Unigine Heaven 4.0 Benchmark Scores

[Ten Shin Han]

it is interesting (disappointing ?) to see that I have the same performance level as a Pentium Core Duo & GTX 680 as posted by Fouquin

However when I look at my sensors charts:

average 75% TDP, fan speed 60% maximum, I am convinced that my GM204 is under-clocked.

This is why I am looking forward to 'safely' push the max GPU core clock to 1Ghz instead of current 772 Mhz

just need a good tutorial on Maxwell II BIOS clock tables...

 

[Jetster]

Quadro is not made for gaming. Accuracy not speed

 

[Ten Shin Han]

reposting on request of FX-GMC
No OC
No SLI
Intel HD Graphic driver installed/detected but not used (yes, I did NOT disable it in the BIOS because when I will install vSphere Hypervisor, the HV will use the intel integrated graphics, while the Windows 10 VM will use the Quadro thanks to the PCI passthrough feature)
GPU Core Speed 772 MHz
RAM Speed 3 GHz

 

[Ten Shin Han]

Quadro is not made for gaming. Accuracy not speed

Accuracy is always good even for gaming
and given the price of a GT980 4GB RAM, and the 'fair' price I got for my M4000 8GB, I would rather write that a Quadro is not limited to Gaming only
Now, of course to get most value of this purchase I must undo the NVidia underclocking.
but it seems the good news is that it can be done with BIOS tweaking only.
any recommendation ?

 

[DarthBaggins]

I need to see if I can edge closer to 1600 on the 970, since it's under water (along with the mobo and CPU ) I know I can push 1554 in f@h but that's a different type of load

 

[PP Mguire]

Accuracy is always good even for gaming
and given the price of a GT980 4GB RAM, and the 'fair' price I got for my M4000 8GB, I would rather write that a Quadro is not limited to Gaming only
Now, of course to get most value of this purchase I must undo the NVidia underclocking.
but it seems the good news is that it can be done with BIOS tweaking only.
any recommendation ?

As an owner of a Quadro M4000 and M5000 I really hope you didn't pay more than 300 bucks for the M4000 because for gaming it's slower than a GTX 970, as the M5000 is slower than the GTX 980. Another thing to consider is that these cards run off a single 6pin and the VRMs aren't meant for clocking higher than stock clocks which is why the voltage is locked. They are meant to run cool and quiet for hours or days at a time crunching projects while sipping power, hence the lower clock speeds than the desktop counterparts.

 

[Ten Shin Han]

well, I paid a price 25% below average price in France, but you would probably find it was too expensive anyway
Hopefully, it will not be for gaming only , and for now I can live with gaming at 1920 x 1080p x 60 Hz full details enabled.
now I understand your cautions, but as I can see that 970 can run Boost@1GHz, then it is not a chipset limitation.

Are you absolutely positive that I will burn my VRM if I try to clock higher my M4000 ?

please advise.

 

[PP Mguire]

well, I paid a price 25% below average price in France, but you would probably find it was too expensive anyway
Hopefully, it will not be for gaming only , and for now I can live with gaming at 1920 x 1080p x 60 Hz full details enabled.
now I understand your cautions, but as I can see that 970 can run Boost@1GHz, then it is not a chipset limitation.

Are you absolutely positive that I will burn my VRM if I try to clock higher my M4000 ?

please advise.

If you have a use for the Quadro it makes sense, otherwise kind of a waste if my calculations and pricing are right.

I never said anything about burning your VRM, but since it has a single slot cooler it already runs warm. Chances are it'd be unstable worst case scenario. I haven't tried overclocking these cards because they fold so I don't know 100% but it just makes sense. Overclocking without a voltage bump might result in decent overclocks but I personally wouldn't mess with the bios of a Quadro card.

 

[Ferrum Master]

My 3960X @ 4.7GHz
980Ti 1472/2000

 

[Ten Shin Han]

well, this is the first PC I have built since a long time and I will use it to experiment with many thing, and I personally work for a CAD software editor. So I hope it makes sense. Otherwise it is not less stupid than buying a nice pair of shoes

Now, speaking of overclocking, I have just re-run the Heaven demo (100% GPU utilization), and I pay attention to the 'perfcap' of GPU Z, and it says it is 'GPU utilization'.

the again, the TDP usage never go above 75%, meaning that as the M4000 is rated 120 watt, it never go above 90 watt, and because PCI-E stuff are 12 volt, it means M4000 (again rated 120 Watt) should be able to swallow 10 amp, but never go above 7.5 amp, right ?

this is why I believe I have room for improvement. and yes, by default the FAN is 60% max, which is very quiet. I used NVidia Inspector to push it to 100% just to hear the difference, and I could see the temp goes below 30° celcius (GPU idling) after a while.

