I'd defer back to btarunr he said it best!
Where?
I'd defer back to btarunr he said it best!
Please explain how fast vram can compensate for it's small size when a game is calling for >2GB of data for one frame.
System Name | RBMK-1000 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5700G |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG Strix B450-E Gaming |
Cooling | DeepCool Gammax L240 V2 |
Memory | 2x 8GB G.Skill Sniper X |
Video Card(s) | Palit GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GameRock |
Storage | Western Digital Black NVMe 512GB |
Display(s) | BenQ 1440p 60 Hz 27-inch |
Case | Corsair Carbide 100R |
Audio Device(s) | ASUS SupremeFX S1220A |
Power Supply | Cooler Master MWE Gold 650W |
Mouse | ASUS ROG Strix Impact |
Keyboard | Gamdias Hermes E2 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro |
That's probably another one of those "facts" you found via your magic ass, right?
System Name | MoneySink |
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Processor | 2600K @ 4.8 |
Motherboard | P8Z77-V |
Cooling | AC NexXxos XT45 360, RayStorm, D5T+XSPC tank, Tygon R-3603, Bitspower |
Memory | 16GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3-1600C8 |
Video Card(s) | GTX 780 SLI (EVGA SC ACX + Giga GHz Ed.) |
Storage | Kingston HyperX SSD (128) OS, WD RE4 (1TB), RE2 (1TB), Cav. Black (2 x 500GB), Red (4TB) |
Display(s) | Achieva Shimian QH270-IPSMS (2560x1440) S-IPS |
Case | NZXT Switch 810 |
Audio Device(s) | onboard Realtek yawn edition |
Power Supply | Seasonic X-1050 |
Software | Win8.1 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 3.5 litres of Pale Ale in 18 minutes. |
Awesome. Care to share a link.Nah, finance.google.com .
System Name | RBMK-1000 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5700G |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG Strix B450-E Gaming |
Cooling | DeepCool Gammax L240 V2 |
Memory | 2x 8GB G.Skill Sniper X |
Video Card(s) | Palit GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GameRock |
Storage | Western Digital Black NVMe 512GB |
Display(s) | BenQ 1440p 60 Hz 27-inch |
Case | Corsair Carbide 100R |
Audio Device(s) | ASUS SupremeFX S1220A |
Power Supply | Cooler Master MWE Gold 650W |
Mouse | ASUS ROG Strix Impact |
Keyboard | Gamdias Hermes E2 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro |
Awesome. Care to share a link.
GPU R&D costs tend to be a rare information commodity as a general rule. Last comprehensive costing for a single large GPU I've seen was the $475million in R&D Nvidia spent getting the G80 to market.
In most case a proper optimization from driver could fix that problem, said Macri, AMD CTO.
With Fiji, AMD too has a new lossless texture compression mojo, just like NVIDIA.
Except HBM is the only reason this card can be this small, and the only reason it is capable of the performance.
No, that is an arrogant statement. The memory issue with the 970 doesn't much matter when it is kicking the crap out of everything AMD puts out, even with their 512-bit 4GB, and SLI 970s have been praised as the best bang for the buck for 4k for a good long while.
His statement was accurate, not arrogant. We are all getting excited over AMD finally doing something that nVidia did 9 months ago. And AMD has the advantage of HBM saving them an insane amount of PCB space.
System Name | 4K-gaming |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X |
Motherboard | Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 50 |
Memory | 32GB Kingston HyperX Fury DDR4-3466 |
Video Card(s) | Asus GeForce RTX 3080 TUF OC 10GB |
Storage | 256+240+128+480+2x1TB SSDs + 3TB HDDs |
Display(s) | Acer 27" 4K120 IPS + Lenovo 32" 4K60 IPS |
Case | Corsair 4000D Airflow White |
Audio Device(s) | Asus TUF H3 Wireless |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | Logitech MX518 + Asus TUF P1 mousepad |
Keyboard | Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift CV1 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | It runs Crysis |
System Name | MoneySink |
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Processor | 2600K @ 4.8 |
Motherboard | P8Z77-V |
Cooling | AC NexXxos XT45 360, RayStorm, D5T+XSPC tank, Tygon R-3603, Bitspower |
Memory | 16GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3-1600C8 |
Video Card(s) | GTX 780 SLI (EVGA SC ACX + Giga GHz Ed.) |
Storage | Kingston HyperX SSD (128) OS, WD RE4 (1TB), RE2 (1TB), Cav. Black (2 x 500GB), Red (4TB) |
Display(s) | Achieva Shimian QH270-IPSMS (2560x1440) S-IPS |
Case | NZXT Switch 810 |
Audio Device(s) | onboard Realtek yawn edition |
Power Supply | Seasonic X-1050 |
Software | Win8.1 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 3.5 litres of Pale Ale in 18 minutes. |
It's a nice achievement, but let's not get carried away. Fiji looks to be a doubled up Tonga minus the GDDR5 MC's and interface (the lack of HDMI 2.0 and FL 12_1 support, and added DCC tend to make Fiji look like it is reusing Tonga's logic blocks) . It is also only a single GPU, to which I guess you can add Iceland at the bottom end of the market. The company still don't seem to have tackled the mainstream/performance segment with a GPU that can pull double duty as enthusiast mobile, and they are still fielding a GPU in the current/future lineup that lacks TrueAudio and FreeSync support - AMD's principle broad-based marketing focus.No. I meant to say that a company with 1/8th the monies could catch up with NVIDIA in less than a year.
