NVIDIA Disables GeForce GTX 900M Mobile GPU Overclocking with Driver Update

[aliminvte]

If your gaming laptop overheats, then it's a shit laptop. good laptops do not cook themselves like that, dell cheaped out and it killed the machine. A good clevo wont do that. And besides, that era of mobile gpus had BGA solder problems, which killed a LOT of mobile gpus. that does not make gaming laptops less viable.

In the particular comment you are replying to, the m1710 was equipped with a poorly soldered nvidia GPU (7950) in which they were sued for. I was an m1710 owner and I called dell about my video card issue. They refunded me my money even though it was 2 years old bc of the fact that those GPUs were known to fail (bc nvidia cheaped out). We're those shit laptops? No. I still have an m1710 running amazing with a repaired 7950gtx that I gave to my dad. He loves it and it works great to this day (9 years old!). Either way, people need to understand that laptops are fully capable of overclocking without problems with overheating. I've been doing it for years, so all you children (not who I'm replying to) need to realize you're making yourself look really dumb with your "there's no such thing as gaming laptops" comments.

 

[Toothless]

Iunno about you guys but a buddy of mine got this..

 

[Caring1]

so all you children (not who I'm replying to) need to realize you're making yourself look really dumb with your "there's no such thing as gaming laptops" comments.

That's real mature of you and ironic too.

 

[aliminvte]

That's real mature of you and ironic too.

How so? If you're making those comments then you clearly haven't tried doing it and are just trying to get a rise, or troll, people. So yeah, when I say children, I mean it as if "grow up and stop trying to take a piss"

 

[Cheeseball]

2 things, 1 the whole iMac is having temp issues from what I've seen including the CPU and GPU which is apparent by the fact they put a very pitiful cooling system inside. Does not matter the size as the device itself is pretty much without decent airflow. Linus Tech Tips for instance saw throttling on the CPU constantly when heavy stressing it. Next the R9 M295X is also available in Alienware currently but only a few select models.

Yeah, I missed the Alienware line up for the M295X.

GTX480

Not sure why you're referencing the GTX 480. I know that overheats like a BBQ grill but it's not a mobile part and most of the card OEMs did honor RMAs because of it, but remember that's a single component and not a MXM module or AIO motherboard.

My point is that it's most likely the OEMs forcing NVIDIA to remove the overclocking functionality to save on RMAs and repair fraud. I know how great it is to overclock a laptop since I have an ASUS K43SV with an older 2nd gen. i5 + GT 540M combo in it myself. I'm not sure why AMD hasn't done the same.

For the majority of these "normal" OEMs like Toshiba, DELL, HP, ASUS, MSI, Acer, etc., overclocking is a business risk to them in terms of aftersales repairs. Yes, some of those brands have high-end models that scream gaming/enthusiast, but in the end they don't want to be doing returns or RMAs because it costs them, especially if its due to overclocking which is not easily traced. They do not want to take the risk regardless if throttling or safety nets are in place.

It sucks that they have to do this, but then again they invested in NVIDIA for their mobile graphics so they get to tell them what to do with their drivers on mobile parts and pre-built OEM systems.

 

[xfia]

maybe pressure from a few manufacturers but probably not msi most of all and asus too.. I could see msi being salty about this.. I dont think any other manufacturer supports overclocking so much. not really fair at all when some of the laptops affected are very expensive and damn near a trophy.

I would like to see approval for overclocking on models that can handle it.. much more responsible and it would be respectful to manufactures that really know how to make the best laptop.

 

[Caring1]

How so? If you're making those comments then you clearly haven't tried doing it and are just trying to get a rise, or troll, people. So yeah, when I say children, I mean it as if "grow up and stop trying to take a piss"

Sorry, only troll I see is you, making idiotic statements like that when there is historical proof of many so called "gaming" laptops dying due to heat.
Begone troll! I won't bother replying any more.

 

[aliminvte]

Sorry, only troll I see is you, making idiotic statements like that when there is historical proof of many so called "gaming" laptops dying due to heat.
Begone troll! I won't bother replying any more.

You're taking "so - called" gaming laptops. I'm talking real gaming laptops. Alienware m18x can support SLI cards and has perfectly normal temps. You're prob thinking of some thin ultrabook with a 7series or something. I doubt you've even owned a nice laptop that can handle the GPU overclocked. I've had more that 5, and I have 3 right now, so please tell me who the troll is here?

 

[PLAfiller]

The Quick Poll is picking up speed. So far about 60% said "no", and that's on highly specified tech forum. That means in the "real world" the difference should be even bigger, way bigger. I think?

 

[birdie]

Are you crazy people?