Now, Heaven does NOT stress the memory controller or the bus interface, maybe this would explain the missing watt.

But I am willing to learn, to experiment, and I am very cautious, I will go step by step.

But honestly, I believe Quadro cards are mostly based on the same design, and then software/bios adjustment are doing most of the final settings for making this or this product.

this is my intuition

 

[PP Mguire]

My 3960X @ 4.7GHz
980Ti 1472/2000

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Come at me bro I need to do single card. Glad to know I'm not the only one rocking this processor.

well, this is the first PC I have built since a long time and I will use it to experiment with many thing, and I personally work for a CAD software editor. So I hope it makes sense. Otherwise it is not less stupid than buying a nice pair of shoes

Now, speaking of overclocking, I have just re-run the Heaven demo (100% GPU utilization), and I pay attention to the 'perfcap' of GPU Z, and it says it is 'GPU utilization'.

the again, the TDP usage never go above 75%, meaning that as the M4000 is rated 120 watt, it never go above 90 watt, and because PCI-E stuff are 12 volt, it means M4000 (again rated 120 Watt) should be able to swallow 10 amp, but never go above 7.5 amp, right ?

this is why I believe I have room for improvement. and yes, by default the FAN is 60% max, which is very quiet. I used NVidia Inspector to push it to 100% just to hear the difference, and I could see the temp goes below 30° celcius (GPU idling) after a while.

Now, Heaven does NOT stress the memory controller or the bus interface, maybe this would explain the missing watt.

But I am willing to learn, to experiment, and I am very cautious, I will go step by step.

But honestly, I believe Quadro cards are mostly based on the same design, and then software/bios adjustment are doing most of the final settings for making this or this product.

this is my intuition

You have a max of 150W theoretically from the 6pin and slot combined and the chip is rated at 120W which barely gives you room to grow on. I don't doubt you could saturate it but just know the phases aren't built for exceeding limits, they're built for stability. If this was a consumer card I'd say fuck it go to town but I wouldn't want you to ruin a Quadro. Anybody have info on VRM on M4000?

 

[Ten Shin Han]

Hum... hum... OK, I see what you mean

I have just run the 3DMARK Fire Strike Ultra, it was very very slow, and it did generate some load (40 % +) on the memory controller, and now the watts reach 85% TDP (of 120 W)

so yes, realistically, there is barely room for improvements, unless the M4000's VRM can swallow 12 A, which will probably only give me few additional MHz.

Nothing to brag about amongst you .

well, I will give it a try, staying within the 120 W (+/- 5 %) just for fun.

at least I will learn something for the next time I buy a high end GPU

 

[PP Mguire]

i7 3960x @ 4.9GHz | 2x GTX Titan X 1468/1920

i7 3960x @ 4.9GHz | GTX Titan X 1472\1920

 

[Ten Shin Han]

Hey Mguire, nice score

but there is a new hope for me:

according to NVIDIA, http://www.nvidia.com/object/compare-quadro-gpus.html, the M5000 is rated 150 Watt with only 1 x 6 Pin PCI-E.

So basically, all I have to do is put my hand on a M5000 BIOS and study the différences with M4000.

Then when I'll try, I will cross finger than the same VRM are used on both cards, and hopefully because an M4000 as only 1664 Cuda cores enabled instead of 2048, it should use less watt.

What do you think ?

if you have a M5000, would you mind sharing your bios with me ?

 

[Ferrum Master]

in the meantime, I found this M5000 BIOS

Shaite don't spam the thread. Don't screw with your single slot card, it is simply not enough to do anything. Quit monkeying around, it will throttle to the floor. Last consumer single slot card was 750Ti 60W, yours is cherry picked and down clocked to fit in that envelope. Don't burn it. Sell it and get a proper card.

Meanwhile in colder Europe.

3960X @ 5GHz
980Ti 1506/2003

 

[Ten Shin Han]

hey

to be honest I am not sure I fully understand wording like "Shaite" or "Quit monkeying around, it will throttle to the floor".

But I got your point.

I will not bother you guys in this thread.