nVidia delivers what it claims... 4 GB.Since its AMD, I am going to be skeptical about all the claims until proven by a reliable 3rd party authority.
System Name | Games/internet/usage |
---|---|
Processor | I7 5820k 4.2 Ghz |
Motherboard | ASUS X99-A2 |
Cooling | custom water loop for cpu and gpu |
Memory | 16GiB Crucial Ballistix Sport 2666 MHz |
Video Card(s) | Radeon Rx 6800 XT |
Storage | Samsung XP941 500 GB + 1 TB SSD |
Display(s) | Dell 3008WFP |
Case | Caselabs Magnum M8 |
Audio Device(s) | Shiit Modi 2 Uber -> Matrix m-stage -> HD650 |
Power Supply | beQuiet dark power pro 1200W |
Mouse | Logitech MX518 |
Keyboard | Corsair K95 RGB |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
I thought that only improved bandwidth, not capacity? At least I don't recall it ever being mentioned as capacity enhancing. Seems like that would have come out during the 970 debacle.
System Name | Firelance. |
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Processor | Threadripper 3960X |
Motherboard | ROG Strix TRX40-E Gaming |
Cooling | IceGem 360 + 6x Arctic Cooling P12 |
Memory | 8x 16GB Patriot Viper DDR4-3200 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Ventus 2X OC |
Storage | 2TB WD SN850X (boot), 4TB Crucial P3 (data) |
Display(s) | 3x AOC Q32E2N (32" 2560x1440 75Hz) |
Case | Enthoo Pro II Server Edition (Closed Panel) + 6 fans |
Power Supply | Fractal Design Ion+ 2 Platinum 760W |
Mouse | Logitech G602 |
Keyboard | Logitech G613 |
Software | Windows 10 Professional x64 |
And it did that with 1/8th the budget.
Nano has 4 GB of HBM. 970 has 3.5 GB of GDDR5.
And you said "reach parity"? Oh well...
It's not as simple as you think.So the frame-buffer for FHD is what 1920*1080*4 (32 bit) *2 (2 frames, 1 displayed, 1 working on)/ = 16588800/1024/1024 = 15.82 MB
OMG !!! How are we going to fit 16 MB into 4096 MB?
With 4k there will be even a bigger problem. We will need 16 MB * 4 = 64 MB. Disaster ! We are DOOMED !
No this will never work, they should stop this inception before it destroys everything.
Oh well ... there is hope in this world though. We have the mighty iGPUs which can run FHD even with their tiny shared frame-buffers.
Consumers don't care about budgets, they care about bang for buck and performance/watt. The latter is something AMD has been lacking for so long, hence why they only have 1/8th the budget to work with. Not to mention that nVIDIA already has working samples of Pascal, while AMD is probably going to pull another Hawaii and recycle Fury for the next 3 generations.
Fact: GTX 970 has 4GB GDDR5.
Fact: GTX 970 can address 4GB GDDR5.
Fact: you are a troll, and a poor one at that.
System Name | Zen |
---|---|
Processor | Ryzen 5950X |
Motherboard | MSI |
Cooling | Noctua |
Memory | G.Skill 32G |
Video Card(s) | RX 7900 XTX |
Storage | never enough |
Display(s) | not OLED :-( |
Keyboard | Wooting One |
Software | Linux |
So it's as fast as GTX 970 and uses the same amount of power. And it's about the size of the ITX GeForce 970. So... what's newsworthy, that AMD has "only" taken a year to reach parity with nVIDIA?
System Name | HTC's System |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 5800X3D |
Motherboard | Asrock Taichi X370 |
Cooling | NH-C14, with the AM4 mounting kit |
Memory | G.Skill Kit 16GB DDR4 F4 - 3200 C16D - 16 GTZB |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Pulse 6600 8 GB |
Storage | 1 Samsung NVMe 960 EVO 250 GB + 1 3.5" Seagate IronWolf Pro 6TB 7200RPM 256MB SATA III |
Display(s) | LG 27UD58 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard |
Power Supply | Corsair TX 850M 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Razer Deathadder Elite |
Software | Ubuntu 20.04.6 LTS |
System Name | Zen |
---|---|
Processor | Ryzen 5950X |
Motherboard | MSI |
Cooling | Noctua |
Memory | G.Skill 32G |
Video Card(s) | RX 7900 XTX |
Storage | never enough |
Display(s) | not OLED :-( |
Keyboard | Wooting One |
Software | Linux |
I'm waiting for a version of nano with no PCIe connector. If it happens, it will probably be next year: we'll see ...
