AMD FX Processor Prices Lower Than Expected

[WhiteLotus]

OK, I read the first couple of pages of responses to the original post, then I got tired of the moronic logic...
So, this might have already been covered, but it's always good to reiterate a nice point (if it has):

We have a piece of information, regarding possible BD FX cpu pricing.
We have no definitive information regarding this pricing; as to whether it is accurate (or will become inaccurate).
We do not have information that tells us that this pricing is tied to performance parallels with Intel cpus.

What we can't say:
"Oh no, BD is slower than Intel's mid-range",
"Oh wow, BD is faster than Intel's mid-range"
"The pricing is telling us that these cpus will be slow"

What we can say:
"Perhaps AMD is anticipating Intel's price dropping, and wants to establish competitive pricing."
"Perhaps the surprisingly low prices reflect AMD's wish to steal market share from Intel (i.e. sway people away from i5 and i7 cpus for their new builds)"
"Perhaps AMD is anticipating the release of Ivy Bridge and the inevitable price drops on the 2nd gen i5 and i7 cpus."
"We don't know if those prices are set in stone, especially since they will cause some major ripples across the net, possibly causing AMD to make changes (if they are official prices, that is)."
"We can definitively say, at this point, that we have absolutely no idea how these BD processors (in their 'ready for prime time' iteration) compare to their Intel counterparts on the various and innumerable benchmarks available."

...:shadedshu

Please stay.

 

[erocker]

The NDA will get lifted on a saturday, so it wont be on the 12.Oct. I have no sources, just hersay, but since it is all speculation, i say my chances are pretty high.

So you're in the "it will be released next week" camp. 10-4.

 

[ensabrenoir]

OK, I read the first couple of pages of responses to the original post, then I got tired of the moronic logic...
So, this might have already been covered, but it's always good to reiterate a nice point (if it has):

We have a piece of information, regarding possible BD FX cpu pricing.
We have no definitive information regarding this pricing; as to whether it is accurate (or will become inaccurate).
We do not have information that tells us that this pricing is tied to performance parallels with Intel cpus.

What we can't say:
"Oh no, BD is slower than Intel's mid-range",
"Oh wow, BD is faster than Intel's mid-range"
"The pricing is telling us that these cpus will be slow"

What we can say:
"Perhaps AMD is anticipating Intel's price dropping, and wants to establish competitive pricing."
"Perhaps the surprisingly low prices reflect AMD's wish to steal market share from Intel (i.e. sway people away from i5 and i7 cpus for their new builds)"
"Perhaps AMD is anticipating the release of Ivy Bridge and the inevitable price drops on the 2nd gen i5 and i7 cpus."
"We don't know if those prices are set in stone, especially since they will cause some major ripples across the net, possibly causing AMD to make changes (if they are official prices, that is)."
"We can definitively say, at this point, that we have absolutely no idea how these BD processors (in their 'ready for prime time' iteration) compare to their Intel counterparts on the various and innumerable benchmarks available."

...:shadedshu

Yeah.....we know all that...so what are you saying?

 

[WhiteLotus]

Yeah.....we know all that...so what are you saying?

That most (including yours and mine) posts in this thread are completely pointless and people are being stupid beyond stupid by stating things that they are just pulling out of their arse.

 

[cadaveca]

Yeah.....we know all that...so what are you saying?

I think you're trying to say that being a voice of reason, on the internet, is fighting a battle that can never be won.


And what he is saying is:

I don't care, I'll still say my piece, and you can look silly afterwords just the same.

 

[ensabrenoir]

That most (including yours and mine) posts in this thread are completely pointless and people are being stupid beyond stupid by stating things that they are just pulling out of their arse.

Ok got ya

Seriously like its been said 100000 times before until amd or. Somebody that actually has one post something its all speculation. Even the most educated deduction...is just fiction I come seeking info like everyone else. If some are so annoyed by others... let the mods not allow any comment and just release the story for all bd updates

 

[the54thvoid]

Rick Bergman has left AMD

Source:

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/09/22/amd-apocalype-rick-bergman-gone/

Can't quote it for very amusing copyright reasons. But CD (lover of most things AMD/ATI) says it is very very bad for AMD.

I'm sure others here will have a better informed opinion than mine but when CD talks about AMD it is with the opposite emotion to his Nvidian rants.

 

[twilyth]

Source:

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/09/22/amd-apocalype-rick-bergman-gone/

Can't quote it for very amusing copyright reasons. But CD (lover of most things AMD/ATI) says it is very very bad for AMD.

I'm sure others here will have a better informed opinion than mine but when CD talks about AMD it is with the opposite emotion to his Nvidian rants.

Read about this earlier today. Wish there were some more details about the reasons behind it. But as I recall, there was the same sort of speculation after Captain Dirk left/was ousted.

If you're a tech guy at AMD, where are you going to go? I mean really? Via? ARM? Intel (god forbid)? AMD is still going to be the place to be if you want to have an impact on the market. There simply isn't anyone else out there even close to competing with Intel.

 

[Super XP]

Rick Bergman IMO was a great asset for AMD. Don't know what AMD is thinking. That said, obviously IBM and Lenovo veteran Rory Read AMD's CEO must have the backbone and a darn good reason why he let Rick go.

