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t_ski · Sep 12, 2012

It's plain distilled water and was clear, then gradually got a little cloudy. One weekend it was pretty warm and I left the rig on all weekend, and it got even warmer in that room. Afterwards I noticed the water was brown. Did I burn it? lol

Thrackan · Sep 12, 2012

It's either tons and tons of bacteria, or some chemical reaction in your loop.
You're not mixing alu and copper blocks right?

Durvelle27 · Sep 12, 2012

upgraded to a Sapphire HD 6950 2gb

t_ski · Sep 12, 2012

Thrackan said:
It's either tons and tons of bacteria, or some chemical reaction in your loop.
You're not mixing alu and copper blocks right?

No mixing going on. I'm wondering if it's a reaction to the Biocide I put in the loop before or something the previous owner used. I should get a silver coil one of these days...

cadaveca · Sep 12, 2012

t_ski said:
No mixing going on. I'm wondering if it's a reaction to the Biocide I put in the loop before or something the previous owner used. I should get a silver coil one of these days...

OK, I'll just offer this here.

Distilled water, alone, is a bad coolant. Water can readily accept free ions, whether soluable or not, and moving water generates an electric charge. This means that distilled water will quite often pick up ANYTHING that might be in a loop...coolant additives that have coated the inside of a rad, precipitated there due to cooling effects, or anything else of that sort.

What we need is something to fill the water to the saturation point, some additive, which will not affect cooling properties. Glycol seems to be a common choice, and I'm pretty sure Glycol isn't good for algae, either.

IF hte water was saturated, it woudl notbe able to pick up contaminates. Mind you, you jsut cleaned your loop out, too. If I was you, I'd swap out coolant, put in fresh water, run for a coupel fo days, then drain agian. repeat if needed.

Thoughts on that?

popswala · Sep 12, 2012

cadaveca said:
OK, I'll just offer this here.

Distilled water, alone, is a bad coolant. Water can readily accept free ions, whether soluable or not, and moving water generates an electric charge. This means that distilled water will quite often pick up ANYTHING that might be in a loop...coolant additives that have coated the inside of a rad, precipitated there due to cooling effects, or anything else of that sort.

What we need is something to fill the water to the saturation point, some additive, which will not affect cooling properties. Glycol seems to be a common choice, and I'm pretty sure Glycol isn't good for algae, either.

IF hte water was saturated, it woudl notbe able to pick up contaminates. Mind you, you jsut cleaned your loop out, too. If I was you, I'd swap out coolant, put in fresh water, run for a coupel fo days, then drain agian. repeat if needed.

Thoughts on that?

Kinda lost me there for a moment. So distilled is not good by itself. What would you say is good and still clear that will not contaminate, colorize tubing/res and just overall a good choice? I'm looking to go water very soon and I already have a gal of distilled water lol.

cdawall · Sep 12, 2012

cadaveca said:
OK, I'll just offer this here.

Distilled water, alone, is a bad coolant. Water can readily accept free ions, whether soluable or not, and moving water generates an electric charge. This means that distilled water will quite often pick up ANYTHING that might be in a loop...coolant additives that have coated the inside of a rad, precipitated there due to cooling effects, or anything else of that sort.

What we need is something to fill the water to the saturation point, some additive, which will not affect cooling properties. Glycol seems to be a common choice, and I'm pretty sure Glycol isn't good for algae, either.

IF hte water was saturated, it woudl notbe able to pick up contaminates. Mind you, you jsut cleaned your loop out, too. If I was you, I'd swap out coolant, put in fresh water, run for a coupel fo days, then drain agian. repeat if needed.

Thoughts on that?

Dexcool works damn good. I have had the same coolant in the loop for about a year now. No color change and I have drained it a couple of times to check the block/pumps. Refilled the same coolant without an issue.

cadaveca · Sep 12, 2012

cdawall said:
Dexcool works damn good. I have had the same coolant in the loop for about a year now. No color change and I have drained it a couple of times to check the block/pumps. Refilled the same coolant without an issue.

Hmm, checking it out.

Not many people relate what I jsut did..in fact, most wil ljstu say that distilled water is just fine...but I disagree. It's basic Chemistry, FFS.

