AMD Radeon R9 290X 4 GB

[okidna]

Just like processor counterparts,AMD usually set the TDP higher.What you see is maximum in rare occasion,such as furmark or extreme overvolting.

Errrm... Thing is, I'm not asking about TDP (TDP != maximum power draw) and w1zzard didn't even say anything about TDP (he said power configuration), and what I'm asking is exactly that, power configuration.

Why with the same power configuration (one 6pin + 8pin or 2 x 6pin) AMD cards has higher theoretical maximum power draw than NVIDIA? Is the difference coming from them (special power setup/setting from AMD)? Or is it coming from PCI-E 3.0 standard?

 

[arterius2]

Learn math please. 550$ + 150$ = 700$, not 800$.
And I can quote my post above, because you are too lazy to scroll the page up



The fact is: Titan manages to beat 290X silent mode with the help of old tech games. Starcraft 2: DirectX 9, World of Warcraft and Splinter Cell: Blacklist : DirectX 9 engine with some DX11 tweak. If you exclude these games, Titan will be more miserable in the overall result.

And, for all the folks whining about power consumption, have you ever had a look on this chart

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/R9_290X/images/perfwatt.gif

So which card needs more power to operate??? It's Titan and 780, mates.

im looking at your chart, and it says higher is better, this is an efficiency chart,(not power consumption chart) so obviously higher number = better, it shows 290x having one of the worst performance/watt in the list, you are reading it wrong! learn math!

 

[HumanSmoke]

WRONG! They are not the same when overclocked. 290X is a beast when overclocked given that you can cool it down.

You can cool any card down. What's your point?

BTW: I don't know if a pre-release leak of a 1920x1080 set of benches tells the whole story. OC3D, Linus, and Tweaktown have all posted OC v OC results and none look like those numbers as an average

you believe in TPU chart and claim that 780 is just 1% below 290 silent, let me tell you this fact: The overall chart of TPU is in fact, deceiving. In some adnormal case such as Starcraft 2, Splinter Cell: Blacklist, a.k.a games favoring old DirectX version, AMD's cards generally doesn't perform at their full potential. Only modern DirectX 11 games, which AMD's GCN cards are designed for, can take the best of AMD. The overall result, sadly, is heavily affected by the old tech games, and that doesn't feel right.

Testing should be representative of the gaming actually taking place, not how new the game is. DirectX 11 (or a Gaming Evolved title) doesn't automatically warrant inclusion in a bench suite.
Before you get your panties in a (further) wad, I'd see how the reviews play out- since a number of sites have OC vs OC reviews planned.

 

[arterius2]

Because WE LIKE IT!
Watercooling doesn't always mean performance,it more like aesthetic.Ask anyone around here who drowned their rigs,did they want to go back to the air?

I totally understand, but the amount of ignorance here is killing me tho.

first they throw out the price argument by saying 290x is ALOT cheaper (which is not, money saved couldn't even pay for a waterblock)

then they slap down the "enthusiast" card by saying that money essentially doesn't matter for them because they'll drown it underwater anyways. if so, then why make it their primary argument case to begin with?

 

[sweet]

You can cool any card down. What's your point?

BTW: I don't know if a pre-release leak of a 1920x1080 set of benches tells the whole story. OC3D, Linus, and Tweaktown have all posted OC v OC results and none look like those numbers as an average
http://img.techpowerup.org/131025/ttoc.jpg

Testing should be representative of the gaming actually taking place, not how new the game is. DirectX 11 (or a Gaming Evolved title) doesn't automatically warrant inclusion in a bench suite.
Before you get your panties in a (further) wad, I'd see how the reviews play out- since a number of sites have OC vs OC reviews planned.

The first chart is WRONG, no way a single Titan can reach that high fps.
About the games, it should be just the medium to compare card. Is there any point to use an old tech game to bench new released cards, which were designed to future proof for at least 2 years later?