System Name | Diablo | Baal | Mephisto | Andariel |
---|---|
Processor | i5-3570K@4.4GHz | 2x Xeon X5675 | i7-4710MQ | i7-2640M |
Motherboard | Asus Sabertooth Z77 | HP DL380 G6 | Dell Precision M4800 | Lenovo Thinkpad X220 Tablet |
Cooling | Swiftech H220-X | Chassis cooled (6 fans + HS) | dual-fanned heatpipes | small-fanned heatpipe |
Memory | 32GiB DDR3-1600 CL9 | 96GiB DDR3-1333 ECC RDIMM | 32GiB DDR3L-1866 CL11 | 8GiB DDR3L-1600 CL11 |
Video Card(s) | Dual GTX 670 in SLI | Embedded ATi ES1000 | Quadro K2100M | Intel HD 3000 |
Storage | many, many SSDs and HDDs.... |
Display(s) | 1 Dell U3011 + 2x Dell U2410 | HP iLO2 KVMoIP | 3200x1800 Sharp IGZO | 1366x768 IPS with Wacom pen |
Case | Corsair Obsidian 550D | HP DL380 G6 Chassis | Dell Precision M4800 | Lenovo Thinkpad X220 Tablet |
Audio Device(s) | Auzentech X-Fi HomeTheater HD | None | On-board | On-board |
Power Supply | Corsair AX850 | Dual 750W Redundant PSU (Delta) | Dell 330W+240W (Flextronics) | Lenovo 65W (Delta) |
Mouse | Logitech G502, Logitech G700s, Logitech G500, Dell optical mouse (emergency backup) |
Keyboard | 1985 IBM Model F 122-key, Ducky YOTT MX Black, Dell AT101W, 1994 IBM Model M, various integrated |
Software | FAAAR too much to list |
Never gonna happen. If there's more budget, they make a bigger, similarly power-hungry core with more performance. For an example of what I mean, compare the 750Ti (no PCIe power, 75W max) to the 960 (one 6pin, 150W max), the 970 (2 6pin or 1 8pin, 225W max) and 980 (the 960 is basically a 980 chopped in 2, also 2 6pin or 1 8pin, 225W max) to see the performance tiers at various power brackets.I'm waiting for a version of nano with no PCIe connector. If it happens, it will probably be next year: we'll see ...
System Name | HTC's System |
---|---|
Processor | Ryzen 5 5800X3D |
Motherboard | Asrock Taichi X370 |
Cooling | NH-C14, with the AM4 mounting kit |
Memory | G.Skill Kit 16GB DDR4 F4 - 3200 C16D - 16 GTZB |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Pulse 6600 8 GB |
Storage | 1 Samsung NVMe 960 EVO 250 GB + 1 3.5" Seagate IronWolf Pro 6TB 7200RPM 256MB SATA III |
Display(s) | LG 27UD58 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard |
Power Supply | Corsair TX 850M 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Razer Deathadder Elite |
Software | Ubuntu 20.04.6 LTS |
Never gonna happen. If there's more budget, they make a bigger, similarly power-hungry core with more performance. For an example of what I mean, compare the 750Ti (no PCIe power, 75W max) to the 960 (one 6pin, 150W max), the 970 (2 6pin or 1 8pin, 225W max) and 980 (the 960 is basically a 980 chopped in 2, also 2 6pin or 1 8pin, 225W max) to see the performance tiers at various power brackets.
System Name | Diablo | Baal | Mephisto | Andariel |
---|---|
Processor | i5-3570K@4.4GHz | 2x Xeon X5675 | i7-4710MQ | i7-2640M |
Motherboard | Asus Sabertooth Z77 | HP DL380 G6 | Dell Precision M4800 | Lenovo Thinkpad X220 Tablet |
Cooling | Swiftech H220-X | Chassis cooled (6 fans + HS) | dual-fanned heatpipes | small-fanned heatpipe |
Memory | 32GiB DDR3-1600 CL9 | 96GiB DDR3-1333 ECC RDIMM | 32GiB DDR3L-1866 CL11 | 8GiB DDR3L-1600 CL11 |
Video Card(s) | Dual GTX 670 in SLI | Embedded ATi ES1000 | Quadro K2100M | Intel HD 3000 |
Storage | many, many SSDs and HDDs.... |
Display(s) | 1 Dell U3011 + 2x Dell U2410 | HP iLO2 KVMoIP | 3200x1800 Sharp IGZO | 1366x768 IPS with Wacom pen |
Case | Corsair Obsidian 550D | HP DL380 G6 Chassis | Dell Precision M4800 | Lenovo Thinkpad X220 Tablet |
Audio Device(s) | Auzentech X-Fi HomeTheater HD | None | On-board | On-board |
Power Supply | Corsair AX850 | Dual 750W Redundant PSU (Delta) | Dell 330W+240W (Flextronics) | Lenovo 65W (Delta) |
Mouse | Logitech G502, Logitech G700s, Logitech G500, Dell optical mouse (emergency backup) |
Keyboard | 1985 IBM Model F 122-key, Ducky YOTT MX Black, Dell AT101W, 1994 IBM Model M, various integrated |
Software | FAAAR too much to list |
Who say's i'm looking for performance?
