NVIDIA Files Complaints Against Samsung and Qualcomm for Patent Infringement

[Solidstate89]

As far as I know, Nature never leaves empty space.

AMD and Intel would be perfectly fine as a remaining companies, and of course, nvidia can be replaced by someone better than them.

Should I list you the reasons why I am so unhappy with nvidia and their practices?

Then I guess you've never heard of monopolies, huh? Oh, and what dedicated GPUs you can buy from Intel? Knight's Landing isn't a GPU, it's a a compute accelerator meant to compete with Tesla devices, it doesn't run a monitor.

What competitor does AMD have besides nVidia in selling to OEMs and system builders? If you're still wondering, the answer is none. No one cares why you don't like nVidia. We're better off with two competitors than one that rules the entire market. Competition helps keep prices down and forces innovation, it's as simple as that. If you disagree, you're wrong. This has nothing to do with opinions, these are facts and it doesn't matter if you disagree; you're just wrong.

 

[wiak]

The problem isn't the idea of patents , Its the fact that the patent office has no understanding of the technology they are issuing patents for, so a lot of these tech patents should have never been issued in the first place.

Example, Slide to unlock.

I'm not saying that's the case here but it is all too common.

i always like to do "Tetris to unlock"

 

[Sony Xperia S]

Then I guess you've never heard of monopolies, huh? Oh, and what dedicated GPUs you can buy from Intel? Knight's Landing isn't a GPU, it's a a compute accelerator meant to compete with Tesla devices, it doesn't run a monitor.

What competitor does AMD have besides nVidia in selling to OEMs and system builders? If you're still wondering, the answer is none. No one cares why you don't like nVidia. We're better off with two competitors than one that rules the entire market. Competition helps keep prices down and forces innovation, it's as simple as that. If you disagree, you're wrong. This has nothing to do with opinions, these are facts and it doesn't matter if you disagree; you're just wrong.

F@&$ it!

Just look at this small town in Spain and how people can live if they are good and do want it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinaleda,_Spain

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Everyone should and will be happy once nvidia goes bankrupt.

Beacuse you want AMD/ATI prices to sky rocket and have GPU technology limited. That's a good thing right? Fanboy's man...

 

[Solidstate89]

F@&$ it!

Just look at this small town in Spain and how people can live if they are good and do want it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinaleda,_Spain

That has literally less than nothing to do with the current discussion about you having this insane belief that a monopoly is good for consumers.

 

[Sony Xperia S]

Beacuse you want AMD/ATI prices to sky rocket and have GPU technology limited. That's a good thing right? Fanboy's man...

Actually I don't wanna such a thing but I am sure that once it happens one day, AMD will have plenty of resources to improve their product stack and related services to the level that indeed everybody will be happy.

That has literally less than nothing to do with the current discussion about you having this insane belief that a monopoly is good for consumers.

Neither is capitalism, my friend.

And I haven't said that monopoly is good but I have already read how some companies complain because of too much competition which limits their ability to invest.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Actually I don't wanna such a thing but I am sure that once it happens one day, AMD will have plenty of resources to improve their product stack and related services to the level that indeed everybody will be happy.



Neither is capitalism, my friend.

And I haven't said that monopoly is good but I have already read how some companies complain because of too much competition which limits their ability to invest.

Capitalism isn't good for the consumer? BWAHAHAHAHAHA

However your troll skills are above par then most I've seen lately. You managed to drag in quiet a few people in your troll net. Ill have to keep an eye on you. I may have to take you in as an apprentice.

 

[Eagleye]

Nvidia isn't just any Troll! Its a Super Troll. https://semiaccurate.com/2014/09/04/nvidia-sues-samsung-qualcomm-like-semiaccurate-said/

 

[Sony Xperia S]

Capitalism isn't good for the consumer? BWAHAHAHAHAHA

However your troll skills are above par then most I've seen lately. You managed to drag in quiet a few people in your troll net. Ill have to keep an eye on you. I may have to take you in as an apprentice.

I think you are taking too seriously and deeply in your imagination that trolling bullshit. You, guys, are making "troll" the most used and popular word lately.

Just forget it and be a better person without this nonsense.

Agree?

 

[Solidstate89]

Actually I don't wanna such a thing but I am sure that once it happens one day, AMD will have plenty of resources to improve their product stack and related services to the level that indeed everybody will be happy.



Neither is capitalism, my friend.

And I haven't said that monopoly is good but I have already read how some companies complain because of too much competition which limits their ability to invest.

That's bullshit. If any company has said competition is bad for them, that just means they can't raise their prices as high as they wish they could. Capitalism absolutely has to do with this because if you take a market that has only two competitors, and remove one of them, you're left with only one company controlling 100% of the market and having an insurmountable monopoly and the ability to charge whatever they damn well wish without pushing the tech or market forward at all because there's no motivation to do.