I totally understand, but the amount of ignorance here is killing me tho.

first they throw out the price argument by saying 290x is ALOT cheaper

then they slap down the "enthusiast" card by saying that money essentially doesn't matter for them because they'll drown it underwater anyways. if so, then why make it their primary argument case to begin with?

You got the wrong picture here!
All hail 290X because of its performance. Even with its price, it wouldn't take the spotlight if it couldn't beat Titan. The heat/noise can be compensated with the price, that make 290x an impressive card in many sense.
And most of guys who buy a reference design card will drown it in water, except for Titan because there is no custom Titan. Normal users will buy a custom version, which can fix the heat problem. The wc solution was brought on discussion because the cost for it in 290x case is equal to a high end custom 780, with superior performance.

 

[arterius2]

The first chart is WRONG, no way a single Titan can reach that high fps.
About the games, it should be just the medium to compare card. Is there any point to use an old tech game to bench new released cards, which were designed to future proof for at least 2 years later?



You got the wrong picture here!
All hail 290X because of its performance. Even with its price, it wouldn't take the spotlight if it couldn't beat Titan. The heat/noise can be compensate with the price, that make 290x an impressive card in many sense.
And most of guys who buy a reference design card will drown it in water, except for Titan because there is no custom Titan. Normal users will buy a custom version, which can fix the heat problem. The wc solution was brought on discussion because the cost for it in 290x case is equal to a high end custom 780, with superior performance.

OH OK, so now we are talking about performance!

I think there are enough benchmarks going around now to warrant that the 290X's performance is nothing to write home about, I mean OK, it competes equally against the 780 which came out half a year ago, but it doesn't "obliterate, destroy, massacre" like people make it out to be.

 

[SIGSEGV]

BTW: I don't know if a pre-release leak of a 1920x1080 set of benches tells the whole story. OC3D, Linus, and Tweaktown have all posted OC v OC results and none look like those numbers as an average
[u/rl]http://img.techpowerup.org/131025/ttoc.jpg[/url]

wow..

OH OK, so now we are talking about performance!

I think there are enough benchmarks going around now to warrant that the 290X's performance is nothing to write home about, I mean OK, it competes equally against the 780 which came out half a year ago

ok buddy, you are the winner..

 

[arterius2]

ok buddy, you are the winner..

Not here to win anything, just to point out the obvious.

In all seriousness, the 290x is just a OC'd 780gtx with a shitty cooler that came late to the party at 75$ cheaper

 

[SIGSEGV]

Not here to win anything, just point out the obvious.

In all seriousness, the 290x is just a 780gtx with a shitty cooler that came late to the party at 75$ cheaper

what obvious? what would you say then?
i guess you would say "oh cmon guys, this card is utterly crap, thrash and junk, please avoid them at any cost"

Yes, we have already knew that this card is hot, moar power and loud. So what?

 

[sweet]

OH OK, so now we are talking about performance!

I think there are enough benchmarks going around now to warrant that the 290X's performance is nothing to write home about, I mean OK, it competes equally against the 780 which came out half a year ago, but it doesn't "obliterate, destroy, massacre" like people make it out to be.

In a DX11 intensive game like Metro LL, it's a obliteration, mate

nVi guys managed to save their faces with old tech games, it's really a shame. And I have not even mentioned 4K yet

 

[Xzibit]

Dam that shitty card..

Looks like people are already overclocking stock cards high

R3quiem - Sapphire R9 290X Stock Cooler - Ubermode @ 1161 MHz / 1625 MHz

EK Water Blocks facebook
1200/1600 easy peasy, no voltmods at all.

 

[arterius2]

In a DX11 intensive game like Metro LL, it's a obliteration, mate

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/R9_290X/images/metro_lastlight_1920_1080.gif

nVi guys managed to save their faces with old tech games, it's really a shame. And I have not even mentioned 4K yet

ummm dude, I can selectively pull benchmarks to my favor as well. doesn't show the whole picture, here:

（btw, I love how you pulled the 1080p benchmarks to make your point while there are 4k benchmark showing ~2 fps difference between the two, so lets mention 4k.)

