NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 Reference Design Graphics Card Pictured

blibba · Oct 30, 2010

pantherx12 said:
Come now an over-clocked 5870 tangles with a 480(stock)...

Very true, but most people who buy 480s are interested in the superior SLI scaling and ultra high resolution performance offered by the increased memory and bus width.

MxPhenom 216 · Oct 30, 2010

jeez, you guys are getting so butt hurt about the heat issue. just leave it alone. we all know fermi is a hot GPU. Im pretty sure nvidia knows that to and will be working on fixing that with the GTX580

now for those who think the GTX480 is still only a little bit better then the 5870? Well you wrong. now that nvidia has been pushing out performance like bunny off spring the GTX480 is quite a bit faster then a 5870 now and can play in HD5970 territory when overclocked. That being said even the GTX470s are now faster then the 5870 in almost every game other then Vantage and Crysis (Crysis by like 4%)

I would know this. i had a HD5870 it got 42FPS in crysis very high 4x AA at 1920 x 1200 while my 470 now gets about 39 to 40 at the same settings. Thats the average FPS. the minimum FPS goes to my 470 but almost 20% give or take. my 5870 got like 19fps and my 470 got 26

CDdude55 · Oct 30, 2010

nvidiaintelftw said:
jeez, you guys are getting so butt hurt about the heat issue. just leave it alone. we all know fermi is a hot GPU. Im pretty sure nvidia knows that to and will be working on fixing that with the GTX580

now for those who think the GTX480 is still only a little bit better then the 5870? Well you wrong. now that nvidia has been pushing out performance like bunny off spring the GTX480 is quite a bit faster then a 5870 now and can play in HD5970 territory when overclocked. That being said even the GTX470s are now faster then the 5870 in almost every game other then Vantage and Crysis (Crysis by like 4%)

I would know this. i had a HD5870 it got 42FPS in crysis very high 4x AA at 1920 x 1200 while my 470 now gets about 39 to 40 at the same settings. Thats the average FPS. the minimum FPS goes to my 470 but almost 20% give or take. my 5870 got like 19fps and my 470 got 26

The GTX 480 is still overall only a slightly better card then the 5870, this of course mainly depends on the software you're trying to run, but most of the time the 480 comes on top by maybe 10% at most in the majority of software. The drivers have improved for both cards since they have launched so performance has changed for both depending on the drivers being ran. The GTX 470 is still in 5850 territory as proven by the recent benchamarks of the 6 series of cards. Overclocking is a differant story though.

I agree the heat issues are really a non issue imho.

TheMailMan78 · Oct 30, 2010

nvidiaintelftw said:
jeez, you guys are getting so butt hurt about the heat issue. just leave it alone. we all know fermi is a hot GPU. Im pretty sure nvidia knows that to and will be working on fixing that with the GTX580

now for those who think the GTX480 is still only a little bit better then the 5870? Well you wrong. now that nvidia has been pushing out performance like bunny off spring the GTX480 is quite a bit faster then a 5870 now and can play in HD5970 territory when overclocked. That being said even the GTX470s are now faster then the 5870 in almost every game other then Vantage and Crysis (Crysis by like 4%)

I would know this. i had a HD5870 it got 42FPS in crysis very high 4x AA at 1920 x 1200 while my 470 now gets about 39 to 40 at the same settings. Thats the average FPS. the minimum FPS goes to my 470 but almost 20% give or take. my 5870 got like 19fps and my 470 got 26

Proof? I mean 5890?

MxPhenom 216 · Oct 30, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
Proof? I mean 5890?

what??

TheMailMan78 · Oct 30, 2010

nvidiaintelftw said:
what??

There is no way a 480 is playing in 5970? Please man. PLEASE.

Benetanegia · Oct 30, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
There is no way a 480 is playing in 5970? Please man. PLEASE.

Overclocked he said. And yes it does. Also the difference between GTX480 and HD5870 is indeed >20% now and <20% difference with HD5970. Have any of you paid attention to latest reviews at all?

MxPhenom 216 · Oct 30, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
There is no way a 480 is playing in 5970? Please man. PLEASE.

I would show you the shootout NCspecV81 did over at overclock.net but i can't find the thread anymore

CDdude55 · Oct 30, 2010

The drivers had improved, no doubt the performance has gone up..

