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TimoX said:
Thanks for the input guys.
So Pyro, When you first ran v4, it seemed to work, and set your defaults correctly, but hitting the default button in OD, dropped the clocks down to 810/1250?
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with the first test i didn't touch the lowers, only the defaults and the upper...

but when i opened CCC, i saw 880/1250 and after hitting the "defaults" button in ccc, the core clock changed to 810.

so it doesn't seem like the default clock speeds are being set correctly as they should be 880/1375, not 810/1250
it's nice to be able to underclock the mem in CCC now, but that's not the default speed of a 6970
TimoX said:
Do you guys have CCC set to load at startup?
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yes

looking forward to testing any new versions :)
 
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Yep, OD was blank after reboot.
Closed CCC
Set 880/1375 in afterburner
Opened CCC,OD appears again.

Default clock were set at 810/1250 after reboot.(was set at 880/1375 v4)

CCC loaded at startup

If u want ,I can be a tester

edit;
I use crossfire and 2 monitors

edit2
Default clocks on gpu-z is 880/1375 but a reset in afterburner or default in CCC the clocks goes to 810/1250

edit3
The clocks in a XML file also shows 810/1250, somehow gpu-2 shows a higher clocks 1000/1400
 
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Thanks again, that does help. :)

Sounds like something needs to be tweaked to be sure that the default button hits default clocks of the card, as it seems to be defaulting to 810/1250, which is one of my cards.

Also, some FYI, I've been playing with the lowers, my defaults are 500/1250 so I set them to 450/1150.

It does seem to work, as some things that would clock the card to 500/1250, like some videos, etc now clock to 450/1150.
These cards do a lot of internal power management, as i've watched it go from 250/150 on a video to 450/300, 450/625, 450/1150, etc..

Anyway, will keep plugging away. :)
 
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You just made my year....... thank you! :toast:
 
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Charly, is that the profiles.xml under the ATI/ACE folder?

Good to know you're on Crossfire with 2 monitors, that could be why the panel was blank for some reason at first.


I just checked my profiles.xml and it still shows the defaults of my card, but it definitely uses my new lowers for stuff, as i've confirmed it with GPUz and AB.
 
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yep, that profiles.xml.

I think when I set reset in afterburner, OD dissapear again (will test it in a minute)

Do u also use afterburner?

edit;

Seems like I can't change clocks in afterburner, it reverst back to 810....need to uninstall it.
 
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yeah, using AB 2.1 atm.
But i'm only using 1 card and monitor.
The other card is in my test computer.
Both are Sapphire 6950, with unlocked shaders, but atm this card has the Asus BIOS in it, which does a slight OC to 810 instead of 800.


This gives me some ideas for more testing then.
I'll have to definitely do a default file with CCC running, and at startup to see if/how it affects the profiles file, since mine isn't changing, but like I said, I don't have CCC set to load at startup, and not always running, which could be why mine doesn't change.
This computer is too fast, but my test setup is slower, and with that one I noticed CCC does some stuff at shutdown if it's running, as Comodo catches it and alerts me, beforre it shuts off.
 
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Ok , msi ab uninstalled.
delete "PP_PhmSoftPowerPlayTable" in regedit 0000-0004
reboot

And try it again


After reboot, blank OD, gpu-clocks were 810/1250 (also in the profiles.xml)

Is the problem because I flash my 6950 with a 6970bios?
 
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No, I don't think it's the flash.
What happens if you change the profile back to 880/1375?

I've got some other testing to do first with CCC, but I think I may flash my second card to a 6970 BIOS for a bit and see what things are doing, so i can try and replicate that.
It may be a glitch of this program and crossfire, not sure.
 
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Actually I just thought of something.
"Maybe" part of it is the flash.
Reason being Windows, CCC and everything else still sees it with a 6950 hardware ID.

In GPUz, or in this program, does it show hardware ID 6719? That would be the 6950 ID.
6718 is 6970.

That could be part of it as well.

More testing... :)
 
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got msi ab beta 7 up and running
If I select gpu-2 in afterburner and oc the core or anything else and overdrive pops up in CCC :)
reset the clocks in afterburner, OD disappear ..?

When OD pops up I can change the other gpu, but when I reset the clocks in afterburner and change the gpu in OD I get an error.
If I reset the clocks in afterburner it just reset 1 card, the others stays at the oc clocks, need to change the gpu to reset it also.

