NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB

[Vayra86]

TMSC has to amortize, the cost of the fabs. Thus, higher prices for Nvidia. (Unless Apple paid the full tab for them, so it gets first choice of fabs line output...)
(Assuming TMSC makes the GPU)

Bullshit. Look, they dragged out 28nm for over two years longer than planned. We're still paying the bill for being on an outdated process for two additional years, but never saw a price cut because 28nm was dragged out longer. Odd huh?

This isn't about expensive fabs, this is about maximizing profit. Let's not fool ourselves with silly arguments about cost - these are cut down chips as well, not fully working ones. In the same vein, Nvidia is content selling us an underperforming blower to cool that cut down chip, at ANOTHER price premium.

Yeah, this totally isn't a ripoff at its current MSRP. Because it's faster than past gen's 970 from two years ago. Logic is strong here.

FYI I don't care what they ask for it personally, but let's call things for what they really are please. LegacyZa is absolutely right in saying a 50 dollar markup is a ripoff, because really, it is. 10-20 bucks? Sure. 50? Can't explain that. It's nearly 20% up.

If they keep this up, soon they'll be marketing GP206 as 'high end' because it has a 450 dollar price tag.

 

[bug]

LegacyZa is absolutely right in saying a 50 dollar markup is a ripoff, because really, it is. 10-20 bucks? Sure. 50? Can't explain that. It's nearly 20% up.

Well, 10 bucks would probably only cover the inflation since last year...
Also, why is it so hard to understand that the price of goods is not based on BoM? It's based on supply and demand. It's so simple, I don't know how to explain this further.

Edit: Also, people tend to forget that while the GTX 970 launched at $330, the GTX 770 before it launched at $400. And so did the GTX 670.

 

[Vayra86]

Well, 10 bucks would probably only cover the inflation since last year...
Also, why is it so hard to understand that the price of goods is not based on BoM? It's based on supply and demand. It's so simple, I don't know how to explain this further.

Edit: Also, people tend to forget that while the GTX 970 launched at $330, the GTX 770 before it launched at $400. And so did the GTX 670.

The value of goods is based on supply and demand, but when there is a near-monopoly at a certain performance level, the whole basis for healthy competition is blown away - enter ripoff pricing.

The more you know about a market, the easier it is to spot these things. You and I both know how this market works, but you are actually denying it in a sense. If AMD had a competitive product at this time, the world would look different. Also, the GTX 770 came down in price extremely quickly, like days after launch, and even under the MSRP of the 970. (And all because AMD could put something up against it)

 

[thebluebumblebee]

During gaming, the card goes above 82°C, which results in lower clocks

I think Nvidia dropped a letter from the model number. I think it should be GTX 1070(or 1080) FE'M
Also, for the extra $100 for the FE cooler, I can only think of one thing:

 

[qubit]

This card is gonna fly off the shelves.

 

[cokker]

Here in the UK the 970 launched at £250~, depending where you shop the 1070 is £370 to £400.

£250 is my comfortable amount.

 

[Casecutter]

Finally some fairly usable 1440p Fps for below $500, though not really worthy in 4K.

If I could purchase a 27" 1440p panel w/Adaptive Sync, and a card that gets in this realm of FpS for <$500 we'd see a huge migration from 1080p.

 

[W1zzard]

Why is the 1070 beating the GTX 1080 here and also at 1920x1080?

Fallout 4 results fixed

 

[Danielino]

"Without the right tool, these are incredibly difficult to remove."
Which is the right tool?

 

[mrthanhnguyen]

still slower than gtx 970 sli, but less power consumption, more vram. I don't know why AMD fanboy dream about the RX480 will be better than this 1070 with a lower price.

 

[Casecutter]

the RX480 will be better than this 1070 with a lower price

Not sure who's believing it will be better, though if in this realm... of 1440p for $200 it will make a statement.

 

[W1zzard]

"Without the right tool, these are incredibly difficult to remove."
Which is the right tool?

https://www.wiha.com/en/produkte/screwdrivers/picofinish-hex-nut-driver.html
Wiha PicoFinish 265P, size 4 Hex

 

[birdie]

It can only be called progress when it was done at the previous generations price points. The move from 28nm to 16nm also reduced manufacturing costs for nVidia. A lot of people like to blame R&D for the new prices, but what do they think the previous generations GFX R&D cost? Gummybears and pink sweeties? The real fact is; in the past R&D would have cost even more...

Translation: Rippoff

What makes you think 16nm wafers from TSMC cost significantly less than 28nm wafers? Don't you think for a second that maybe TSMC has to pay for their R&D which I heard was crazily expensive? Don't you think that maybe NVIDIA didn't just use their Maxwell blueprints and re-released it using a smaller node?

Wow, three likes for such a BS comment.

