HWBot No Longer Accepts Record Submissions from Windows 8

[Athlon2K15]

Of course it takes time to fully customize any os. What I am saying is that most linux distros come packed with drivers and apps better than any windows ever has. And about gaming - I said it's getting there...

Im sure Microsoft would love to pack Windows with apps,but everytime they do manage to sneak one in they get sued for forcing it upon users.:shadedshu

 

[Nabarun]

Im sure Microsoft would love to pack Windows with apps,but everytime they do manage to sneak one in they get sued for forcing it upon users.:shadedshu

IE cannot be classified as a free app - it's part of the os and the weakest link in system security.

 

[Mathragh]

IE cannot be classified as a free app - it's part of the os and the weakest link in system security.

Actually, the user is the weakest link in security, just like it is in linux.

Seriously though, this thread is about HWbot's problem with win8, not Linux vs Win8

 

[Nabarun]

Actually, the user is the weakest link in security, just like it is in linux.

Seriously though, this thread is about HWbot's problem with win8, not Linux vs Win8

I meant software-wise.

It's not hwbot's problem. hwbot just revealed the problem

 

[Frick]

IE cannot be classified as a free app - it's part of the os and the weakest link in system security.

Naah, not if you keep the software updated, and you can remove the executable, so that IE as a browser is not on your system (at least on Vista/7, don't know how it is in 8). The underlaying parts (like Trident) remains though.

 

[Massman]

I meant software-wise.

It's not hwbot's problem. hwbot just revealed the problem

Just a heads-up for those who are interested in this very specific 1st world problem. From the looks of it, AMD systems might not be affected by this. We'll probably keep the OS blacklisted until we know the full scope of the problem.

 

[Solidstate89]

IE cannot be classified as a free app - it's part of the os and the weakest link in system security.

It's included as part of the OS. Whether you consider that free or "as included" is academic.

Oh, and IE10/11 is one of the most secure browsers out there. The sandbox (or integrity levels as it's called in Windows) is more stringent and secure than the one Chrome uses. Chrome uses the Low_Level integrity level sandbox while IE10 and above uses the App_Locker integrity level sandbox which was what they introduced in Windows 8 to be one level even below Low_Level integrity.

My personal preference for browsers is Firefox, but if I had to pick the most secure browser to use in Windows, it would be IE10 (or 11, when it's released) without a second thought. People like you really need to educate themselves on the massive security improvements in Windows as you're all stuck in the 90's with your assumptions and bias of Windows and especially IE security. Everyone fellates Chrome and its security model when in fact it was IE that beat Chrome in both sandboxing and multi-process security.

 

[Ahhzz]

the problem is all about Windows 8

fixed.

 

[d1nky]

I thought this issue was just an win8 dx11 problem with calculating 3d renders.

 

[jihadjoe]

-> with SSD Win8 boots even faster

More like Win8 doesn't actually shut down properly.

The reason it boots faster is because it hibernates by default, instead of properly shutting down like you asked it to.

My laptop already goes into hibernate by default (usually 10-15 minutes after going into sleep, which happens when I close the lid on it). My desktop is on 24/7. When I go into the shutdown menu on either one, it's usually because I want a proper shutdown and cold boot, not a suspend-to-disk event and a resume shortly afterward.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Off topic is an understatement here, please keep on track and cut the insults otherwise my patience will dissolve as quickly as the OP topic did

 

[TRWOV]

For any(every)one not bothering to read the post:


This issue is caused by changing BCLK within Windows

So this is what happens:

1- "X" boots his PC at stock BCLK
2- W8 makes RTC calculations at boot time
3- "X" changes BCLK while in Windows.
4- W8 doesn't sync the RTC with the new BCLK value
5- "X" benches and sends dodgy result to HWBOT

AMD CPUs don't seem to be affected as Massman posted.

 

[EarthDog]

For any(every)one not bothering to read the post:


This issue is caused by changing BCLK within Windows

So this is what happens:

1- "X" boots his PC at stock BCLK
2- W8 makes RTC calculations at boot time
3- "X" changes BCLK while in Windows.
4- W8 doesn't sync the RTC with the new BCLK value
5- "X" benches and sends dodgy result to HWBOT

AMD CPUs don't seem to be affected as Massman posted.

QFT.

Who does this affect here? Like 10 people total that benchmark and post to Hwbot?? Though I suppose now that it was posted you may have some people benching it here in those scores... so, like Hwbot, just do not allow W8 to be used until it gets fixed.

Wow, a real big deal over "leaderboard" results". Who frigging cares about leaderboard results?