History is literally littered with examples of this, yet you just flat out refuse to accept this fact. This alone astounds me.

Your posts are also totally and completely nonsensical. They either have literally nothing to do with the topic at hand (what does some town in Spain have to do with anything?), or show such incredible levels of cognitive dissonance that it just frankly stupifies me.

I'm done with you. You are clearly intentionally ignorant on the topic due to some misplaced and unnecessary hatred of a company, or you're just a damn troll. Either way, there's no point discussing any of this with you any further.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I think you are taking too seriously and deeply in your imagination that trolling bullshit. You, guys, are making "troll" the most used and popular word lately.

Just forget it and be a better person without this nonsense.

Agree?

You have no clue who you are talking to do you?

 

[HumanSmoke]

AMD and Intel would be perfectly fine as a remaining companies, and of course, nvidia can be replaced by someone better than them.

The actual prime candidate given Nvidia's IP portfolio would be Samsung - for your sake, I hope this ends up with Samsung paying way over the odds for Nvidia to settle this suit, ploughing money into ARM 64-bit servers SoC's. Should give AMD something to think about...having to carve out a future against Nvidia's IP + Samsung in the same HSA environment.

 

[Batou1986]

Like AMD sue Intel more than 30 years already?

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/11/12/a-timeline-of-intel-and-amds-legal-battles/

Did you even read that ?
All patent litigation ended in 1997 the rest is literally Intel using back room deals and stacks of cash to persuade companies not to use AMD products.
Also AMD never sued Intel they only filed antitrust complaints.

 

[1d10t]

programmable shading, unified shaders and multithreaded parallel processing.

This is hilarious,the next thing they will sue all android GPU's for using hardware overlays and graphics core as general purpose computing.

 

[john_]

Well, someone had and posted a very good and funny photo about that "a thousand engineering-years" in Nvidia's PR. I am just borrowing his picture

Antikythera mechanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ValenOne]

Like AMD sue Intel more than 30 years already?

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/11/12/a-timeline-of-intel-and-amds-legal-battles/



Not in this solar system, troll.



http://www.androidcentral.com/50000-units-xiaomis-mipad-sold-just-under-four-minutes
http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/0...6-million-cars-now-running-nvidia-processors/



AMD is red=rage how they want $700 for free FreeSync.



Nvidia must learned this from industry leader AMD?

http://www.cnet.com/news/intel-to-pay-amd-1-25-billion-in-antitrust-settlement/

I haven't paid $700 USD for my R9-290.

 

[Cheeseball]

Adreno is nothing like Radeon HD -series.
First Adreno, Adreno 200, was also known as AMD Z430. Most similar AMD/ATI GPU to that was Xenos in XB360, but even that isn't that close. Sure, it's unified shaders etc, but that's about it.
Since Adreno 200, all Adrenos have been developed in-house by Qualcomm (by ex-AMD/ATI/BitBoys people who they aquired with the Imageon tech etc) and every iteration has pushed them further and further away from Z430 roots

The latest Adreno GPUs are VILW5-based, therefore, like the Radeon HD 5000 series. They may now be built differently, but they have the same microarchitecture.

 

[ValenOne]

The latest Adreno GPUs are VILW5-based, therefore, like the Radeon HD 5000 series. They may now be built differently, but they have the same microarchitecture.

Well, AMD Radeon HD's VLIW5 based design spans from Radeon HD 2900 to 6870.

The first multi-thread unified shader GPU is AMD's Xenos i.e. 64 threads over 48 unified shader pipelines(1). Xenos' unified shader pipeline setup is 1 scalar + 1 SIMD4 instead of VLIW5.

1. From http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=381592
ATI Xenos: XBOX 360 Graphics Demystified

"XENOS is capable of processing 64 threads simultaneously, this is to make sure that all elements are being utilized and so there is minimal or no stalling of the graphics architecture"

AMD's Xenos (Xbox 360) was released before NVIDIA's GeForce 8800.

From http://news.priorsmart.com/advanced-micro-devices-v-lg-electronics-la2U/
AMD sues LG on GPU patents and LG uses ARM based SoC chipsets.
Filed on March 5, 2014.

From http://www.law360.com/articles/515848/amd-picks-patent-fight-with-lg-over-graphics-technology
AMD is using it's multithreaded shader GPU patents to sue LG.