 

[cadaveca]

https://www.wiha.com/en/produkte/screwdrivers/picofinish-hex-nut-driver.html
Wiha PicoFinish 265P, size 4 Hex

Every type of PC screw/nut, any board :

(Mastercraft 66 piece Precision Electronics Screwdriver Set (#57-3624-4))

 

[W1zzard]

Every type of PC screw/nut, any board :

Mine's bigger than yours, but still not enough. None of these will fit the NVIDIA screws.

Even if one of your bottom row center ones would fit, their wall would be pretty thick, getting very close to components around the screws

 

[Casecutter]

The article W1zzard said, "For the GPU, a vapo-chamber baseplate is used to soak up the heat quickly".

Yeah, i think thats the case. Nvidia official site does not mention vapor chamber for the 1070, but does so for the 1080.

Is there a clarification on this actually being the same "Vapor-Chamber" cooler used on the 1080? The W1zzarrd pic of the 1080 is different.

 

[Danielino]

Thanks

 

[mroofie]

Bullshit. Look, they dragged out 28nm for over two years longer than planned. We're still paying the bill for being on an outdated process for two additional years, but never saw a price cut because 28nm was dragged out longer. Odd huh?

This isn't about expensive fabs, this is about maximizing profit. Let's not fool ourselves with silly arguments about cost - these are cut down chips as well, not fully working ones. In the same vein, Nvidia is content selling us an underperforming blower to cool that cut down chip, at ANOTHER price premium.

Yeah, this totally isn't a ripoff at its current MSRP. Because it's faster than past gen's 970 from two years ago. Logic is strong here.

FYI I don't care what they ask for it personally, but let's call things for what they really are please. LegacyZa is absolutely right in saying a 50 dollar markup is a ripoff, because really, it is. 10-20 bucks? Sure. 50? Can't explain that. It's nearly 20% up.

If they keep this up, soon they'll be marketing GP206 as 'high end' because it has a 450 dollar price tag.

Its almost double the performance of the gtx 970

double the memory

28 to 16nm

Keep hating

 

[W1zzard]

Is there a clarification on this actually being the same "Vapor-Chamber" cooler used on the 1080?

I'm looking into this right now, also Fallout at lower res

 

[GreiverBlade]

not bad ... tho it will be overpriced as usual ... 699$1080FE translate in 849chf (881.73$) for me and 599$ custom ( ) tranlate into 899chf baseprice (933.66$)

can't wait to see the upcomming Polaris and Vega ... my 980 still hold it high enough (or my GTX860m also )

postrscriptum ... 1070 price for me : FE= 559chf (580.55$) and unannounced customs model prices, for now...

thanks but no thanks... bleh

 

[cadaveca]

Even if one of your bottom row center ones would fit, their wall would be pretty thick, getting very close to components around the screws

Good point. NVidia has a bad habit of using "non-standard" screws on VGAs, damn Torx screws and motherboard M.2s had me buy my kit.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Good point. NVidia has a bad habit of using "non-standard" screws on VGAs, damn Torx screws and motherboard M.2s had me buy my kit.

me it's working on some MacBook Pro ... that made me buy a kit ... i perfectly understand you ...

 

[Frick]

If it lands on the same price as the GTX970, this is definitely a win.

 

[GreiverBlade]

If it lands on the same price as the GTX970, this is definitely a win.

nice dreaming ... seriously ... you see the actual prices in different etailer? in Switzerland 1080 and 1070 are total ripoff, probably later when price will settle down (or up ... at some of my etailer/retailer, some component prices did go up instead of down with the time passing ... )


dunno where did nvidia got their MSRP of 599/699$ ... even with a 1:1 usd:chf conversion they are far from it ...

(i know it's a MSRP but still, if it was a +/-10% variation, that would be understandable but that .... nope)

last but not least, in the case of a 1080 i would not buy a card that beat a Titan X and is under the upcomming TitanP for the price of a Titan X (altho the 980Ti was already at the price of a Titan X's MSRP where i am ... ) even a 295x2 is more tempting now (personal opinion ofc )

 

[Frick]

nice dreaming ... seriously ... you see the actual prices in different etailer? in Switzerland 1080 and 1070 are total ripoff, probably later when price will settle down (or up ... at some of my etailer/retailer, some component prices did go up instead of down with the time passing ... )


dunno where did nvidia got their MSRP of 599/699$ ... even with a 1:1 usd:chf conversion they are far from it ...

Yeeeaaah they're listed now, for the same launch price as the 980, >€500. ;_; I can't really see a €200 price drop in the future, to match the 970.

EDIT: Right, forgot about thw FE thing. So far the 1080 non-FEs are not thag much cheaper than FE TBH. We'll see what happens with this, but I will assume they will not be cheap enough.