I just would like to remind that I have created this thread: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/quadro-m4000-1ghz-project.218752/ in case somebody would like to help me "monkeying around"

Thanks in advance and I wish you guys a good NYE

 

[GreiverBlade]

for some of the post who don't comply to the rules set in the initial post of the thread : must be a screen from in the benchmark, hint: F12 then user/document/heaven/screenshot(or something like that, it's been a while since i ran a Heaven on my rig) convert the TGA to a JPG and post it.
otherwise not validated, sorry.

altho it has already been mentioned countless time thru the thread, i know it's long to browse the whole thread to see those mention, but at last you should read the main post
Benchmark setup:

1.) 1920x1080, Fullscreen, 8x Anti-Aliasing
2.) Ultra Quality
3.) Extreme Tessellation
4.) No integrated GPU enabled, unless it's the only GPU in the build
5.) Tessellation correctly set up on AMD cards and not bypassed in CCC
6.) You must also provide correct GPU and CPU clocks
7.) Must Be a Screenshot from within Heaven to be valid (See bottom of post) Here's why.
8.) The only allowed "tweak" is overclocking. Absolutely no driver tweaks or operating system tweaks are permitted.

My Black Box
No OC (yet)
No SLI (please ignore the Intel HD Graphic)
Ultra setting in Full HD 1080p mode

if the HD graphics show then it's active, it does not show on mine unless active under Lucid Virtue (gimmicky boost ) or even to drive a second monitor

 

[Ten Shin Han]

Greiver Blade wrote

"if the HD graphics show then it's active, it does not show on mine unless active under Lucid Virtue (gimmicky boost ) or even to drive a second monitor" interesting.

I am using the latest Intel driver from their website, however I am sure it is not used, even Windows 10 doesn't show it in display settings, and other benchmark (like cinebench or 3DMark) or games seems to totally ignore the intel HD graphic, and it is my understating that windows 10 doesn't support yet cross - brand - multi - GPU

so what do you mean by "gimmicky boost" ?

please advise.

 

[Ten Shin Han]

just for information purpose and for sake of mutual understanding, no argument of any kind

hope this helps.

 

[GreiverBlade]

just try to not double post thanks!...

also gimmicky well Lucid Virtue technology didn't bring substantial upgrade so : a pure gimmick for me. (it was a meant to make the IGP help the GPU via a kind of hybrid crossfire/SLI )
and also the only time my IGP showed on a benchmark (obviously ... since i was testing Lucid Virtue, just to see if it was worth something ... bah ... nope totally not) or when i left it activated on BIOS

also if you do not use that IGP then disable it in the BIOS and it will not show up (as it does not show up on my 6600K ) if it show up : it's active and not according to the rules
the fact is "it's active" not "it's helping" that make that out of the rules
4.) No integrated GPU enabled, unless it's the only GPU in the build (enabled=active)

bench your HD530 instead of that M4000 (joking)
not arguing ofc ... just explaining the rules of that thread

 

[Ten Shin Han]

I understand
The reason the IGP is right now enabled even if superfluous, is because I wanted to make sure everything works fine with all options enabled in my BIOS (I built my system just last week) and in the future I will have an VM hypervisor using the IGP for its console text, while the Quadro will be dedicated to the Windows VM. But until that happens, I agree this is absolutely redundant and not compliant with your rules

Now I fully understand and endorse the rule of this thread, and considering the 'poor' performance of my so ridiculously expensive M4000, I will not complain if you keep it under the carpet

Now I going out to take some fresh air while the sky is still blue.

Wish you all an happy NYE, looking forward to talk with you next year

 

[PP Mguire]

Shaite don't spam the thread. Don't screw with your single slot card, it is simply not enough to do anything. Quit monkeying around, it will throttle to the floor. Last consumer single slot card was 750Ti 60W, yours is cherry picked and down clocked to fit in that envelope. Don't burn it. Sell it and get a proper card.

Meanwhile in colder Europe.

3960X @ 5GHz
980Ti 1506/2003

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You're a butt.

I can hit 5GHz but idk if I can bench at 5 due to only having an H100i with a messed up USB section so I can't turn my fans to max. Let's see.

 

[Ferrum Master]

You're a butt.

I can hit 5GHz but idk if I can bench at 5 due to only having an H100i with a messed up USB section so I can't turn my fans to max. Let's see.

Just opened my window... -12C outside currently

 

[TorqueDnB]

I wanted a bit more fps in some games so it turned up the voltage to 11!!
Now running my A10 on 4.4Ghz@1,488volt and my 290X is running on 1,2Ghz@1,32volt mem@1625 everything is watercooled except the mobo.
Pretty happy with this score going from 1479-->1601 with a lower overclock on the GPU.

 

[Ten Shin Han]

guys,

looking at your impressive scores, I was wondering if any of you knows what part of the demo can bring the perf to the lower FPS ? because isn't it strange to see such spread between max and min FPS ?

please advise.