NVIDIA has never sold "overclocking" as a feature. NVIDIA is right in regard to safety considerations. NVIDIA is not a charity and it's their right to sell faster clocked chips for more money.

And it's your right to never buy laptops with NVIDIA GPUs ever again. I hardly understand what all the fuss is about.

 

[Fluffmeister]

More people need to go AMD frankly, but I'm not sure they offer this sort of performance in the mobile space currently.

Doh!

 

[PLAfiller]

More people need to go AMD frankly,

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EDIT: Img fixed. Fluffmeister, I think you thanked too soon. I'm usually rooting for the green team

 

[buggalugs]

Are you crazy people?

NVIDIA has never sold "overclocking" as a feature. NVIDIA is right in regard to safety considerations. NVIDIA is not a charity and it's their right to sell faster clocked chips for more money.

And it's your right to never buy laptops with NVIDIA GPUs ever again. I hardly understand what all the fuss is about.

Oh really?? Whats this then??

http://www.nvidia.com/object/ntune_5.05.54.00.html

and what about this GPU Boost software provided by Nvidia on a NVidia website,?

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/gpu-boost-2

..and why do Nvidia partners "sell" overclocking Nvidia cards as a feature??

Why do Asus supply "GPU tweak" with NVidia based products? and why does MSI provide "afterburner" with their Nvidia products? and why does EVGA supply "Precision" software with their NVidia products? This software comes with Asus Rog notebooks and MSI gaming notebooks.

If you just spent $1500-$2000+ on a gaming notebook and have been happily overclocking, you would understand what the fuss is about.

 

[Mr. Fox]

NVIDIA sucks because of their haughty attitude. They've really overstepped their boundaries this time. It's none of their damned business if we choose to overclock our GPUs. That they've taken the illegal liberty of putting anti-overclocking malware in their latest drivers shows how dishonorable they truly are.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Based on your sig I can see why you'd be upset.... ouch.

 

[Cheeseball]

http://www.nvidia.com/object/ntune_5.05.54.00.html

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/gpu-boost-2

..and why do Nvidia partners "sell" overclocking Nvidia cards as a feature??

Why do Asus supply "GPU tweak" with NVidia based products? and why does MSI provide "afterburner" with their Nvidia products? and why does EVGA supply "Precision" software with their NVidia products? This software comes with Asus Rog notebooks and MSI gaming notebooks.

nTune is/was meant for desktop cards, but seems like it can be used for mobile parts as well.

GPU Boost is a built-in feature of modern NVIDIA cards to automatically increase clocks on load, much like AMD's Turbo Core. It's not really "overclocking" because it's part of the specification.

GPU Tweak, Afterburner, Precision and all the other tuning tools while very useful, are used by those OEMs as marketing stunts to sell their desktop cards.

You may have misunderstood birdie's rant.

ASUS ROGs, MSI GT/GS-series, Clevo's x-series and other desktop replacement laptops are the exception, particularly because the OEMs themselves allow it or it falls within their warranty, which is why their support usually tell you to use their drivers instead of the stock NVIDIA/AMD ones (albeit OEM drivers are slightly modified and/or outdated).

 

[aliminvte]

Oh really?? Whats this then??

http://www.nvidia.com/object/ntune_5.05.54.00.html

and what about this GPU Boost software provided by Nvidia on a NVidia website,?

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/gpu-boost-2

..and why do Nvidia partners "sell" overclocking Nvidia cards as a feature??

Why do Asus supply "GPU tweak" with NVidia based products? and why does MSI provide "afterburner" with their Nvidia products? and why does EVGA supply "Precision" software with their NVidia products? This software comes with Asus Rog notebooks and MSI gaming notebooks.

If you just spent $1500-$2000+ on a gaming notebook and have been happily overclocking, you would understand what the fuss is about.

These people aren't getting it because they don't own the high end notebooks and have never had fun playing with the hardware... They're here to cause problems.

 

[redeye]

how about this 970M, asus 751jt-dh72-ca. (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834232227&cm_re=970m-_-34-232-227-_-Product)

Fire strike benchmark... HEAVENLY, lol...

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/3715676

The score is 6666...

 

[Mr. Fox]

Wow, they should have told me this a long time ago, ha ha!

No reason not to overclock a decent laptop for benching... been doing it for years now without consequence. No need to overclock for simple gameplay, but life would be far too boring if all there was to do was play games. If you cut corners and buy a junky laptop to save a few bucks, it might get too hot, but thermals are never an issue with a good machine.

It sure did take them a LONG time to discover and fix that "bug" LOL. If they are going to be liars, they should at least try harder. They're not very good at it.

980M SLI - http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/9405275

780M SLI - http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8291584

680M SLI - http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6924868

580M SLI - http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/3497119

 

[Captain_Tom]

Oh really?? Whats this then??

http://www.nvidia.com/object/ntune_5.05.54.00.html

and what about this GPU Boost software provided by Nvidia on a NVidia website,?

