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Well i must shop at the wrong place. The search begins.
 

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Nope. Perhaps the issue at large is our politicians. We should probably solve that problem before we breach one like the EU. I'm not qualified to make an educated decision about the EU, and I would dare say most of the UK wasn't either.
I think you have a very valid point, apparently more than half of the 3 million asking for a 2nd go are voters that voted for Leave, I find that very sad, research already shows that many under 25's voted to leave, they are considered ill informed or protest votes, I don't necessarily agree with that claim just as I don't agree that the majority of 50 plus citizens voted to leave, in my office there are 13 50+ staff, one voted to leave, there are also 16 under 25's, 5 voted for remain, the rest to leave.

Whilst that is just a tiny snapshot it does question perceived trends in age demographics that facebook poison seems to be spouting at the moment, the thing is for me, if all of us generally agree that politicians cannot always be trusted to do the "right" thing, knowing that many have their own agenda's as we saw from the 2 different campaigns, how can we trust them to have a commons vote and get it right (whatever right actually means.... set diary date for 3 years time to further discuss). Of course many that voted to remain would prefer going down that route, probably because they know that it would have resulted in around a 65/35 split in favour of remain..... all I would suggest in a general sense is to not so freely give up on the right of the people to determine their own futures...... good or bad (refer back to diary for that 3 year review meeting :))
 

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There is a position that is ignored by many and those that recognise often are drowned out.

I (as mentioned) voted for Scottish Indy. I also stated to my friends, I would happily vote for a Scottish Conservative Government in an independent Scotland (if their policies were palatable).

This is the same. People are associating the leave vote with outright isolationism and racist tendencies. This is the populist backlash that social media and the news outlets like to talk about. We've lost our way in determining our sensibilities because the vast majority rely on fast access to 'simplified' news. That means Facebook is used as a factual source and the BBC reports on what is 'newsworthy'. It's a disgrace that the leave vote isn't discussed as a rejection of rule from Brussels in an alarmingly encroaching centralised power grab. Instead it is easier to make it black and white (almost literally).

I am hugely offended (as I was in the Indy vote) that the legitimate right to vote and used reason is trampled upon by those that voted differently. It's a vile poison of democracy that those that lose a vote can then turn it around as some form of stigma. Idiots will always be idiots and those reports about racist abuse now surfacing were always there. It could well be argued that these idiots with a reversed vote would resort to even more bitter attacks as they see their own immoral ideals voted over.

But this was not about race. It was about political power and autonomy. The Grexit debate destabilised Europe and has left that country crippled. Spain is now recovering but that happens when your austerity measures are kept in place for years. Even in the UK, our austerity is seen as improving our economy but that is an easily eviscerated view.

People also freely use the term 'racist' quite freely but it is absolutely a product of social evolution that we distrust those from other groups. Having the opportunity to study Archaeology, Philosophy and Anthropology at Uni it is patently clear that society develops better and faster with shared goals. It is NOT racist to get annoyed at an influx of any alien culture, be it white eurpoean or darker skinned ethnic groups. We live in social groups and we thrive in similar social groups. If you voted leave to retain some identity of a British culture (which has always been varied regardless - Welsh, Scots, English and Irish - and all their own subgroups) then that is a fair reason.

People need to realise this goes back only 40 years. That's nothing in history. We aided our allies in WW1 and WW2, before the EU existed. In the EU we broke their rules and bombed Iraq. We had no mandate, we did it anyway. The EU is NOT a great future. It will be painful to rip away from it but that pain is more like ripping out a sharp, deep splinter. And we must not confuse the EU with Europe. The EU is a powerful political club, ruled by Brussels and supported by the billions of pounds it demands from it's member states. Europe is a continent of very diverse peoples and culture. Europe is a natural evolution of social cohesion and friction, the EU is a very unnatural construct of trade and wealth.

We voted to leave a politically elite, politically ambitious organisation that is run and ruled by some very anti-British minds (whether we were in or out). The Brussels elite is not the UK's friend and never was - they admitted that recently (I believe the quote was, "it wasn't much of a love affair"). It was often seen as a great aim to erode the UK's influence in Europe and it was happening year by year. Look at Camerons failed efforts to renegotiate. Most of what was achieved has been pulled apart as fluff and of no consequence. Brussels kicked his ass and he came back with all he could - scraps. That's the EU people are so upset to be leaving?

We are Europeans. We were always a great part of Europe, in conflict and in alliance. Our institutions are grounded in continental monarchies and progressive European philosophical thinking. To think there is a Britain that is not European is fallacy and to think we need the EU to be European is idiotic nonsense.

We are stronger in Europe and we ARE in Europe. We are simply freer outside the EU. The only people that really don't like it are the vested interests of large companies and wealthy elites. Give me higher taxes and give me freedom.
 
