OFFICIAL Armored Warfare (Discussion)

[tabascosauz]

Ramka-99 @ 47%. I've really been putting in a lot of work. NO rush though, I still love it more than ever. It seems AI have gotten smart enough to go for partial damage by hitting my turret instead, but it only happens sometimes.

I'm sure y'all remember the Tankograd blog from before that has a wealth of info about Eastern armor. In addition to the previously addressed articles on the BMP-3, T-72 and T-80, there are a few more:

T-62: https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/t-62.html?m=1 (nickname for it is "Black Sheep" and apparently "Glass Cannon" as well)

BTR-152: https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/21st-century-asian-arms-race-guest.html For those who have not heard of the BTR-152, it is an APC but essentially a conventional truck rather than the iconic bronetransportyor hull that came with the BTR-60. This one is a guest-written article, so the use of language is not quite as elegant as it usually is with Tiles Murphy but it's a comprehensive read nonetheless.

T-10(M): https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/t-10-invader.html A rather unexpected article, but it's indeed very interesting to see how the Iosif Stalin series of tanks came to an end at the hands of the T-55 and T-62. Although I don't play War Thunder, I've been watching a lot of vids and the T-10M was definitely one of the tanks that caught my eye from the very beginning (nickname for it is "invader", extremely fitting for a tank of its role).

And here's a special one for @GreiverBlade, the one and only BMD-2 for the one and only VDV of Russia:

BMD-2: https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/bmd-2-metal-storm.html


Some very nice tag-team work today, first with a Warrior at my side and then another Ramka. All of a sudden, PvE players seem to know their stuff after being mentally handicapped for 5 months.


It's the you-bait-then-I'll-stuff-30mm-APDS-up-his-ass-then-switch kind of thing that really confuses Chally 2s


Also, it's that time of year again. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 320K in a single match resulting in about 230K net income is not bad

 

[GreiverBlade]

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i love those post from you pal!


ooohhh me like even more ... BMD-2 METAL STORM! ... in'fckin'deed a freakin' storm of metal, 30mm metal, that is ...

 

[tabascosauz]

i love those post from you pal!

ooohhh me like even more ... BMD-2 METAL STORM! ... in'fckin'deed a freakin' storm of metal, 30mm metal, that is ...

You know I try to keep it short...oh wait, I'm basically incapable of doing so

The BMD-2 article was written after the BMP-3 one, I believe. The intriguing thing is that in the BMP-3 article, the author basically brands the 2A72 as useless, while the largely similar in performance/ammunition 2A42 on the BMD-2 was lauded by him as being lethal and even effective with 3UBR8 against M2A2 Bradley, while the 2A72 was supposedly to struggle against upgraded Bradley... so basically, BMD-2 = 30mm metal storm

We oughtta try and plan some stuff in the TPU batt; it's summer after all and it's been a real long time since we all played a platoon together.

 

[GreiverBlade]

why not ... if i don't rubberband too much (well i am in spain till the 16th june) altho ... my actual tank play is more "mobile" ...

in the form of the recently (not so) launched PanzerWaltz (MetalWaltz in china) a kind of Kancolle but with tanks ...
well my WoWs ships are Kancollified and in WoT i had some Girl und Panzer skin ... soorryyy i am like that (i did fell in when i was little ...)

funny enough they retain some historical accuracy and a lot of parameter enter in the equation for shots (not only RNG) i.e.: angle, ERA, armor, evasion, targeting, range, APDS Composite Rigide, HE, HE-Frag, HEAT, (rocket in the case of the M8 Katyusha and T-60/BM-8-24) etc etc etc :

in order: Panther(prototype), JagdPanzer IV Alkett, JagdTiger 88mm, Steurer Emile, Tiger (early Henschel model)


and just for you... BTR-50 and BTR-141

 

[tabascosauz]

why not ... if i don't rubberband too much (well i am in spain till the 16th june) altho ... my actual tank play is more "mobile" ...

in the form of the recently (not so) launched PanzerWaltz (MetalWaltz in china) a kind of Kancolle but with tanks ...
well my WoWs ships are Kancollified and in WoT i had some Girl und Panzer skin ... soorryyy i am like that (i did fell in when i was little ...)

LMAO this Kancolle and PanzerWaltz I have never seen before - i watched one video and when there was that "skirt armor" unlock at the end of one match I lost it that's absolutely hilarious

Although I don't really understand these games, I can definitely see the real-world inspiration. That Panther gal looks all no-nonsense.

I reckon your ping from Spain shouldn't be all that bad; once it gets above 200 ping however like it does for me back home, autocannon vehicles are unplayable.

 

[GreiverBlade]

LMAO this Kancolle and PanzerWaltz I have never seen before - i watched one video and when there was that "skirt armor" unlock at the end of one match I lost it that's absolutely hilarious

Although I don't really understand these games, I can definitely see the real-world inspiration. That Panther gal looks all no-nonsense.