 

[sweet]

ummm dude, I can selectively pull benchmarks to my favor as well. doesn't show the whole picture, here:

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/R9_290X/images/sc_blacklist_5760_1080.gif

Oh you brought out Splinter Cell, a nice candidate for my "old tech" statement. Do you know the age of Unreal Engine 2.5 which runs this game? Google it and you'll know what I'm implying with "old tech"
A quick hint for you from Unreal Engine's wiki

On March 24, 2011, Ubisoft Montreal revealed that UE2.5 was successfully running on the Nintendo 3DS

And here is the 4k massacre.

 

[arterius2]

Oh you brought out Splinter Cell, a nice candidate for my "old tech" statement. Do you know the age of Unreal Engine 2.5 which runs this game? Google it and you'll know what I'm implying with "old tech"
A quick hint for you from Unreal Engine's wiki


And here is the 4k massacre.

http://media.bestofmicro.com/O/U/406542/original/arma-38-fr.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/P/6/406554/original/bf3-38-fr.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/P/G/406564/original/bioshock-38-fr.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/P/R/406575/original/crysis-38-fr.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/Q/4/406588/original/metro-38-fr.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/Q/W/406616/original/tombraider-38-fr.png

once again, you are using the word massacre to describe a few fps/~10% difference
and once again, you are selectively pulling benchmarks that AMD typically do well in(this time from toms but rejects ones from tweaktown) to favor your argument.

I see no massacre here, all im seeing is exactly what a slightly OC'd 780 or titan would do and would probably still run quieter and cooler than the 290x

 

[sweet]

once again, you are using the word massacre to describe a few fps/~10% difference
and once again, you are selectively pulling benchmarks that AMD typically do well in(this time from toms but rejects ones from tweaktown) to favor your argument.

I see no massacre here, all im seeing is exactly what a slightly OC'd 780 or titan would do and would probably still run quieter and cooler than the 290x

Oh sorry. I just want to fit your word in this case. And grasp a calculator, mate. It is not 10% in overall. Good luck overclocking your 780/Titan.

Meanwhile, enthusiasts already put this card under LN2 and are busy breaking world records

 

[HumanSmoke]

And here is the 4k massacre.

Yes quite some massacre. Always looks good when you leave out the benches that don't look so good- let me guess, you left out the Skyrim bench by accident?. I bet George Armstrong Custer is rueing the fact that he couldn't "rt click>save as" the Lakota Sioux he wanted to fight.
Seeing as how you posted so many benches, I assume you were going for the completeness motif- so here's the TESV bench and the CFX/SLI 7680x1440 results:

 

[N3M3515]

once again, you are using the word massacre to describe a few fps/~10% difference
and once again, you are selectively pulling benchmarks that AMD typically do well in(this time from toms but rejects ones from tweaktown) to favor your argument.

I see no massacre here, all im seeing is exactly what a slightly OC'd 780 or titan would do and would probably still run quieter and cooler than the 290x

Wow, man, those are 6 AAA games and it beats in all.
Don't forget that if you mention gtx 780 or titan o/c, you have to wait and see what a 290x non ref will do, and as wizz said, overclocking potential of this card is without precedent.

Non reference boards won't cost more than 600 - 650 and will pull even further away from the titan and 780, so even if the 780ti is faster than 780, it will have a tough time trying to catch up to 290x non ref performance, even if it is itself a non reference version.

So, all non reference boards will take care of the noise and temp problems, and in the process augment performance by a 12% more i guess, for 50 - 100 bucks more.

More performance, less noise, less temp. You have to admit those boards will be awesome.

For me the only problem was noise, with that gone i don't care about anything else as long as bang for buck is assured.

Finally, be it with higher temps, noise and power, at the end it took the perf crown, and i personally don't see 780ti taking it back, at least not from non reference 290x boards.

So what? where does that criticism come from?, the important stuff, getting those ridiculous prices down was more important, WE, THE CONSUMERS, WIN. Isn't that more important than arguing which one is better in our SUBJETIVE opinions?