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/gpu-boost-2

..and why do Nvidia partners "sell" overclocking Nvidia cards as a feature??

Why do Asus supply "GPU tweak" with NVidia based products? and why does MSI provide "afterburner" with their Nvidia products? and why does EVGA supply "Precision" software with their NVidia products? This software comes with Asus Rog notebooks and MSI gaming notebooks.

If you just spent $1500-$2000+ on a gaming notebook and have been happily overclocking, you would understand what the fuss is about.

Bingo!

 

[birdie]

Oh really?? Whats this then??

http://www.nvidia.com/object/ntune_5.05.54.00.html

and what about this GPU Boost software provided by Nvidia on a NVidia website,?

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/gpu-boost-2

..and why do Nvidia partners "sell" overclocking Nvidia cards as a feature??

Why do Asus supply "GPU tweak" with NVidia based products? and why does MSI provide "afterburner" with their Nvidia products? and why does EVGA supply "Precision" software with their NVidia products? This software comes with Asus Rog notebooks and MSI gaming notebooks.

If you just spent $1500-$2000+ on a gaming notebook and have been happily overclocking, you would understand what the fuss is about.

1. nTune has long been discontinued and it doesn't support modern NVIDIA GPUs.
2. GPU boost is not overclocking. Maybe you have to read again what it does and how it works.
3. I don't care what OEMs provide - NVIDIA doesn't mention "overclocking" on their website.
4. Spending $2K on a gaming laptop sounds like a bad joke. $2K could/should be spent on a much better gaming PC (much better cooling, upgradability, acoustics and you can use up to five monitors).

Sigh.

P.S. Why don't you blame Intel and AMD for not providing the means to overclock mobile CPUs. Huh?

 

[Mr. Fox]

NVIDIA's just being stupid. Let's not drag Intel and AMD into the discussion in order to distract us from the matter at hand. And, to set the records straight... mobile Intel CPUs DO OVERCLOCK... Extremely well (pun intended). Only the uninformed folks that live in their own little isolated world think otherwise. It's truly amazing how many people speak about things they have no knowledge of.

Like their desktop counterparts, you have to pay extra for an unlocked CPU. The crappy average processors don't do much in a desktop or a laptop. If you're an average Joe that buys a "gaming laptop" from BestBuy or NewEgg you do not get solid hardware. You get cheap gamer-boy garbage. Pay for average, get average. Pay for awesome, get awesome. There are no free rides in desktop or laptop world. $2,000 doesn't get you anything worth having in a desktop or a laptop. Good stuff begins to happen at about twice that budget.

AW18: Intel Core i7 4930MX @ 5.0GHz: http://valid.canardpc.com/nqhu1p


M18xR2: Intel Core i7 Extreme 3920XM @ 4.9GHz: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2833018


M18xR1: Intel Core i7 Extreme 2920XM @ 4.9GHz: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2469131


And, my laptop with a desktop CPU installed in it...

P570WM: Intel Core i7 4930K @ 4.6GHz: http://valid.canardpc.com/qbn00c

 

[newtekie1]

bc nvidia cheaped out

Just to be clear, this wasn't an issue of nVidia cheaping out. The problem was a growing pain that basically all the chip manufacturers went through with the transition to lead-free solder. AMD's RS880M chipset was notorious for failing because of the solder joints for the same reason, I had two laptops with this issue. When HP did their recall of laptops with the bad nVidia chips they sneaked a bunch of Intel chipset machines in there with the same problem too, but no one seemed to notice or care.

 

[Mr. Fox]

I had an HP with the NVIDIA defect. That was quite some time ago. Around 2009 or 2010 if I recall correctly. We got a "free" turd Compaq CQ $300 laptop as a replacement for my wife's $900 laptop in that joke of a Class Action "settlement" award.

NVIDIA has not fabricated any technical excuses for their arbitrary and baseless new Gestapo policy against laptop overclocking. See post above... solder isn't a problem. 580M, 680M, 780M have taken tons of overclocking in my machines without issue. Too many highly successful and extremely reliable laptop overclockers exist for their current policy to be viewed as valid.

Truth be told, there is potentially an engineering defect in the new Maxwell MXM cards that they want to deflect responsibility for just as they did in the Bumpgate Class Action suit already mentioned. This unexpected stance they are taking now smacks of something sneaky and underhanded lurking in the shadows.

 

[James D]

I knew there are many didiots who own desktop and just afraid of mobile GPU performance so they attack notebook owners with limited sense. Crying that notebooks can't be overclocked anyway.

But I just didn't know that there are SO MANY!