"The allegedly infringing products include LG televisions, smartphones, tablets, Blu-ray players, projectors and appliances that embody or practice the patented inventions"

LG should follow Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo in licensing AMD's IP blocks. NVIDIA should aim a little higher and sues all of Samsung's products that uses unified GPUs

AMD's multithreaded shader GPU patents

Multi-thread graphics processing system
http://www.law360.com/patents/7742053

Graphics processing architecture employing a unified shader
http://www.law360.com/patents/7327369

Graphics processing architecture employing a unified shader
http://www.law360.com/patents/6889332

 

[SIGSEGV]

This is beyond hilarious,the next thing they will sue all android GPU's for using hardware overlays and graphics core as general purpose computing.

Fixed.

Get some popcorn and watch this drama. It's very exciting on how this drama will end. Pity nvidia.

 

[HumanSmoke]

Get some popcorn and watch this drama. It's very exciting on how this drama will end

Exciting?
It will end up with a sterile PR release about licencing that won't mean anything to the average consumer OR a judgement voiding the complaint or awarding Nvidia a settlement - which unless you're an Nvidia shareholder won't affect the average consumer either

Pity nvidia.

I wouldn't worry, I doubt Nvidia entered into this is they thought they couldn't shoulder the legal bills. Worst case scenario: The jury find no case to answer - not as if the case will be primetime viewing - and they're out legal costs. Best case scenario for company shareholders: Qualcomm or Samsung shell out some bucks and buy Nvidia to make the problem go away and the graphics landscape looks a whole lot more interesting. Median case scenario: Nvidia gets some royalties - hardly a reason to pity them.

You want to pity anyone, then I'd suggest the twelve average Joe's on the jury who are about to spend possibly years becoming more acquainted with the 3D graphics pipeline and logic than they ever thought possible

 

[Steevo]

You have no clue who you are talking to do you?

These younguns have no idea man, better to have a beer and let it go. Or go on a ramapage.

 

[Naito]

About why nvidia should go bankrupt.

Well, simply because I don't see their value in the market whatsoever and without them there will be the better situation. I believe they will bankrupt in the future.

Yeah, so Nvidia will lose the ability to further R&D (due to possible restructure in the unlikely event bankruptcy occurs) and AMD will have free reign to charge whatever exorbitant prices for their products they went. And you're someone who probably thinks Nvidia's GPU pricing is already bad enough (mainly due to AMDs inability to be as competitive).... imagine AMD on the flip side...

Nvidia isn't just any Troll! Its a Super Troll. https://semiaccurate.com/2014/09/04/nvidia-sues-samsung-qualcomm-like-semiaccurate-said/

Semiaccurate. End of story. They're just as much trolls as Nvidia supposedly is with this latest case. Besides, it's their FIRST patent lawsuit. Hardly a reason to be a patent troll. Every company is within their rights to chase damages regardless of whether or not they have a leg to stand on. If anything, it helps push innovation as research is often initiate to find ways around patents.

Here is Nvidia's own blog topic regarding the case. As it is often said; there are always two sides to a story. I'm not saying Nvidia is in the right or wrong. I don't have a law degree and many of you here probably don't either. Lets just leave it to the courts.

EDIT: It seems something similar happened in the past between Intel and Nvidia. Intel agreed to pay $1.5 billion in exchange for access to Nvidia's patent portfolio. Seems Nvidia may have a leg to stand on afterall, even it is slightly different in circumstance. It may explain why Intels IGPs are getting better very quickly.

 

[HumanSmoke]

Semiaccurate. End of story. Their just as much trolls as Nvidia supposedly is with this latest case.

Oh lord, Semiaccurate - the place where idiocy goes to wave its deformed genitals in the face of logic
Ol' Charlie predicted that Nvidia wouldn't get a cent out of their last lawsuit - he was only out by 1.5 billion dollars. He is good for a laugh though. Did you know that the GPU market will be dead in a year?, and that the high end desktop graphics market actually died in 2012 ? If you didn't then you need to sign up for Charlie's special analysis - it's only a $1000, and you can get great insights like this:

EDIT: It seems something similar happened into the past between Intel and Nvidia. Intel agreed to pay $1.5 billion in exchange for access to Nvidia's patent portfolio. Seems Nvidia may have a leg to stand on afterall. It may explain why Intels IGPs are getting better very quickly.

Might also have something to do with the EU resurrecting Icera's antitrust complaint against Qualcomm - they were an independent company when the complaint was made- they are now owned by Nvidia.

 

[ValenOne]

I'm only wondering, why Samsung? What about my Patent-Infringed Cubietruck with Mali-400 MP or thousands of other brands of devices utilizing either one of those graphical cores?



Dunno about that. They might still suck in mobile segment, but without NVidia we wouldn't have CUDA, Programmable Shaders, upcoming GPU Virtualization or cheapest supercomputing platform ever. PhysX was originally build by Ageia around GeForce 7800GT GPU. Now we get Tegra K1, which has twice as many cuda cores as my laptop.