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There is a position that is ignored by many and those that recognise often are drowned out.

I (as mentioned) voted for Scottish Indy. I also stated to my friends, I would happily vote for a Scottish Conservative Government in an independent Scotland (if their policies were palatable).

This is the same. People are associating the leave vote with outright isolationism and racist tendencies. This is the populist backlash that social media and the news outlets like to talk about. We've lost our way in determining our sensibilities because the vast majority rely on fast access to 'simplified' news. That means Facebook is used as a factual source and the BBC reports on what is 'newsworthy'. It's a disgrace that the leave vote isn't discussed as a rejection of rule from Brussels in an alarmingly encroaching centralised power grab. Instead it is easier to make it black and white (almost literally).

I am hugely offended (as I was in the Indy vote) that the legitimate right to vote and used reason is trampled upon by those that voted differently. It's a vile poison of democracy that those that lose a vote can then turn it around as some form of stigma. Idiots will always be idiots and those reports about racist abuse now surfacing were always there. It could well be argued that these idiots with a reversed vote would resort to even more bitter attacks as they see their own immoral ideals voted over.

But this was not about race. It was about political power and autonomy. The Grexit debate destabilised Europe and has left that country crippled. Spain is now recovering but that happens when your austerity measures are kept in place for years. Even in the UK, our austerity is seen as improving our economy but that is an easily eviscerated view.

People also freely use the term 'racist' quite freely but it is absolutely a product of social evolution that we distrust those from other groups. Having the opportunity to study Archaeology, Philosophy and Anthropology at Uni it is patently clear that society develops better and faster with shared goals. It is NOT racist to get annoyed at an influx of any alien culture, be it white eurpoean or darker skinned ethnic groups. We live in social groups and we thrive in similar social groups. If you voted leave to retain some identity of a British culture (which has always been varied regardless - Welsh, Scots, English and Irish - and all their own subgroups) then that is a fair reason.

People need to realise this goes back only 40 years. That's nothing in history. We aided our allies in WW1 and WW2, before the EU existed. In the EU we broke their rules and bombed Iraq. We had no mandate, we did it anyway. The EU is NOT a great future. It will be painful to rip away from it but that pain is more like ripping out a sharp, deep splinter. And we must not confuse the EU with Europe. The EU is a powerful political club, ruled by Brussels and supported by the billions of pounds it demands from it's member states. Europe is a continent of very diverse peoples and culture. Europe is a natural evolution of social cohesion and friction, the EU is a very unnatural construct of trade and wealth.

We voted to leave a politically elite, politically ambitious organisation that is run and ruled by some very anti-British minds (whether we were in or out). The Brussels elite is not the UK's friend and never was - they admitted that recently (I believe the quote was, "it wasn't much of a love affair"). It was often seen as a great aim to erode the UK's influence in Europe and it was happening year by year. Look at Camerons failed efforts to renegotiate. Most of what was achieved has been pulled apart as fluff and of no consequence. Brussels kicked his ass and he came back with all he could - scraps. That's the EU people are so upset to be leaving?

We are Europeans. We were always a great part of Europe, in conflict and in alliance. Our institutions are grounded in continental monarchies and progressive European philosophical thinking. To think there is a Britain that is not European is fallacy and to think we need the EU to be European is idiotic nonsense.

We are stronger in Europe and we ARE in Europe. We are simply freer outside the EU. The only people that really don't like it are the vested interests of large companies and wealthy elites. Give me higher taxes and give me freedom.

Great post :toast:
 

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Now ( WHEN WE EXIT )
Those Company's that Funded Remain ( GOOGLE AMAZON MICROSOFT COSTA COFFEE and the miriad more )
WILL NOW HAVE TO PAY THE TAXES TO THE UK instead of funneling to god knows where
with their double dutch/luxumberger Irish Cream Sandwich Tax shunting Deal's

That's why they funded the Remain faction not as a Sense of EU Solidarity or because it was in British Interests but because they would be Screwed where it HURTS THEM
Their Profits and Pockets.
 
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What made me vote was the 350 million we send to Brussels each week and dont get much back. Funny that all the greedy maggots voted to stay in as above.
350 million saving hope most of that goes to the NHS. And the potholes in my fuckin town..:toast:
 

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Speaking of
the 350 million we send to Brussels each week
One has to wonder how the EU will fund this UPCOMING DEFICIT.
will those other NET CONTRIBUTORS PAY MORE
will the Vast majority who receive more than they Contribute pay more
or will the EU Raise the DEFICIT BY INCREASING VAT ON EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE IN THE EU ( AND FURTHER TAX THOSE LEAST ABLE TO PAY IE THE POOR).