Prices are down! GOOD FOR US NO MATTER WHO WINS!

 

[H82LUZ73]

Well okay enough of the bickering please.Who cares about green vs red All i want from 290/90x is to replace my crossfire setup and not worry for another 2 years .The 290x delivers,Just have one question for Wizz

Q
When is eta of the 290 cards reviews coming? And are you testing bios mods for unlocking to 290x specs??? This is what NV guys should be worried about the most.Because the 290 will be in the sweet spot of $450-$470(based of the 280x being $350-$380and the 290x $549-$579) price range and if it unlocks to 290x specs then it has advantage over buying a 780/780ti.

 

[sweet]

Yes quite some massacre. Always looks good when you leave out the benches that don't look so good- let me guess, you left out the Skyrim bench by accident?. I bet George Armstrong Custer is rueing the fact that he couldn't "rt click>save as" the Lakota Sioux he wanted to fight.
Seeing as how you posted so many benches, I assume you were going for the completeness motif- so here's the TESV bench and the CFX/SLI 7680x1440 results:
http://img.techpowerup.org/131025/tomshw.jpg

If you read my post above, you will know that I don't want to include an old tech game like Skyrim (DirectX 9) in any comparisons.

 

[the54thvoid]

This thread has now officially turned into a blind bias shitstorm. Pretty obvious where loyalties lie.

Let's hope someone starts up a 290X owners club so we can get some refreshing perspectives based on experiences and not subjective quotes from selective sources for selective opinions.

Maybe I'll be in that 290X club..... Once I wait a month or so to see what happens when the dust settles.

 

[jigar2speed]

once again, you are using the word massacre to describe a few fps/~10% difference
and once again, you are selectively pulling benchmarks that AMD typically do well in(this time from toms but rejects ones from tweaktown) to favor your argument.

I see no massacre here, all im seeing is exactly what a slightly OC'd 780 or titan would do and would probably still run quieter and cooler than the 290x

At 4K you will notice this as a hugh difference.

 

[HumanSmoke]

Maybe I'll be in that 290X club..... Once I wait a month or so to see what happens when the dust settles.

I think I'd like to see what the 290 (non-X) brings. If the usual pricing structure holds and the second tier card sits $100-150 below the 290X, I think I'd be more inclined to go with it (AIB board design ofc)

 

[SIGSEGV]

This thread has now officially turned into a blind bias shitstorm. Pretty obvious where loyalties lie.

Let's hope someone starts up a 290X owners club so we can get some refreshing perspectives based on experiences and not subjective quotes from selective sources for selective opinions.

Maybe I'll be in that 290X club..... Once I wait a month or so to see what happens when the dust settles.

+1
couldn't agree more..

Yes quite some massacre. Always looks good when you leave out the benches that don't look so good- let me guess, you left out the Skyrim bench by accident?. I bet George Armstrong Custer is rueing the fact that he couldn't "rt click>save as" the Lakota Sioux he wanted to fight.
Seeing as how you posted so many benches, I assume you were going for the completeness motif- so here's the TESV bench and the CFX/SLI 7680x1440 results:
[u/rl]http://img.techpowerup.org/131025/tomshw.jpg[/url]

SLI Titan 2K vs CFX 290X 1K
for me that's quite impressive..

 

[HumanSmoke]

SLI Titan 2K vs CFX 290X 1K
for me that's quite impressive..

Yes it is.
As I said, I added the benches for sake of completeness.

 

[centaurius]

It's the first time I'm truly disappointed with a TPU review - was it really necessary to test 290X at resolutions below 2560x1600?

This card is meant for 4K or dual monitors resolution, and it's a monster at them.

Its results would have been so much batter if tested properly.

Wizzard, it's time to update your setup and rewrite this review.

Oh really?

Ever occurred to you that some players use a 120 Hz monitor? And game at 1920x1080 ? At least I am very interested in seeing if I can get around 120 FPS in recent games to see if I can match with a 120 HZ monitor. Not everyone just points to the 60 hz mark!