AMD Preparing ''Thuban'' Desktop Six-Core Processor

[btarunr]

yes, but more cache AND the faster interconnect would be better no doubt. I know that 30mb cache is a ways off for now. But then again, so was 1TB in a single hard disk a few years ago....it can be done...it is just a matter of time until it is. 30MB Cache may not happen until AM4 or 5 comes out but it will happen.

Interconnect is fast enough. What you're basically getting at is "build a 12-lane highway and four 100,000+ square foot supermarkets for a town with 5000 pop."

 

[Troubled]

Interconnect is fast enough. What you're basically getting at is "build a 12-lane highway and four 100,000+ square foot supermarkets for a town with 5000 pop."

If that is the way you see it then yes. There is no such thing as "Fast Enough" when it comes to computers. Computers are ever-expanding in speed, and complexity. For a time, the Pentium processor was "Fast enough" now you wouldn't wish it on your enemy. Using your own metaphor....Yes it would seem a little excessive...but those 5000 people will have children, then their children will have children and the population expands. eventually, that 12 lane highway and the 4 supermarkets will not be enough.

 

[Disparia]

Above all, I just hope that AMD works on their south bridge performance, not just the feature-list.

 

[btarunr]

If that is the way you see it then yes. There is no such thing as "Fast Enough" when it comes to computers. Computers are ever-expanding in speed, and complexity. For a time, the Pentium processor was "Fast enough" now you wouldn't wish it on your enemy. Using your own metaphor....Yes it would seem a little excessive...but those 5000 people will have children, then their children will have children and the population expands. eventually, that 12 lane highway and the 4 supermarkets will not be enough.

Oh, so the transistors on the chip are going to "have children, then their children will have children" growing in numbers too?

The point here is there's no use adding cache and broadening system interface for six K10 cores. A living example of this is AMD claiming that moving from 2 MB to 6 MB L3 cache size contributed to a mere 5% performance advantage. So you know that cache size increase from here on will be inversely proportional to the performance advantage gained in doing so (for the present architecture).

Cache contributes to a significant chunk of the transistor count, and also power draw. Useless cache only adds to the chip's TDP, and efficiency takes a hit.

As for system interface, again, you don't need to excess. It only adds to the power draw while being useless.

 

[WarEagleAU]

Pretty impressive, but damn I just upgraded to the latest from AMD. I really wanted the 890FX (will settle for the 890GX for my htpc when I can build that). Damn AMD, kicking ass and making me sell good hardware

 

[Deleted member 67555]

Above all, I just hope that AMD works on their south bridge performance, not just the feature-list.

Yeah exactly

 

[mdm-adph]

The point here is there's no use adding cache and broadening system interface for six K10 cores. A living example of this is AMD claiming that moving from 2 MB to 6 MB L3 cache size contributed to a mere 5% performance advantage.

[citation needed]

I could've swore it's a bit more than that -- the Phenom II's make the first Phenom's look downright slow, from everything I've seen.

 

[btarunr]

[citation needed]

I could've swore it's a bit more than that -- the Phenom II's make the first Phenom's look downright slow, from everything I've seen.

 

[theeldest]

Headline from the Future:

AMD preparing "NGC 4725" Desktop 1024-Core Processor (named after a star in the Sextans constellation, which means Sexy Latinas),

 

[swaaye]

I think gamers will be much better off with a Core i5/i7 than this chip. You guys want really fast CPU cores and at most 4 of them probably. Phenom II cores can't hold a candle to Nehalem-based stuff and games barely care about >2 cores.

 

[TheGuruStud]

I think gamers will be much better off with a Core i5/i7 than this chip. You guys want really fast CPU cores and at most 4 of them probably. Phenom II cores can't hold a candle to Nehalem-based stuff and games barely care about >2 cores.

but I'd rather hold a candle to my hand than touch a nehalem

 

[Wile E]

but I'd rather hold a candle to my hand than touch a nehalem

Your loss then.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

I think gamers will be much better off with a Core i5/i7 than this chip. You guys want really fast CPU cores and at most 4 of them probably. Phenom II cores can't hold a candle to Nehalem-based stuff and games barely care about >2 cores.

I am confused, doesn't the AMD Phenom II's do slightly better in gaming tham the Nehalem....wait it does.

For my gaming friends with i7. Great processor. I got a 955BE on sale (at the time) for $225.00. I spent the ~$100 I save not going i7 on new games to play.

 

[Wile E]

I am confused, doesn't the AMD Phenom II's do slightly better in gaming tham the Nehalem....wait it does.

For my gaming friends with i7. Great processor. I got a 955BE on sale (at the time) for $225.00. I spent the ~$100 I save not going i7 on new games to play.

No, not really. Neither are better. Most games are GPU limited, so the cpu means little.