I'm looking for a scaled down version of this with also scaled down levels of performance while maintaining the HBM memory type. Dunno if HBM can be with 2 GB of memory only: 4 would be nice but if it's only 2 it would still be OK for me.
System Name | HTC's System |
---|---|
Processor | Ryzen 5 5800X3D |
Motherboard | Asrock Taichi X370 |
Cooling | NH-C14, with the AM4 mounting kit |
Memory | G.Skill Kit 16GB DDR4 F4 - 3200 C16D - 16 GTZB |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Pulse 6600 8 GB |
Storage | 1 Samsung NVMe 960 EVO 250 GB + 1 3.5" Seagate IronWolf Pro 6TB 7200RPM 256MB SATA III |
Display(s) | LG 27UD58 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard |
Power Supply | Corsair TX 850M 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Razer Deathadder Elite |
Software | Ubuntu 20.04.6 LTS |
You don't need HBM to feed a lower power GPU, so no, you're not getting a scaled down card for a while. You'll see DDR4/GDDR5 still for low power cards because it's sufficient.
System Name | Diablo | Baal | Mephisto | Andariel |
---|---|
Processor | i5-3570K@4.4GHz | 2x Xeon X5675 | i7-4710MQ | i7-2640M |
Motherboard | Asus Sabertooth Z77 | HP DL380 G6 | Dell Precision M4800 | Lenovo Thinkpad X220 Tablet |
Cooling | Swiftech H220-X | Chassis cooled (6 fans + HS) | dual-fanned heatpipes | small-fanned heatpipe |
Memory | 32GiB DDR3-1600 CL9 | 96GiB DDR3-1333 ECC RDIMM | 32GiB DDR3L-1866 CL11 | 8GiB DDR3L-1600 CL11 |
Video Card(s) | Dual GTX 670 in SLI | Embedded ATi ES1000 | Quadro K2100M | Intel HD 3000 |
Storage | many, many SSDs and HDDs.... |
Display(s) | 1 Dell U3011 + 2x Dell U2410 | HP iLO2 KVMoIP | 3200x1800 Sharp IGZO | 1366x768 IPS with Wacom pen |
Case | Corsair Obsidian 550D | HP DL380 G6 Chassis | Dell Precision M4800 | Lenovo Thinkpad X220 Tablet |
Audio Device(s) | Auzentech X-Fi HomeTheater HD | None | On-board | On-board |
Power Supply | Corsair AX850 | Dual 750W Redundant PSU (Delta) | Dell 330W+240W (Flextronics) | Lenovo 65W (Delta) |
Mouse | Logitech G502, Logitech G700s, Logitech G500, Dell optical mouse (emergency backup) |
Keyboard | 1985 IBM Model F 122-key, Ducky YOTT MX Black, Dell AT101W, 1994 IBM Model M, various integrated |
Software | FAAAR too much to list |
But since the power savings come from HBM versions of these cards (nano and fury(X)), it stands to reason that a version of these with GDDR5 would be far more power hungry then a version with HBM.
It's also the HBM that makes it possible for the card to be this small: it may be even possible for a card with around the performance i'm looking for to be even smaller, i'm guessing.
System Name | HTC's System |
---|---|
Processor | Ryzen 5 5800X3D |
Motherboard | Asrock Taichi X370 |
Cooling | NH-C14, with the AM4 mounting kit |
Memory | G.Skill Kit 16GB DDR4 F4 - 3200 C16D - 16 GTZB |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Pulse 6600 8 GB |
Storage | 1 Samsung NVMe 960 EVO 250 GB + 1 3.5" Seagate IronWolf Pro 6TB 7200RPM 256MB SATA III |
Display(s) | LG 27UD58 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard |
Power Supply | Corsair TX 850M 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Razer Deathadder Elite |
Software | Ubuntu 20.04.6 LTS |
Yes and no.. A certain amount is the engineering time involved, as well as the price of the RAM itself - HBM is expensive relative to DDR. The result of the combination of these factors is why you won't see HBM in a 75W desktop card for a while.