn't that been the consensus for a while now?
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#127
springs113
TheGuruStudServer parts should come out just before years end, but desktop parts will have to wait. Hasn't that been the consensus for a while now?
weren't the phenoms (agena) slated to come out the january of 2008...but in actuality they came out in late nov early dec of last year...what makes us think that amd wont pull the same thing...the 4800s were suppose to come out later than they actually did...didn't they?

don't you guys think that this is exactly what amd wants...the animosity/intensity in the way we are all talking about its products that we really haven't no clue about....

ALL THIS JUST MEANS 1 THING....THE BUZZ ABOUT AMD IS BACK....HOPEFULLY FOR GOOD THIS TIME...
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#129
candle_86
nah 4.4 is to low, i heard 16.6ghz 2nm phenom
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#130
TheGuruStud
springs113weren't the phenoms (agena) slated to come out the january of 2008...but in actuality they came out in late nov early dec of last year...what makes us think that amd wont pull the same thing...the 4800s were suppose to come out later than they actually did...didn't they?

don't you guys think that this is exactly what amd wants...the animosity/intensity in the way we are all talking about its products that we really haven't no clue about....

ALL THIS JUST MEANS 1 THING....THE BUZZ ABOUT AMD IS BACK....HOPEFULLY FOR GOOD THIS TIME...
This is a little different. It's mostly just a shrink and they've had ES for a while now. It's getting closer and closer and AMD keeps saying it's on tack as per the time line I said. Plus, AMD literally and figuratively can't afford deneb to be any later than it already is (and of course they know this, you can bet they're working really long days).
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#131
Bluefox1115
Well lets see. If a QX9770 can run at over 3GHz stock and overclock to over 5GHz, then why isn't it possible for a processor to meet somewhere in the middle, around 4GHz, say.? I mean, come on, an E8500 can run at 4.5GHz with a damn Zalman 9700, and Intels tend to run hotter than AMD anyways, so why is it impossible to have a 45nm AMD run at 4.0, when the current ones can run at 3.6 and on a 65nm die?????????


EDIT: Also, if AMD can release a 3.2GHz 90nm processor, an extra 800MHz, and a die shrink of 50% is definately possible seeing how TDP will be cut in half.
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#132
springs113
Guru...thats my point....i really do believe that these will come out b4 its time
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#133
TheGuruStud
springs113Guru...thats my point....i really do believe that these will come out b4 its time
Oh, I thought you meant that they'll get delayed (which is the norm) :confused:
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#134
From_Nowhere
A 4.0-4.4GHz Phenom FX? I want to say "Bull****" but I will wait till the Phenom FX is released.
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#135
HAL7000
the notorious paper trail....I hope the hell this is true.

If not I will be buying Intel for the remainder of my cursed life...lol
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#137
ASharp
That seems like a rather huge jump for AMD. Once again like a lot of these articles, I'll believe it when I see it. I hope it's true for AMD's sake since [deity] knows I love 'em. Gonna have to pick myself up a Deneb when they come out for sure!
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#138
Wile E
Power User
Bluefox1115Well lets see. If a QX9770 can run at over 3GHz stock and overclock to over 5GHz, then why isn't it possible for a processor to meet somewhere in the middle, around 4GHz, say.? I mean, come on, an E8500 can run at 4.5GHz with a damn Zalman 9700, and Intels tend to run hotter than AMD anyways, so why is it impossible to have a 45nm AMD run at 4.0, when the current ones can run at 3.6 and on a 65nm die?????????


EDIT: Also, if AMD can release a 3.2GHz 90nm processor, an extra 800MHz, and a die shrink of 50% is definately possible seeing how TDP will be cut in half.
Considering the 3Ghz 45nm Phenom is slated to consume 125W according the xbit link posted by bvb123 above, there is no way Deneb is gonna stock at 4GHz, unless they want it to draw 200+W.

And sorry, but the current phenoms are hotter running than the Intel Quads.
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#139
fullinfusion
Vanguard Beta Tester
it's all a marketing scheme.... ya watch.... AMd brings out a 4-4.5 quad and intel will bump there cpu also.... at least the amd is a true 4 pipe cpu.... i seen on a few web sites amd @ 4ghz clock for clock beats intel.... sh!t cant wait!!!... i run 3ghz against an intel 3gz settup using the same setup and gpu, it takes the intel 3.6 to take the led in any bench... and it's not by that much!!:eek:....
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#140
Wile E
Power User
fullinfusionit's all a marketing scheme.... ya watch.... AMd brings out a 4-4.5 quad and intel will bump there cpu also.... at least the amd is a true 4 pipe cpu.... i seen on a few web sites amd @ 4ghz clock for clock beats intel.... sh!t cant wait!!!... i run 3ghz against an intel 3gz settup using the same setup and gpu, it takes the intel 3.6 to take the led in any bench... and it's not by that much!!:eek:....
Bullshit. I am officially calling you out. Your cpu at 3Ghz is not as fast as mine at the majority of everything.