Ageia PhysX wasn't designed around NVIDIA's Geforce 7800 GT GPU i.e. Ageia PhysX accelerator board was based on PPU. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_processing_unit

"It consists of a general purpose RISC core controlling an array of custom SIMD floating point VLIW processors working in local banked memories".

Yeah, so Nvidia will lose the ability to further R&D (due to possible restructure in the unlikely event bankruptcy occurs) and AMD will have free reign to charge whatever exorbitant prices for their products they went. And you're someone who probably thinks Nvidia's GPU pricing is already bad enough (mainly due to AMDs inability to be as competitive).... imagine AMD on the flip side...
Semiaccurate. End of story. They're just as much trolls as Nvidia supposedly is with this latest case. Besides, it's their FIRST patent lawsuit. Hardly a reason to be a patent troll. Every company is within their rights to chase damages regardless of whether or not they have a leg to stand on. If anything, it helps push innovation as research is often initiate to find ways around patents.
Here is Nvidia's own blog topic regarding the case. As it is often said; there are always two sides to a story. I'm not saying Nvidia is in the right or wrong. I don't have a law degree and many of you here probably don't either. Lets just leave it to the courts.
EDIT: It seems something similar happened in the past between Intel and Nvidia. Intel agreed to pay $1.5 billion in exchange for access to Nvidia's patent portfolio. Seems Nvidia may have a leg to stand on afterall, even it is slightly different in circumstance. It may explain why Intels IGPs are getting better very quickly.

It depends on the relationship between Qualcomm and AMD i.e. Qualcomm may have to show any agreements with AMD. AMD is suing LG with AMD's multithreading unified shader GPU patents i.e. ARM loves to license it's IP to 3rd parties, but it doesn't readily do the reverse.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/79472-amd-licenses-graphics-tech-to-QUALCOMM
Advanced Micro Devices said Tuesday that it had agreed to license certain graphics technologies to Qualcomm, which will use the in forthcoming handheld products.

“This agreement will bring AMD’s patented Unified Shader Architecture – first introduced in the Microsoft Xbox 360 gaming system – to QUALCOMM’s advanced Mobile Station Modem (MSM) chipsets, potentially reaching many millions of mobile phone users,” AMD said in a statement.

 

[1d10t]

Fixed.
Get some popcorn and watch this drama. It's very exciting on how this drama will end. Pity nvidia.

Thanks pal

Exciting?
It will end up with a sterile PR release about licencing that won't mean anything to the average consumer OR a judgement voiding the complaint or awarding Nvidia a settlement - which unless you're an Nvidia shareholder won't affect the average consumer either

I wouldn't worry, I doubt Nvidia entered into this is they thought they couldn't shoulder the legal bills. Worst case scenario: The jury find no case to answer - not as if the case will be primetime viewing - and they're out legal costs. Best case scenario for company shareholders: Qualcomm or Samsung shell out some bucks and buy Nvidia to make the problem go away and the graphics landscape looks a whole lot more interesting. Median case scenario: Nvidia gets some royalties - hardly a reason to pity them.

You want to pity anyone, then I'd suggest the twelve average Joe's on the jury who are about to spend possibly years becoming more acquainted with the 3D graphics pipeline and logic than they ever thought possible

Nah..nVidia will doing fine about their patents.But let me tell you something,nVidia is pointing gun to wrong men.Why do you think this is all about hardware?please take a look at this snipped android GPU library...

GPUConfig *customFilter = [[GPUImageFilter alloc] initWithFragmentShaderFromFile"CustomShader"];
EGLConfig chooseConfig() {
int[] attribList = new int[] {
EGL_DEPTH_SIZE, 0,
EGL_STENCIL_SIZE, 0,
EGL_RED_SIZE, 8,
EGL_GREEN_SIZE, 8,
EGL_BLUE_SIZE, 8,
EGL_ALPHA_SIZE, 8,
EGL10.EGL_RENDERABLE_TYPE, 4,
EGL_NONE
void listConfig() {
for (EGLConfig config : mEGLConfigs) {
int d, s, r, g, b, a;
d = getConfigAttrib(config, EGL_DEPTH_SIZE);
s = getConfigAttrib(config, EGL_STENCIL_SIZE);
r = getConfigAttrib(config, EGL_RED_SIZE);
g = getConfigAttrib(config, EGL_GREEN_SIZE);
b = getConfigAttrib(config, EGL_BLUE_SIZE);
a = getConfigAttrib(config, EGL_ALPHA_SIZE);

Got my point?Even crap Mali and slowpoke Broadcomm Video Core can be forced to do specific shading instruction and parallel processing.Now what...sue all of community,take a shot to Google's Android or tickle Samsung for not using their Tegra?