The 5 series still only lags a bit behind.

MxPhenom 216 · Oct 30, 2010

CDdude55 said:
The drivers had improved, no doubt the performance has gone up..

The 5 series still only lags a bit.

ATI drivers haven't really improved. they have been garbage since 10.4 and 10.5

TheMailMan78 · Oct 30, 2010

Benetanegia said:
Overclocked he said. And yes it does. Also the difference between GTX480 and HD5870 is indeed >20% now and <20% difference with HD5970. Have any of you paid attention to latest reviews at all?

Yeah I have and I havent seen anything like that. Maybe 10 fps more in some games but no where year a 5970.

CDdude55 · Oct 30, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
Yeah I have and I havent seen anything like that. Maybe 10 fps more in some games but no where year a 5970.

Only recent review i could find of the 480 was the MSI Lighting review, that card only has a 50MHz overclock on the Core and 75MHz on the memory with improved power consumption and heat and it has shown to touch and in some cases beat the 5970. You'll see even the older reference 480 comes close. 5970 is still the best though.

Bo$$ · Oct 30, 2010

nvidiaintelftw said:
ATI drivers haven't really improved. they have been garbage since 10.4 and 10.5

how the hell would you know?
from your specs and name, you may seem to lack any recent ATI hardware to backup that claim....

erocker · Oct 30, 2010

Bo$$ said:
how the hell would you know?
from your specs and name, you may seem to lack any recent ATI hardware to backup that claim....

Dude, he knows! I haven't seen a good Nvidia driver since 158's! Wait, oh this thread isn't about drivers... or ATi. This thread is about the super awesome GTX 580!!!

Anyhoo, I think that with these new Nvidia cards coming out, it may turn out to be alot the the GTX 2XX series when they did a rehash of it. A little better performance with a drop in power and temps. Then again.. What do any of us know? Nothing! How can we possibly come to any conclusions over a picture of a card that looks somewhat like a GTX 470 with a GTX 580 shopped on it? Well, speculation is always fun.

Wile E · Oct 31, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
I get what you are saying but look at it this way. W1zz doesnt have an investment in a 480. When people invest in something (even if it sucks) they defend it and make excuses. Now I'm not saying the 480 is that case. What I am saying is I trust a TPU review more then people who bought the card. That is until W1zz gets bought out

You do realize that retail cards have a different bios than the ones w1z tested originally, and run much cooler than the review sample, right?

All that said, the king of heat and power consumption is still the 4870X2 anyway.

And besides, why are we bringing up power consumption on the top teir cards? Most people I know that buy top teir aren't exactly worried about pinching pennies, or else they would've gone with something with better price to performance.

nvidiaintelftw said:
ATI drivers haven't really improved. they have been garbage since 10.4 and 10.5

You mean since 8.11. 8.10 was the last truly good release for me. I can't comment on 5k or 6k series performance tho. That's based on my experience with the 4k series.

In that same span, nVidia hasn't had any issues for me. But again, that's a limited viewpoint, as I only have G92 cards from nVidia from the same time span.

Barring an extreme cock up on their part, I think nVidia may be my next card, mostly based on my luck with drivers. CUDA also plays a small role in the decision, as I do use a few apps that are CUDA enabled if you have the hardware.

[I.R.A]_FBi · Oct 31, 2010

wolf said:
It's an easy difference, and I am talking about heat. my point is there have been hot ATI GPU's in the past that have not copped nearly as much bs as the GTX480 has by AMD fans this time around.

i wasnt speaking at you directly, just generally

Meizuman · Oct 31, 2010

Don't know if posted yet but here goes:

http://www.tcmagazine.com/tcm/news/hardware/31375/nvidia-geforce-gtx-580-cooler-seen-detail

entropy13 · Oct 31, 2010

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p3gaz_001 · Oct 31, 2010

"never say NO to panda".....

Bo$$ · Oct 31, 2010

entropy13 said:
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he will catch you in your sleep, he has taken over from pedo-bear

the54thvoid · Oct 31, 2010

This thread has become uber lame and has descended into childish nonsense.

It's about the GTX 580. It's about something that might be decent - NOBODY knows yet. It's about maybe some competition tha will benefit the consumer.

Can we cut the crap about shit ATI this (from people with obvious allegiances) and other posts that favour ATI.