You have a better gpu, so graphical benches are out. But feel free to pick cpu benches.
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#141
fullinfusion
Vanguard Beta Tester
Wile EConsidering the 3Ghz 45nm Phenom is slated to consume 125W according the xbit link posted by bvb123 above, there is no way Deneb is gonna stock at 4GHz, unless they want it to draw 200+W.

And sorry, but the current phenoms are hotter running than the Intel Quads.
well depends on the site you check out.... i see it runs @ less than 1.20v.... so if ppl cant afford the hydro bill every month.... than i say........ well..... oh well! im running my Phenom 9850 @ 3.5GHz @ 1.40v.... temp is 37c.... load hit's mid 40's....:D
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#142
fullinfusion
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fullinfusionwell depends on the site you check out.... i see it runs @ less than 1.20v.... so if ppl cant afford the hydro bill every month.... than i say........ well..... oh well! im running my Phenom 9850 @ 3.5GHz @ 1.40v.... temp is 37c.... load hit's mid 40's....:D
ok this is 3.000000Ghz on the core..... gpu @ 835 and memory @ 955..... so here take a look....
im just showing what i get.... no Bullshit..
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#143
Wile E
Power User
fullinfusionok this is 3.000000Ghz on the core..... gpu @ 835 and memory @ 955..... so here take a look....
im just showing what i get.... no Bullshit..
That's a graphics bench, and you have a faster video card than me, so we can't compare 3DMark, unless it's only the cpu tests.

But anyway, what was your cpu score on that bench?
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#144
fullinfusion
Vanguard Beta Tester
Wile EThat's a graphics bench, and you have a faster video card than me, so we can't compare 3DMark, unless it's only the cpu tests.

But anyway, what was your cpu score on that bench?
not as high as yours wile.... i cant remember the figures man.... all i know is mark 06 is more cpu bound than gpu.... im dl'ing vantage right now and will post my results when done.... i'll be @ 3.01 ghz cpu and gpu @ 835-955memory.... sound interesting? no bs man just the fact's...:respect:
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#145
fullinfusion
Vanguard Beta Tester
Wile EThat's a graphics bench, and you have a faster video card than me, so we can't compare 3DMark, unless it's only the cpu tests.

But anyway, what was your cpu score on that bench?
do i need to install any patch's for Vantage Wile?
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#146
Wile E
Power User
fullinfusiondo i need to install any patch's for Vantage Wile?
Vantage should be at 1.01. So either download the 1.01 version, or if you already have 1.0 started, grab the 1.01 hotfix/update to go with it.
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#147
fullinfusion
Vanguard Beta Tester
Wile EVantage should be at 1.01. So either download the 1.01 version, or if you already have 1.0 started, grab the 1.01 hotfix/update to go with it.
na got the 1.01 and you want me to run 3.01 @1146 memory MHz or 892mhz? your call.... i just wana show ya what it's doing.... 1146 @ 5.5.6.15.24 or 892 @ 4.4.4.12.20.... it's up to you man.... whatever you wanna see ill bench just to give ya an idea...:respect:
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#148
fullinfusion
Vanguard Beta Tester
fullinfusionna got the 1.01 and you want me to run 3.01 @1146 memory MHz or 892mhz? your call.... i just wana show ya what it's doing.... 1146 @ 5.5.6.15.24 or 892 @ 4.4.4.12.20.... it's up to you man.... whatever you wanna see ill bench just to give ya an idea...:respect:
well im using 1146mhz on the mem @ a NB freq of 2365mhz with a HT link of 2150 and the memory will be unganged may be a tad slower in mark06 but not sure how she responds in Vantage..... let's see what happens...:rolleyes:
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#149
Wile E
Power User
I can't unlink my mem, so I'll match as close as I can. If I have to err, I'll err lower than you in mem.
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#150
Wile E
Power User
QX9650 @ 3GHz, mem at 1113 5-5-6-15

Vantage CPU score = 12174

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