 

[Covert_Death]

^truly do agree^, but not sure what it has to do with pricing or performance of BD haha... jk, anywho, BD needs to be in my damn tower already.

 

[xenocide]

If you're a tech guy at AMD, where are you going to go? I mean really? Via? ARM? Intel (god forbid)? AMD is still going to be the place to be if you want to have an impact on the market. There simply isn't anyone else out there even close to competing with Intel.

Any of the places you listed impact the market...

 

[Super XP]

The AMD FX-4170 interests me with it's stock speed of 4.2GHz. I wonder how much more you can push her? I can easily imagin about 4.8GHz to 5.0GHz yes? I don't buy the Turbo Boost at 4.3GHz, that does not make sense...

LINK:
http://morethanchessagame.forumotio...zer-fx-4170-42-ghz-release-this-year-official

 

[Damn_Smooth]

the amd fx-4170 interests me with it's stock speed of 4.2ghz. I wonder how much more you can push her? I can easily imagin about 4.8ghz to 5.0ghz yes? I don't buy the turbo boost at 4.3ghz, that does not make sense...

Link:
http://morethanchessagame.forumotio...zer-fx-4170-42-ghz-release-this-year-official

4170?

 

[Super XP]

4170?

Yes the FX-4170 clocked at 4.2 GHz Quad-Core. This may very well be the sweet spot for a nice Gaming System...
Once again, check it out in this link:
http://www.maximum-tech.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/amd-october-bulldozer.jpg

 

[Damn_Smooth]

Yes the FX-4170 clocked at 4.2 GHz Quad-Core. This may very well be the sweet spot for a nice Gaming System...
Once again, check it out in this link:
http://www.maximum-tech.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/amd-october-bulldozer.jpg

It's been a long time since I thought about anything other than the octocores.

That list does look kind of sketchy though.

 

[Crap Daddy]

Is this the place I should post this? Donanimhaber has some interesting slides:

http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci...lemciler-teknik-ozellikler-test-sonuclari.htm

Check the photo gallery for AMD advertising the FX. Interesting point of view.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Don't know if it has been mentioned but it is important nevertheless: Intel and AMD could both be reducing their pricing because of economic forecasts which show global economic weakness for at least a few more years. They both may have seen a dip in sales and are responding with reduced prices--especially on mid-low range chips.

 

[heky]

Ehm...if the slides are true, that means the top bulldozer with its 8 cores and a higher stock clock scores 5.95 points in cinebench(rendering, highly multithreaded) while my 2600K with 4 cores 8 threads at stock scores 6.90.
Bulldozer overclocked to 4.8ghz scores 7.8, while my 2600K @4.8ghz scores 9.38! So much for multithread superiority of BD.

 

[jagd]

Dont take donanimhaber seriously .Their news can be considered ''sensational '' at best ,you can see a lot of things without sourse and became wrong sometime later .I know best because im turkish and also they are turkish hardware site but became an advirtesing site telling every hardware is good whom is giving advert .Dont take seriously again.

Is this the place I should post this? Donanimhaber has some interesting slides:

http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci...lemciler-teknik-ozellikler-test-sonuclari.htm

Check the photo gallery for AMD advertising the FX. Interesting point of view.

 

[Super XP]

Ehm...if the slides are true, that means the top bulldozer with its 8 cores and a higher stock clock scores 5.95 points in cinebench(rendering, highly multithreaded) while my 2600K with 4 cores 8 threads at stock scores 6.90.
Bulldozer overclocked to 4.8ghz scores 7.8, while my 2600K @4.8ghz scores 9.38! So much for multithread superiority of BD.

AMD still needs to tweak the CPU for maximum performance, but right now it's not out and any review/benchmarks should be taken with an organic grain of salt.

Dont take donanimhaber seriously .Their news can be considered ''sensational '' at best ,you can see a lot of things without sourse and became wrong sometime later .I know best because im turkish and also they are turkish hardware site but became an advirtesing site telling every hardware is good whom is giving advert .Dont take seriously again.

And I am Greek. That said, the site Donanimhaber were right about many things including AMD's issues with Barcelona, the release of Phenom II and so on, but at the same time they've been far out wrong too...

 

[Ahhzz]

I think all of these "Benchmark" posts should be posted with a simple disclaimer: "Not Officially Released". Because that's the thing: NONE of these are official, and all the noise about less than/better than is just that. Noise.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

nice even ish split in the poll, theirs as much hope as doom still then,

imho these prices if legit would be amazin i may yet be cheered by this mentally exhaustin wait, especially if sandy ex and bd come out close to each other , theres gona be some bargain price chips about for sure.

i do hope theres plenty to go round tho

 

[btarunr]

The NDA will get lifted on a saturday, so it wont be on the 12.Oct. I have no sources, just hersay, but since it is all speculation, i say my chances are pretty high.

That hearsay is wrong.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

That hearsay is wrong.

i wish youd stop emplying you know something without disclosing ,go on spill

seriously tho imho if your under nda you should disclose at least that you are

cos reading that reply makes my credit card flutter at the thought of a future thrashin.

 

[btarunr]

i wish youd stop emplying you know something without disclosing ,go on spill

seriously tho imho if your under nda you should disclose at least that you are

cos reading that reply makes my credit card flutter at the thought of a future thrashin.

I am not under NDA. My sources, and information at my disposal back the October 12 date that has been floating around the internet.