But the i7 spanks PII in everything else. Guess it depends on what's important to you. Gaming, or everything else. lol.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Your loss then.

It's a joke on their power consumption.

But I flat out will never purchase an intel product b/c of their business practices and ethics (none). I'm stuck with their shit like embedded flash chips and such, but I buy all of those products used.

 

[Wile E]

It's a joke on their power consumption.

But I flat out will never purchase an intel product b/c of their business practices and ethics (none). I'm stuck with their shit like embedded flash chips and such, but I buy all of those products used.

They just have the ethics and practices than any other major corporation. AMD is no different.

 

[TheGuruStud]

They just have the ethics and practices than any other major corporation. AMD is no different.

Riiiight. AMD is cheating right and left, economically enslaving people (chinese style), strong arming anyone against them and bribing some media sources.

Yeah, totally, AMD does exactly that.

I don't shop at walmart, etc. I'm not adhering to the "well everyone else does it" bullshit. It doesn't make it acceptable nor okay. That's being complicit and is morally wrong (to me).

 

[Wile E]

Riiiight. AMD is cheating right and left, economically enslaving people (chinese style), strong arming anyone against them and bribing some media sources.

Yeah, totally, AMD does exactly that.

I don't shop at walmart, etc. I'm not adhering to the "well everyone else does it" bullshit. It doesn't make it acceptable nor okay. That's being complicit and is morally wrong (to me).

Except that AMD does attempt those things when possible, and most certainly would if they had the same market share as Intel. Sorry, but all corporations are the same. They just want your money.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Except that AMD does attempt those things when possible, and most certainly would if they had the same market share as Intel. Sorry, but all corporations are the same. They just want your money.

And those are ifs, not real life. Until AMD does it, saying they will is not a valid defense. If they ever become like that, then I won't buy their shit either.

I never said they weren't in it for the money. I'm saying I'm not paying some assholes that care about nothing else except that dollar. They (intel, etc) would trample over your body (dead or alive) to get that dollar. That's not someone I want to give my money to.

 

[Troubled]

http://img.techpowerup.org/090902/bta112.jpg

Ok...so a 5% increase with the 4mb Larger L3...but note...i did not say L3...i said L2. L3 runs at the speed of the NB...unlike the L2 which runs at HT Link Speed. What i am saying...is we have been at 512kb per core for a long time...it is time to bump that up a little bit. I am sure that you would see yet another boost in performance.

 

[Wile E]

And those are ifs, not real life. Until AMD does it, saying they will is not a valid defense. If they ever become like that, then I won't buy their shit either.

I never said they weren't in it for the money. I'm saying I'm not paying some assholes that care about nothing else except that dollar. They (intel, etc) would trample over your body (dead or alive) to get that dollar. That's not someone I want to give my money to.

Again, all AMD cares about is your dollar as well. They don't care about you at all. To think otherwise is just silly.

 

[wolf]

...I'm not paying some assholes that care about nothing else except that dollar. They (intel, etc) would trample over your body (dead or alive) to get that dollar...

Neither company is more or less evil Sheesh! this isn't the time and place to start this argument either.

 

[Troubled]

No, not really. Neither are better. Most games are GPU limited, so the cpu means little.

But the i7 spanks PII in everything else. Guess it depends on what's important to you. Gaming, or everything else. lol.

When it comes down to it...you are not going to notice a difference in word processing, web surfing, or anything else because the software won't push the hardware enough. So...Gaming, or Everything else...i still choose a Phenom II. My wallet isnt deep enough for a Core i7...

 

[Wile E]

When it comes down to it...you are not going to notice a difference in word processing, web surfing, or anything else because the software won't push the hardware enough. So...Gaming, or Everything else...i still choose a Phenom II. My wallet isnt deep enough for a Core i7...

Hmmm, what about encoding home movies, or photoshopping large groups of pictures, or any of the other myriad of things computers are used for?

And fair enough, If you can't afford i7, you can't afford it. And if gaming is all you care about, then yeah, the majority of your money is best spent on your video card.

 

[Troubled]

Hmmm, what about encoding home movies, or photoshopping large groups of pictures, or any of the other myriad of things computers are used for?

And fair enough, If you can't afford i7, you can't afford it. And if gaming is all you care about, then yeah, the majority of your money is best spent on your video card.

What is kinda funny is i do all of that stuff with ease too...and i dont have a Core i7. Go figure. You make it sound like you need a Core i7 to do all of the many things that a computer can do....when you don't really. I didnt really spend all that much on my video cards either. The Radeon 4670 isn't considered top of the line...but good enough to play the games that i play...Crysis, Far Cry 2, Need For Speed, and all the many other games that i play...along with the Zipping and Unzipping of files, dvd encoding and the many other things I do.