Isn't it? :wtf:

cdawall · Sep 12, 2012

cadaveca said:
Hmm, checking it out.

Not many people relate what I jsut did..in fact, most wil ljstu say that distilled water is just fine...but I disagree. It's basic Chemistry, FFS.

Isn't it?

Most people prefer to run the standard "green" vehicle coolant. It is a basic glycol based antifreeze. I use Dexcool for the color I liked the orange it is still glycol based and nothing grows in it. The stuff is rated for 100K miles in a car. That works out to a long time in a PC AFAIC. The stuff is a little thicker hence my dual pump set up, but Dexcool is thinner than the green stuff. I am looking into running the red motocraft for my HTPC. Very similar to dexcool.

This is my 25% Dexcool loop CPU@4ghz 1.55v

Room temp is 74F
CPU is 32C after 2 hours of crysis
OPT3 is loop temp post CPU pre rads.

PopcornMachine · Sep 12, 2012

cadaveca said:
Hmm, checking it out.

Not many people relate what I jsut did..in fact, most wil ljstu say that distilled water is just fine...but I disagree. It's basic Chemistry, FFS.

Isn't it?

I use distilled water with a silver coil. Noticed it getting a little murky once, but nothing like the contents of the above reservoir. And I flush it at least twice a year.

Not a great deal of experience here though. I heard a lot of bad stuff about additives corroding and dyed fluids staining that I decided to go with clear distilled water.

Besides, it's a heck of a lot cheaper. :laugh:

MxPhenom 216 · Sep 12, 2012

Distilled Water + PT Nuke = Win

cadaveca · Sep 13, 2012

MxPhenom 216 said:
Distilled Water + PT Nuke = Win

Have you even ever HAD watercooling? :laugh:

popswala · Sep 13, 2012

I've heard mixed things on pt nuke so i decided not use that. I have heard of the car antifreeze mixed with distilled water. Any type of water is not good as it'll rust the inside of the rad.

Athlonite · Sep 13, 2012

distilled water on it's own is ok but it also needs to be demineralized aswell so that it is nothing but pure H2O

also something to stop any bacteria growing and make the water loaded so it can not pick up anything else from the loop is also a good idea an 25/75 mix of anti freeze/boil or an premix if your not wanting to mix it yourself , should get you demineralized/distilled water and glycol

cdawall · Sep 13, 2012

MxPhenom 216 said:
Distilled Water + PT Nuke = Win

More like brown water

brandonwh64 · Sep 13, 2012

Like my anti sagging method? LOL

t_ski · Sep 13, 2012

cadaveca said:
OK, I'll just offer this here.

Distilled water, alone, is a bad coolant. Water can readily accept free ions, whether soluable or not, and moving water generates an electric charge. This means that distilled water will quite often pick up ANYTHING that might be in a loop...coolant additives that have coated the inside of a rad, precipitated there due to cooling effects, or anything else of that sort.

What we need is something to fill the water to the saturation point, some additive, which will not affect cooling properties. Glycol seems to be a common choice, and I'm pretty sure Glycol isn't good for algae, either.

IF hte water was saturated, it woudl notbe able to pick up contaminates. Mind you, you jsut cleaned your loop out, too. If I was you, I'd swap out coolant, put in fresh water, run for a coupel fo days, then drain agian. repeat if needed.

Thoughts on that?

I've used distilled water + automotive anti-freeze (25% mix), plain distilled water, and distilled water + PT nuke (the biocide I mentioned before). I understand that an additive can increase the effectiveness of the coolant and provide a few other features like fungi/algea/etc prevention, but with kids and pets around I like the distilled water the best. I don't have to worry about having the other stuff around or keeping anyone out of it if there is a leak.

cdawall said:
Dexcool works damn good. I have had the same coolant in the loop for about a year now. No color change and I have drained it a couple of times to check the block/pumps. Refilled the same coolant without an issue.

I'd have to look back at my log to see the last time I swapped the water out, but it's been a while. It's probably due for a flushing anyway. I'd really like to pop the CPU block open and clean it out, but one of the screws that holds the base on is stripped in the tools side (not the threads) and I can't take it out unless I have a replacement for it.

cadaveca said:
Hmm, checking it out.