I reckon your ping from Spain shouldn't be all that bad; once it gets above 200 ping however like it does for me back home, autocannon vehicles are unplayable.

i love PW ... it's fun and hilarious ... lot's of "history jokes" even if it's in a "alternate reality" the country in question are Freedonia (USA) Gallia (France) Rossyia (Russia) Britania (obviouuuussss! or ... UK ) and Bavaria (Germa... wait ... they reduced Germany to Bavaria? oh well as long as they have beer and schöne Fräulein to serve them .... i don't mind)

also ...

KönigsTiger! (and Black Prince...) then


or a TOG 2 ... maybe?


Crusader tanks ... actually looks like Crusader ... funny cross references ...


oh yes i almost forgot ... actually commander of the Backwater mercenary group (BWMG which is the 2nd part of the story in story mode) in PW is nammed Rommel ... and the main Panzer unit, Desert Fox ... all Panzer IV have a little desert fox as mascott on them and the PzL, which is a Panzer IV Ausf. G is nammed Nelly Rommel ... quite ... awkward choice (not that i have any issue with it but i could see some weird repercussion from it ...


annnd that conclude my "almost but not totally" out of topic delirium.


on the sidenote ... 78ms is not unplayable but i wonder from where come the rubberbanding effect ... i have the same phenomenon in Overwatch (but with 150ms ping) i tend to adapt my aim to the latency and sometime i score a kill when no one is in my crosshair (in Overwatch)

 

[tabascosauz]

Anyone up for it tonight?

 

[GreiverBlade]

Anyone up for it tonight?

i see if i can do something ... my parents just went to bed ... will not do too long

 

[Michalrutek]

Anyone up for it tonight?

Gonna try joining you today!

 

[tabascosauz]

2a6 move over, you are side bae now

will be testing this bad boy today


new bae is more badass than old bae but new bae is slow and new bae can't bounce shit

 

[tabascosauz]

As much as I hate the weak lower glacis and lack of effective ERA on the hull sides, the BMPT-72 handles like a champ. It retains the Ramka's superior spotting capabilities and the 201mm pen on the autocannons gives the BMPT platform some much needed oomph. A clip of 40 30mms can regularly break 2000-2100 damage, which is about the same DPM as (if not better than) the missiles, which too often are negated by APS.



Prior to now, I had only broken the 30,000 barrier two or three times with the M1A1, but in just the past two days I've gotten another three games surpassing that mark and many hovering around 30K with about two dozen spots. Unfortunately I forgot to screenshot each one except for this one.

 

[tabascosauz]

Sneak peek of update 0.16 from a pretty reputable and skilled English-speaking Youtuber:

Don't really give a shit about a 105mm Chinese TD so obviously the T-15 is the star of the show here. Dunno how I feel about this tank; the autocannon is a bit anemic (90-100 average AP damage @ roughly BMP-3M fire rate) vs BMPT-72 (60-70 average AP damage at higher fire rate) and even comapred to the Sphinx. HP pool seems too low as well, needs to be higher. Turret is shorter than BMPT/Ramka-99/BMPT-72 and still well angled but also stockier and just as squishy. Hull is basically a wall. Gun depression is going to be a complete regression from the excellent BMPT-72, and back to the ridiculously bad Ramka-99 depression.

Looks like we get these "loot drops" in 0.16 as well so I can't wait to see that. But before they give us our ZTZ-99A2 and Oplot-M, all this other stuff like this premium new Tier 8 TD is worthless. Can't hold a candle to the Cent. 120's alpha damage, even though it shares the same disadvantage (horrible depression because of rear turret). Gun stats are similar to the M1128, except this guy is butt ugly unlike the MGS. Horrible armor of the MGS without even the MGS' cage and applique. Actual vehicle is stupendously tall (turret is laughably big too), no angles whatsoever, and seems to be a massive waste of gold. 300 extra HP is not going to help it in any way except maybe fight off other MGS (a.k.a. useless). Also has an utterly useless 12.7mm HMG in AA mount on top of the turret...for what?? Coax is not in AW yet.

I've packed up the desktop already because i'm flying back on Wednesday, but once I get back I should be able to get back to playing my Warrior + BMPT-72 + 2A6 full time. Hopefully I'll see you guys in game more after 15th, if ping allows it.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Sneak peek of update 0.16 from a pretty reputable and skilled English-speaking Youtuber:

Don't really give a shit about a 105mm Chinese TD so obviously the T-15 is the star of the show here. Dunno how I feel about this tank; the autocannon is a bit anemic (90-100 average AP damage @ roughly BMP-3M fire rate) vs BMPT-72 (60-70 average AP damage at higher fire rate) and even comapred to the Sphinx. HP pool seems too low as well, needs to be higher. Turret is shorter than BMPT/Ramka-99/BMPT-72 and still well angled but also stockier and just as squishy. Hull is basically a wall. Gun depression is going to be a complete regression from the excellent BMPT-72, and back to the ridiculously bad Ramka-99 depression.