It's hard to explains what happen exactly..


PHP: 
See the end of this message for details on invoking 
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jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
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<configuration>
    <system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" />
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cfg in ab
[ATIADLHAL]
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This looks like another super cool tool.

Is it for the 69## series only though, or will it work with Toxic 6850 ?
 
BAGZZlash

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Richard Shepherdson said:
This looks like another super cool tool.

Is it for the 69## series only though, or will it work with Toxic 6850 ?
Click to expand...

That's something we're currently trying to figure out. I think we'll have a new version running for the community to test by tonight.
 
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Okay, RacerX did a lot of work and it yielded this new version. CCC problems should be gone now. If you still experience disappearing sliders, just click "default" in the CCC overdrive menu, that should restore the slider.
Also, there are some new features available. Check it out and post your results: View attachment RacerX.zip
Furthermore, non-69x0-users are encouraged to test as well. Due to the new undo feature it should be safe.
 
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By disappearing sliders, do you mean a particular slider, or the whole overdrive tab?

Set my Sapphire 6850 Toxic to 600/1100 min 810/1100 default 1000/2000 max.

Lost the overdrive tab completely.

Only saw the click default after I had undone, so did not check if that restored it.

If it should, will try again tonight.
 
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Thanks RacerX! 6850s here; think Ill continue to wait a bit.
 
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Thanks everyone for the help/comments.

Can one of you with a 6850 tell me what the default 2D clocks are?
 
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My previous setup with a 6850


Isn't it possible to check a bios with RBE? to see the 2d clocks?
 
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Thanks, yeah I had done that but when doing some other research it seemed like there were some inconsistencies, which thanks for the pic as it shows it.

I see in one shot, gpuz shows 100/81?

Is that a custom setting, or just something the driver is doing?

I have an idea for 68xx series cards I'm working on.
thanks again.
 
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Okay, we have the latest build (v10) available.
The key difference is that it also includes sliders for the 2D clock defaults, which should fix the 68xx glitches.

I'm working on some detailed instructions, for example hitting the default button if some sliders are initially missing, and any other troubleshooting glitches.
The reason for this is that the driver reads these values, and OD confirms them and checks/updates the profiles file.


Before running this, be sure to backup your profiles.xml file, usually found here:
C:\Users\"YOUR USERNAME"\AppData\Local\ATI\ACE

Anyway, let us know what you think.

Also, could someone with a crossfire setup post a copy of their profile.xml file so i can take a look at it?
thanks.
 

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I got one, thanks, leont. :)
 
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As usual, BAGZZlash's talents shine through! :)
here's v11 with a button to automatically backup and/or restore the profile.xml for you.
 

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TimoX said:
Thanks, yeah I had done that but when doing some other research it seemed like there were some inconsistencies, which thanks for the pic as it shows it.

I see in one shot, gpuz shows 100/81?

Is that a custom setting, or just something the driver is doing?

I have an idea for 68xx series cards I'm working on.
thanks again.
Click to expand...
I think it's a bug in gpu-z, not the real clocks

tripple cfx, 1 monitor connected

1x6970
2x6950 flashed to 6970
 

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Tried the one from post #39 and it worked well in doing all three things:
- Removing/purging the registry edit that I made manually from seeing RacerX's instructions on techimo
- Re-locking Catalyst. [I had opened it before to see if I can adjust the power profiles without messing with clocks (which I use MSI AB to do), but failed because CCC ties it all together, so everytime I clicked apply, it set the clocks to the CCC clocks instead of AB's.]
- creating a valid registry file that set the limits at my specification.

What I wonder now is if AMD is going to put a block against this.
Anyway, that aside, is anyone having trouble maintaining clocks after reboot or reviving from hibernate? I've OC'd with AB, but find the clock at defaults every time I start up the PC. The limits are staying at where the RacerX reg mod set them, but it's just the OC that keeps resetting.

BTW, thanks to both RacerX/TimoX & BAGZZlash for this great workaround! ;)
 
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Nor sure if I'm doing something wrong.

Set my Sapphire 6850 Toxic to 600/1100 min 810/1100 default 2D clocks to 100/150 1000/2000 max.

still losing the overdrive tab completely.

:ohwell:
 
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