Not many people relate what I jsut did..in fact, most wil ljstu say that distilled water is just fine...but I disagree. It's basic Chemistry, FFS.

Isn't it?

DAve you been drinking? Seems to be some issues with your typing skillz...

cdawall said:
Most people prefer to run the standard "green" vehicle coolant. It is a basic glycol based antifreeze. I use Dexcool for the color I liked the orange it is still glycol based and nothing grows in it. The stuff is rated for 100K miles in a car. That works out to a long time in a PC AFAIC. The stuff is a little thicker hence my dual pump set up, but Dexcool is thinner than the green stuff. I am looking into running the red motocraft for my HTPC. Very similar to dexcool.

This is my 25% Dexcool loop CPU@4ghz 1.55v

Room temp is 74F
CPU is 32C after 2 hours of crysis
OPT3 is loop temp post CPU pre rads.

http://img.techpowerup.org/120912/Capture015.jpg

Again, see my issues with this above.

PopcornMachine said:
I use distilled water with a silver coil. Noticed it getting a little murky once, but nothing like the contents of the above reservoir. And I flush it at least twice a year.

Not a great deal of experience here though. I heard a lot of bad stuff about additives corroding and dyed fluids staining that I decided to go with clear distilled water.

Besides, it's a heck of a lot cheaper.

I agree on the dyes being bad but I have not heard much about other additives, other than residual traces left behind. I too would like to go the route of a coil, as I think it's the safest way and should not cause any corrosion due to mixed metals.

popswala said:
I've heard mixed things on pt nuke so i decided not use that. I have heard of the car antifreeze mixed with distilled water. Any type of water is not good as it'll rust the inside of the rad.

I never had the water turn brown until I used this. I'm not confident I got all of it flushed out, and I admit I may have used more than I should have. Not really clear on the directions.

cdawall said:
More like brown water

Have you had experience with this too, or is this just in response to my situation?

cadaveca · Sep 13, 2012

t_ski said:
I've used distilled water + automotive anti-freeze (25% mix), plain distilled water, and distilled water + PT nuke (the biocide I mentioned before). I understand that an additive can increase the effectiveness of the coolant and provide a few other features like fungi/algea/etc prevention, but with kids and pets around I like the distilled water the best. I don't have to worry about having the other stuff around or keeping anyone out of it if there is a leak.

DAve you been drinking? Seems to be some issues with your typing skillz...

Yeah, I mean, using distilled isn't bad..but discolouration of the water is just gonna happen. Yet I always see people mention they distilled is their coolant of choice...to me, it's a high-maintanence fluid.

The only issue with that is that some stuff the coolant picks up is going to affect cooling ability, and sometimes, say if there was a pile af gunk in one spot, using distilled may spread it over the entire loop.

Personally, I just use tap water. Every six months, blocks get pulled, and they get CLR'd.

I understand the whole kid thing...but hte only pets I got are fish!

and no..my typing sucks becuase my keyboard cannot hadle how fast I type. It's better than the last one...

I had shoulder surgery again back a few months ago, and jsut got use of my arm back a coupel of weeks ago...I had been typing with one hand for like 6 months, which slowed me down a fair bit. NOw I'm back up to my 160 WPM crap, and my keyboard doesn't like it.

I need a really good mechanical..maybe at the end of the month Iwill treat myself!

Random Murderer · Sep 13, 2012

cadaveca said:
Yeah, I mean, using distilled isn't bad..but discolouration of the water is just gonna happen. Yet I always see people mention they distilled is their coolant of choice...to me, it's a high-maintanence fluid.

The only issue with that is that some stuff the coolant picks up is going to affect cooling ability, and sometimes, say if there was a pile af gunk in one spot, using distilled may spread it over the entire loop.

Personally, I just use tap water. Every six months, blocks get pulled, and they get CLR'd.

I understand the whole kid thing...but hte only pets I got are fish!

and no..my typing sucks becuase my keyboard cannot hadle how fast I type. It's better than the last one...

I had shoulder surgery again back a few months ago, and jsut got use of my arm back a coupel of weeks ago...I had been typing with one hand for like 6 months, which slowed me down a fair bit. NOw I'm back up to my 160 WPM crap, and my keyboard doesn't like it.