Looks like we get these "loot drops" in 0.16 as well so I can't wait to see that. But before they give us our ZTZ-99A2 and Oplot-M, all this other stuff like this premium new Tier 8 TD is worthless. Can't hold a candle to the Cent. 120's alpha damage, even though it shares the same disadvantage (horrible depression because of rear turret). Gun stats are similar to the M1128, except this guy is butt ugly unlike the MGS. Horrible armor of the MGS without even the MGS' cage and applique. Actual vehicle is stupendously tall (turret is laughably big too), no angles whatsoever, and seems to be a massive waste of gold. 300 extra HP is not going to help it in any way except maybe fight off other MGS (a.k.a. useless). Also has an utterly useless 12.7mm HMG in AA mount on top of the turret...for what?? Coax is not in AW yet.

I've packed up the desktop already because i'm flying back on Wednesday, but once I get back I should be able to get back to playing my Warrior + BMPT-72 + 2A6 full time. Hopefully I'll see you guys in game more after 15th, if ping allows it.

i prefer the PTL than the T-15 ...

goodie good things to come, nonetheless

GRZXMLFBLBLBLPTZ ... that reviewer use the red Lion Coat of arm that i use too
also ... ok ... i will definitely prefer the T-15 over the T-14

 

[Flogger23m]

Don't have time to re-read the entire patch notes, but will the daily challenges still be in the game alongside the loot system?

Would be nice if they added this as a tier 8 in the BMP line:

 

[tabascosauz]

Don't have time to re-read the entire patch notes, but will the daily challenges still be in the game alongside the loot system?

Would be nice if they added this as a tier 8 in the BMP line:

The Bumerang-BM armed Kurganets-25 could be a nice fast vehicle, but methinks that it is way too out of line with the rest of the BMP family despite its real life purpose of replacing BMPs/BMDs en masse. The turret basically intrudes on BMPT territory, and the vehicle itself is way too well-armored for the BMP family (it is constructed from aluminum with ceramic applique and weighs just 2 tonnes less than the Bradley but 6-7 tonnes more than the BMP-3). And given that the upgraded Bradleys are proof against 30mm 3UBR6, this guy can't be far behind. No 100mm 2A70 either, and the late BMPs are all about DPM.

It could be a premium, but even then I don't see the role that this vehicle would play. I'd probably buy it though, if it was a premium.

 

[Michalrutek]

so guys, I found something interesting when I was wondering on the internet.
I found the Chieftain mk6 on sale for only 1 dollar (minimal payment with other games)
Edit: also 2500 gold and 30 days of premium time
https://www.humblebundle.com/e3-digital-ticket

Have fun

 

[Flogger23m]

The Bumerang-BM armed Kurganets-25 could be a nice fast vehicle, but methinks that it is way too out of line with the rest of the BMP family despite its real life purpose of replacing BMPs/BMDs en masse. The turret basically intrudes on BMPT territory, and the vehicle itself is way too well-armored for the BMP family (it is constructed from aluminum with ceramic applique and weighs just 2 tonnes less than the Bradley but 6-7 tonnes more than the BMP-3). And given that the upgraded Bradleys are proof against 30mm 3UBR6, this guy can't be far behind. No 100mm 2A70 either, and the late BMPs are all about DPM.

It could be a premium, but even then I don't see the role that this vehicle would play. I'd probably buy it though, if it was a premium.

You bring up valid points, but the BMD line has similar weaponry and jumps to entirely different vehicles. Warrior or Ramka at tier 8, and I think this would be fairly comparable to the Ramka. Gameplay style would change from the BMP-3, but it would be nice to have a tier 8 option in the line.

 

[tabascosauz]

You bring up valid points, but the BMD line has similar weaponry and jumps to entirely different vehicles. Warrior or Ramka at tier 8, and I think this would be fairly comparable to the Ramka. Gameplay style would change from the BMP-3, but it would be nice to have a tier 8 option in the line.

That's because the BMD line is fundamentally different as there's no unifying theme. It's a smattering of all different types of misfit vehicles that don't fit into any other category. In the BMD line, the AMX-10P, Bradley, Warrior and Ramka clearly don't belong but they make up half of the entire tree, so it could be said that "small + hard-to-see" is not the theme of that line (after all, they're just "Fire Support Vehicles" while the BMP line is literally "BMP Development") because of those four vehicles' presence.

All the BMDs may have similar weaponry to their direct BMP counterparts, but they hit like wimps compared to the BMPs, even pre-BMP buff. The BMD vehicles have better spotting capabilities than BMPs, which is where they shine, not their weapons.