VAT CURRENTLY 25% ( EU Average ) BRITEX = VAT RAISED ON EVERYTHING TO 35+%.

My money is on " VAT RAISED ON EVERYTHING TO 35+%."
 
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I'm sure we will find out soon. At the mo its all scary storys blah blah blah.
 
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What made me vote was the 350 million we send to Brussels each week and dont get much back.

You might want to read one of my previous posts. If you voted to leave solely because of the 350 million figure, I'm afraid you've been duped.

Did you not see Farage clearly state on live TV the morning of the result that they lied about that money?

 

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With the rebate it's only about 8 billion pounds a year...
 
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There all full of lies
You might want to read one of my previous posts. If you voted to leave solely because of the 350 million figure, I'm afraid you've been duped.

Did you not see Farage clearly state on live TV the morning of the result that they lied about that money?


Was not just about the NHS the farmers the fisherman getting done over by eu laws.
 

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A petition for a second EU referendum in the UK has been hit by suspicions of computer automated ballot stuffing, possibly by politically motivated hackers.

77K fraudulent signatures have been removed from a petition calling for a second vote on the UK’s relationship with the European Union.

“There are 2,371 signatures from The Vatican - a place that only has a population of 1,000,” . Also the json data shows 2735 signatures from the Antarctic and 23,694 signatures from North Korea.”

what goes on when you lose eh
 
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Capslockstuck, that made me laugh out loud and ended up in a coughing fit :laugh: :toast:
 

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You two are basically an echo chamber :laugh:
 

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Sorry, have to post this here though I thought there was some relevance in it what with recent goings on.... Another terrorist attack in Turkey, this time at the Ataturk airport, Istanbul. 3 assailants with AK 47's and suicide vests according to reports and upto 28 people dead with 60 injured. My mum flew to Turkey yesterday, luckily she is in another part of the country but it is a hotbed for terrorists due to it's location (bordering the EU and Middle East) and certain groups of religious factions who live there.... And yet the EU wants to open up it's doors to Turkey....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Ataturk-airport-cause-multiple-injuries.html
 

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Sorry, have to post this here though I thought there was some relevance in it what with recent goings on.... Another terrorist attack in Turkey, this time at the Ataturk airport, Istanbul. 3 assailants with AK 47's and suicide vests according to reports and upto 28 people dead with 60 injured. My mum flew to Turkey yesterday, luckily she is in another part of the country but it is a hotbed for terrorists due to it's location (bordering the EU and Middle East) and certain groups of religious factions who live there.... And yet the EU wants to open up it's doors to Turkey....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Ataturk-airport-cause-multiple-injuries.html

Erdogan is an islamist by the back door. Many rumours abound that he kept quiet against IS initially as the Kurds which he hates were fighting against IS. I was in Bodrum last year and the people in Bodrum I spoke with were worried about the way their country was going. Effectively the older generation and the huge eastern areas of bumpkins votes for him but the western progressive side isn't as loyal. Erdogan and his party is the biggest problem the EU faces with Turkey. He's just like Putin in so many regards. The EU is only sidling up to him because of the migration crisis. It's all rather reprehensible.
 
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But still England lost to to a supermarket sized Iceland in football :D What could be worse... screw the brexit :D

I just had to add it :toast:. Actually I like to buy many things from UK and visit too as the flights are really cheap often... although I like Scotland more... not keen to London at all... I wonder how the prices will screw up.
 

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A motion of no confidence in Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has been passed by the party's MPs.

The 172-40 vote, which is not binding, follows resignations from the shadow cabinet and calls on Mr Corbyn to quit.

Mr Corbyn said the ballot had "no constitutional legitimacy" and said he would not "betray" the members who voted for him by resigning.

The leader's allies have told his critics to trigger a formal leadership contest if they want to challenge him.

Egotistical corbyn thinks Again that the people don't matter Because he is the leader and in Charge

Sieg Heil Furher Corbyn
Kristallnacht bekommen
 
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A motion of no confidence in Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has been passed by the party's MPs.

The 172-40 vote, which is not binding, follows resignations from the shadow cabinet and calls on Mr Corbyn to quit.

Mr Corbyn said the ballot had "no constitutional legitimacy" and said he would not "betray" the members who voted for him by resigning.

The leader's allies have told his critics to trigger a formal leadership contest if they want to challenge him.

Egotistical corbyn thinks Again that the people don't matter Because he is the leader and in Charge

Sieg Heil Furher Corbyn
Kristallnacht bekommen

The people don't matter? The people aren't voting in the no confidence motion, his MPs are. Not that I'm a Labour voter mind you.

Like he says, challenge him in a leadership vote, then the party can vote in a legally binding way.
 

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The people i was referring to are the 172 MP's of the Labour Party that passed this motion or are they not classed as people
 
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