You would probably care if you were actually participating/competing there. Its cheating if used, plain and simple.

 

[unclewebb]

I wrote a program a while ago called WinTimerTester that compares the high performance timer to the regular timer in Windows. When adjusting the BCLK in Windows, the two timers get out of sync and WinTimerTester should show the percentage difference between the two timers.

This was originally a problem in Windows 7. Linking the high performance timer directly to the BCLK was introduced as a new feature for Windows 7 to conform to ACPI. If you adjust the BCLK in Windows 7 or Windows 8, try the WinTimerTester program and post your results.

Here's some background info.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/asu...-game-timing-problem-g60jx-2.html#post7364805

 

[cheesy999]

More like Win8 doesn't actually shut down properly.

The reason it boots faster is because it hibernates by default, instead of properly shutting down like you asked it to.

My laptop already goes into hibernate by default (usually 10-15 minutes after going into sleep, which happens when I close the lid on it). My desktop is on 24/7. When I go into the shutdown menu on either one, it's usually because I want a proper shutdown and cold boot, not a suspend-to-disk event and a resume shortly afterward.

Theres a large difference between saving the kernel to disk and saving the memory in it's entirety to disk

 

[xvi]

So, is this something that should be handled with hardware and double-checked with software?

Theres a large difference between saving the kernel to disk and saving the memory in it's entirety to disk

Let it die. If you need encouragement, see Tatty's post above.

 

[EarthDog]

So, is this something that should be handled with hardware and double-checked with software?

yes nd no as there are still easy ways around it. For example, lets say you lower bclk and run a bench. Clearly, the timer is off and so is the benchmark. So you raise the bclk back and possibly raise the mutli up a notch or two to compensate for the increase in score making it more believable.

 

[Hood]

What does this have to do with,,.. anything here? =D

I think he means that after spending thousands on high end hardware, some have no use for it except to squeeze the highest benchmarks out of it so they can brag to their friends. Not sure whether it's Haswell or Windows 8 that's making these machines into pieces of crap in his estimation...

 

[riffraffy]

Maybe it would not be a problem if it's accurately wrong , just add or subtract ...or not .

 

[Frick]

For any(every)one not bothering to read the post:


This issue is caused by changing BCLK within Windows

So this is what happens:

1- "X" boots his PC at stock BCLK
2- W8 makes RTC calculations at boot time
3- "X" changes BCLK while in Windows.
4- W8 doesn't sync the RTC with the new BCLK value
5- "X" benches and sends dodgy result to HWBOT

AMD CPUs don't seem to be affected as Massman posted.

How is it affected from throttling and boost then?

 

[Aquinus]

How is it affected from throttling and boost then?

It wouldn't because neither touches the bclk. It drops or boosts the multiplier in most cases.

 

[naoan]

I do like the improvements in the UI actually.

[*]The file transfer dialog finally makes sense with the speed graph

blink blink! but wow why is everything else looks so dead flat and drab now...?

[*]The Task manager is improved greatly

You mean you haven't used Process Explorer available since XP time?

[*]Built-In ISO mounting/burning

Great!

[*]Hyper-v

Great for average joe I guess (not)?

[*]Improved explorer UI. The ribbon is so much easier to do a lot of file ops on

And take even more spaces, also hide even more icons.

[*]Very fast boot

That saves me about 5 seconds of my life every few weeks. Based MS.

Fast boot also known to cause possible damage.

 

[Mathragh]

Why are this many people so busy with trying to convince others windows 8 is bad

Seriously, this isnt even a thread about windows 8, but still it feels like people come at it to bash win8 like flies are attracted to shi.. Poo!

I mean, its not a bad OS to use(seriously), it was actually really cheap(30 dollar/euro when it came out), and technically one of the most advanced OS-es ever made.

Noone comes to linux or old windows related threads to bash those OS-es because of their worse support or worse user friendliness now do they.



If you don't own windows 8, and didn't ever bother to properly test/use it for like a month of daily use, then imho you simply don't have a lot of right to say stuff about it.
So quit posting stuff about windows 8 already!





On topic: Has anyone heard anything about if this has been found on any platform besides Haswell yet? Looks to me atm that the problem is confined to users combining Haswell overclocking during the running of windows 8.

 

[TRWOV]

How is it affected from throttling and boost then?

throttling and boost don't change BKCL only the multiplier.

 

[Frick]

It wouldn't because neither touches the bclk. It drops or boosts the multiplier in most cases.

throttling and boost don't change BKCL only the multiplier.

Yeah, obviously. D'oh!