I need a really good mechanical..maybe at the end of the month Iwill treat myself!

You really should treat yourself, you deserve it!

Keyboards with Cherry MX have been cheap on Newegg for a while. I believe you can pick up one of the CM Storm keyboards for around $60.

cadaveca · Sep 13, 2012

Random Murderer said:
You really should treat yourself, you deserve it!
Keyboards with Cherry MX have been cheap on Newegg for a while. I believe you can pick up one of the CM Storm keyboards for around $60.

Price isn't my real consideration. I spend a lot of time typing each day, so a keyboard is something that I am more than willing to spend a few hundred on, if the cost is jsutified by features.

I need huge n-key rollever, like 25-30 keys

D007 · Sep 13, 2012

Lol some of you guys.. Idk how you do it.. All these Frankenputers sitting around, looking like table cyborgs.. :laugh:

Mine may get dusty, but it always stays fairly neat inside..

Random Murderer · Sep 13, 2012

cadaveca said:
Price isn't my real consideration. I spend a lot of time typing each day, so a keyboard is something that I am more than willing to spend a few hundred on, if the cost is jsutified by features.

That's a statement I can respect.

cadaveca said:
I need huge n-key rollever, like 25-30 keys

No idea what that means. I could look it up, but I'm at work.

cdawall · Sep 13, 2012

t_ski said:
I've used distilled water automotive anti-freeze (25% mix), plain distilled water, and distilled water PT nuke (the biocide I mentioned before). I understand that an additive can increase the effectiveness of the coolant and provide a few other features like fungi/algea/etc prevention, but with kids and pets around I like the distilled water the best. I don't have to worry about having the other stuff around or keeping anyone out of it if there is a leak.

I have both as well, but the PC is kept off when I am not home and he cannot get into the case. I could see that issue on a 24/7 on PC.

t_ski said:
Have you had experience with this too, or is this just in response to my situation?

Nope that is personal experience and why I have an entire bottle of biocide just sitting in my closet.

t_ski · Sep 13, 2012

cadaveca said:
Yeah, I mean, using distilled isn't bad..but discolouration of the water is just gonna happen. Yet I always see people mention they distilled is their coolant of choice...to me, it's a high-maintanence fluid.

The only issue with that is that some stuff the coolant picks up is going to affect cooling ability, and sometimes, say if there was a pile af gunk in one spot, using distilled may spread it over the entire loop.

Personally, I just use tap water. Every six months, blocks get pulled, and they get CLR'd.

I understand the whole kid thing...but hte only pets I got are fish!

and no..my typing sucks becuase my keyboard cannot hadle how fast I type. It's better than the last one...

I had shoulder surgery again back a few months ago, and jsut got use of my arm back a coupel of weeks ago...I had been typing with one hand for like 6 months, which slowed me down a fair bit. NOw I'm back up to my 160 WPM crap, and my keyboard doesn't like it.

I need a really good mechanical..maybe at the end of the month Iwill treat myself!

cadaveca said:
Price isn't my real consideration. I spend a lot of time typing each day, so a keyboard is something that I am more than willing to spend a few hundred on, if the cost is jsutified by features.

I need huge n-key rollever, like 25-30 keys

You need to reach out to those many manufacturers that send you review stuff and start reviewing keyboards

BTW - 160WPM? OMGWTFBBQ??!??!?!!?!!!!!1

cadaveca · Sep 13, 2012

t_ski said:
You need to reach out to those many manufacturers that send you review stuff and start reviewing keyboards

BTW - 160WPM? OMGWTFBBQ??!??!?!!?!!!!!1

I play guitar. My fingers are magic. That is all.

:wtf:

Random Murderer said:
That's a statement I can respect.

No idea what that means. I could look it up, but I'm at work.

N-Key refers to the number of keys that can be pressed at one time and still register. "n" refers to the number of keys..I guess. Not exactly sure, to be honest, but that's the gist of it anyway. ROll-over refers to being able to push them all at once. There's some test you can try while holding shoft or something that kinda shows this....I'd have to as MT ALex what it was, I forget.

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