We'll all find out soon enough what's what and how silly these cards will be.

And one last time, for those who dont seem to grasp anything. You'd expect the GTX 480 to perform better than a HD 5970 when it consumes more power. The fact that it doesn't (on stock) is a pretty blatant indicator of the situation. If my 'X' consuming device performs worse than your 'less than X' consuming device - then your device is NOT that great. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6870/27.html

This is why we're talking about the GTX 580. Because it's meant to redress that shitiness. And if it does do better than a 5970 with less power - excellent - i may well buy one. Unless 6970 is better.

Wile E · Oct 31, 2010

the54thvoid said:
This thread has become uber lame and has descended into childish nonsense.

It's about the GTX 580. It's about something that might be decent - NOBODY knows yet. It's about maybe some competition tha will benefit the consumer.

Can we cut the crap about shit ATI this (from people with obvious allegiances) and other posts that favour ATI.

We'll all find out soon enough what's what and how silly these cards will be.

And one last time, for those who dont seem to grasp anything. You'd expect the GTX 480 to perform better than a HD 5970 when it consumes more power. The fact that it doesn't (on stock) is a pretty blatant indicator of the situation. If my 'X' consuming device performs worse than your 'less than X' consuming device - then your device is NOT that great. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6870/27.html

This is why we're talking about the GTX 580. Because it's meant to redress that shitiness. And if it does do better than a 5970 with less power - excellent - i may well buy one. Unless 6970 is better.

I don't. As long as my psu is up to the task, I don't care. I only care about it's performance, then price is next. Heat and power consumption on a top tier card mean absolutely nothing to me.

Now, go down a notch, and power becomes an issue, but If I'm paying over $400 for a card, it's no concern. Only performance.

the54thvoid · Oct 31, 2010

Wile E said:
I don't. As long as my psu is up to the task, I don't care. I only care about it's performance, then price is next. Heat and power consumption on a top tier card mean absolutely nothing to me.

Now, go down a notch, and power becomes an issue, but If I'm paying over $400 for a card, it's no concern. Only performance.

That's not my inference. Of course you dont care about power consumption. I'm not on an eco warrior rant here. My PC parts are made by low paid chinese or taiwanese workers and the chemical mess from tech production is awful.

My point is simply this.
GF 100 = X power consumption and Y Performance.
HD 5970 = <X Power consumption and >Y Performance.
and to even it up 5970 costs a lot more so it's kinda uneven there in NV's favour.

The 480 underperforms on account of it's power requirement. It SHOULD perform better.
That is the entire goal of the GF 110 - to make it perform better for lower power consumption.

And i shelled out £400 for 2 5850's, power and noise meant a lot to me so talking enthusiast and inferring 'we' dont care about power isn't accurate. An enthusiast buys 'performance' parts but the factors each person takes into account when buying their chosen top level parts are very subjective.

Anyhow - quote from somewhere, lets see what happens...

"A fully working GF100, a first for Nvidia's desktop Fermi/GF1x0 line, would have 512 shaders and get about a 7% speed increase over GTX480. Another 6% comes from the clock speed, a generous assessment would say bug fixes add a little more. All told, 20% net speed increase over GTX480 isn't out of the question, nor is a pretty decent lowering of power."

"With that in mind, we are told GTX580's 'launch' will be pulled in to November 8"

"Nvidia is pulling the 580 launch in...to November 8....The problem is that won't be able to buy parts until late January..."

"The chip is a bug fixed GTX480/GF100"

Wile E · Oct 31, 2010

You didn't pay over 400 for a single card. There is a big difference. And your 2 5850s consume more than a single 480 anyway. But enough about that.

You can't call Fermi a failure because it consumes more for the same performance, when it excels in other areas that AMD can't begin to compete, like GPGPU or heavy tessellation. i7 quads run hotter than Phenom X6 for similar performance, yet aren't considered a failure. You aren't taking into account all aspects of the cards.

motasim · Nov 1, 2010

... November 8th is only a week away, I look forward to it (if it's true), and I really hope that it'll perform better than the GTX480 with a lower power requirement and at less temperatures ... I am quite anxious to see how it'll compare to the upcoming 6970 in all aspects (performance (fps), tessellation, power, temperature, noise)

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