We'll have to see how the T-15 turns out, because if it doesn't buffed considerably, there is no place for a Kurganets. As it is right now, the Epoch system deals roughly 90-100 damage per 30mm round at Tier 10; the BMP-3M already does that kind of damage, with 35% more ammunition per belt, at Tier 7. The Kurganets has the exact same weapons system and undoubtedly would have to be weaker than the T-15 due to it being two tiers lower, making it more of a side-grade to the BMP-3M than anything.

Aside from historical accuracy as there has been no successor to the BMP-3M up until the introduction of the Kurganets, I think the devs made the right choice in not continuing the BMP line past Tier 7. On paper, 92 dmg/163mm doesn't look like a lot, but when one actually plays the 3M, it becomes apparent that it's a lot more powerful than it looks. In continuing past Tier 7, alpha damage undoubtedly would have crossed the 100 mark with penetration inching dangerously close to 200mm - in other words, Warrior territory with ATGMs. As a premium vehicle, the Kurganets would not have to necessarily fit into any existing tree/role, which would be a good thing, but as I said they must figure out how to balance the T-15 first before considering the Kurganets or another Epoch-armed vehicle like the Bumerang.

 

[X800]

https://aw.my.com/gb/news/general/e3-digital-ticket-here this is a good deal

 

[Flogger23m]

I wouldn't worry too much about it. You can always rename the line to something else and you can find a way to balance it between the other tier 8s while being weaker than the T-15, which has a lot more armor in the real world to. There is plenty artificial balancing throughout the game. The T-72/80/90 in the real world are massive turds, save for some counter measures on a few of the T-90s which is not represented in game anyways. Like most Soviet era weaponry they were fairly inferior to their Western counterparts. Yet in game they're competitive with far superior designs. I don't really see why you can't fit a Kurganet in there, even if the gameplay style is different. Just adapt to a new play style or ignore it. I for one would like to see it in, because I'd like a tier 8 for that line. Plus the vehicle looks fairly nice.

And does anyone know where to find the "Player Profile portal" mentioned here?

Objective Counters will be available during the event in the Player Profile portal section

https://aw.my.com/us/news/general/introducing-summer-heat

Having a hard time getting a PvP game to. Almost 30 minutes of waiting and I only got two games.

 

[burebista]

And does anyone know where to find the "Player Profile portal" mentioned here?

https://aw.my.com/gb/user

 

[GreiverBlade]

so guys, I found something interesting when I was wondering on the internet.
I found the Chieftain mk6 on sale for only 1 dollar (minimal payment with other games)
Edit: also 2500 gold and 30 days of premium time
https://www.humblebundle.com/e3-digital-ticket

Have fun

BEST 4$ SPENT EVER, i know i could have gone 1$ and get the best 1$ spent ever .... but 4$ was what was left on my Mastercard Paypass (reload type)

i did a lot of "giveaway entry" for that one ... none to avail and then ...

HELLOOOOOO BEAUTY!


now i don't need to buy a Chief Mk.5 and battle harden it ... and YES! i dig more the camo net than the Stillbrew appliqué ... even if it's flimsy without ... that's more a "collector" tank than a regular drive for me .... altho i will assuredly play it ... a lot

p.s. i am back at home boys! (reverse tabasco situation, thought )

 

[Michalrutek]

BEST 4$ SPENT EVER, i know i could have gone 1$ and get the best 1$ spent ever .... but 4$ was what was left on my Mastercard Paypass (reload type)

i did a lot of "giveaway entry" for that one ... none to avail and then ...

HELLOOOOOO BEAUTY!
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now i don't need to buy a Chief Mk.5 and battle harden it ... and YES! i dig more the camo net than the Stillbrew appliqué ... even if it's flimsy without ... that's more a "collector" tank than a regular drive for me .... altho i will assuredly play it ... a lot

p.s. i am back at home boys! (reverse tabasco situation, thought )

I will be getting mine soon too! (waiting to see what the other deals will be)
and I won't be able to play for some time... For some stupid reason the education system thinks it is a good idea to send students to the other side of the country just to write ONE EXAM so yeah, I hope to see you all online when i return... (I live in greece and everything is terribly organised, and to add salt to injury I have to pay myself for the traveling tickets and hotels... Rip 180 euros)

 

[GreiverBlade]

i have to laugh for my 1st Mk.6 mission ahah,


i should have taken my Taifun xD

that's a good wiesel 1 ... daddy is proud... all arty all secondaries


awwww yeah! that PL-01 will feel less flimsy than usual now ... weeeee

 

[Flogger23m]

How does the Merkava IIB stack up? Wondering if I should save up gold for it. I hardly see it in PvP so my experience is limited to viewing the stats and playing against it in PvE. Worth getting , or should I go for the Stryker ATGM instead?