ASUS RX 480 STRIX OC 8 GB

[abundantcores]

True nVidia addressed their CPU overhead with DX11 too, which should be commended, sure it shows less improvement going to DX12 like it did for AMD, but then that is just people celebrating mediocrity.

Mediocrity? i presume you are talking about the RX 480?
You said yourself AMD are bottlenecked in DX11.
DX12 / Vulkan is where it isn't, where its true performance is free to stretch its leg, there where its on paper performance throughput compared with the 1060 is put into practice, its a significantly more powerful card than the 1060.

AMD could have put all the time and money they put into Mantle into improving DX11 for themselves instead, like Nvidia did and this conversation would have been very different, but they didn't and we are.

As a result we now have more than one API monopolised by Microsoft, hell Vulkan is thought to be much better than DX12 let alone DX11 which Microsoft flat out refused to upgrade until Mantle came along.
It also means we don't have to be tied to Microsoft.

And all we can talk about is AMD as some sort of pseudo failure?

 

[Dimi]

Yes better in Vulkan, but the power draw is ridiculous. That alone is a massive failure to me.

Having 2 monitors, buying a 1060 would save me about 150 KW/h per year on combined idle/gaming power draw per year. Which results in roughly 60 EURO per year.

As i do about 3 years per GPU. I'd save around 180 EURO on power alone. I could almost buy my wife a new card from the money saved on electricity!

 

[abundantcores]

Yes better in Vulkan, but the power draw is ridiculous. That alone is a massive failure to me.

Having 2 monitors, buying a 1060 would save me about 150 KW/h per year on combined idle/gaming power draw per year. Which results in roughly 60 EURO per year.

As i do about 3 years per GPU. I'd save around 180 EURO on power alone. I could almost buy my wife a new card from the money saved on electricity!

Thats some proper expensive electricity you have there

 

[Alduin]

I have to say i'm not disappointed and not surprised by amd. because the performance of rx 480 is Clearly good
But efficiency is not good enough. i think
it's not Globalfoundries fault. GCN cores
are power hungry. but gaming powerdraw
of polaris 10 Is good And is comparable to Maxwell.Pascal is hard to catch

 

[Fluffmeister]

Mediocrity? i presume you are talking about the RX 480?
You said yourself AMD are bottlenecked in DX11.
DX12 / Vulkan is where it isn't, where its true performance is free to stretch its leg, there where its on paper performance throughput compared with the 1060 is put into practice, its a significantly more powerful card than the 1060.

AMD could have put all the time and money they put into Mantle into improving DX11 for themselves instead, like Nvidia did and this conversation would have been very different, but they didn't and we are.

As a result we now have more than one API monopolised by Microsoft, hell Vulkan is thought to be much better than DX12 let alone DX11 which Microsoft flat out refused to upgrade until Mantle came along.
It also means we don't have to be tied to Microsoft.

And all we can talk about is AMD as some sort of pseudo failure?

Again, these new API's are about reducing overhead, why is it a bad thing that nV can address it in DX11 and OpenGL yet AMD can't?

Nv provide great performance right across the board, you don't need to wait for new API's if your packing a slower CPU.

You don't have to have a 6700K, don't [be] daft, it works on any FX series and Ivy Bridge CPU or newer, those ancient CPU's on that chart are too old and no doubt lacking extensions.

Yet Nv don't suffer nearly as much, in fact they offer great performance as i said.

I'm not knocking the 480, I'm merely pointing out an awkward truth.

 

[abundantcores]

Again, these new API's are about reducing overhead, why is it a bad thing that nV can address it in DX11 and OpenGL yet AMD can't?

Nv provide great performance right across the board, you don't need to wait for new API's if your packing a slower CPU.



Yet Nv don't suffer nearly as much, in fact they offer great performance as i said.

I'm not knocking the 480, I'm merely pointing out an awkward truth.

Clearly there are limits to Nvidia's DX11 hacks, the technology in all these low level API's is clearly better.
Instead of criticizing AMD for not being as good with old technology as Nvidia your energy would be well spent being critical of Nvidia still not supporting this technology after promising it already with Maxwell and still not available on Pascal.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Clearly there are limits to Nvidia's DX11 hacks, the technology in all these low level API's is clearly better.
Instead of criticizing AMD for not being as good with old technology as Nvidia your energy would be well spent being critical of Nvidia still not supporting this technology after promising it already with Maxwell and still not available on Pascal.

No, I'm merely trying to put these results into context, these cards are aimed at budget gamers after all, or aren't they?

The HardOCP Vulkan results posted in this thread were also done with a 6700K @ 4.7Ghz for example, great results they were too, but it's not exactly a true reflection of the target audiences setup.

And DX11 has been around long enough, no excuses now.

 

[N3M3515]

"Sapphire Nitro+ RX 480 4GB @ $219 in PC World beats 1060 reference in some games" yea right... comparing a stock clocked non-FE GTX1060 VS manually OCed RX480 on DX12 + A-Sync driven games. A very "fair" comparison right there lel

Not to be an asshole but it would be unfair to the rx480 haha, after all it is a good 30 bucks cheaper than FE 1060

 

[abundantcores]

No, I'm merely trying to put these results into context, these cards are aimed at budget gamers after all, or aren't they?

The HardOCP Vulkan results posted in this thread were also done with a 6700K @ 4.7Ghz for example, great results they were too, but it's not exactly a true reflection of the target audiences setup.

And DX11 has been around long enough, no excuses now.

You on with that 6700K again? you don't need a CPU anything like that, this is the beauty of it, much lower performance CPU's will give you the same game performance, where as in DX11 it will be worse.

 

[Fluffmeister]

You on with that 6700K again? you don't need a CPU anything like that, this is the beauty of it, much lower performance CPU's will give you the same game performance, where as in DX11 it will be worse.

Worse with AMD.

 

[mastershake575]

What the hell is AMD doing ?

AMD delayed a lot with AIB RX 480 cards. On the contrary we could find AIB GTX1060 from day1.

AMD did a poor job with reference RX480 aswell.

So... How did they manage to turn a situation where they will play alone in the $250 market to this mess?

This magnitude of fail is fishy. Do they have people inside AMD that will be benefit from AMD going bankrupt?

 

[[502]]

What the hell is AMD doing ?

AMD delayed a lot with AIB RX 480 cards. On the contrary we could find AIB GTX1060 from day1.

AMD did a poor job with reference RX480 aswell.

So... How did they manage to turn a situation where they will play alone in the $250 market to this mess?

This magnitude of fail is fishy. Do they have people inside AMD that will be benefit from AMD going bankrupt?

The same thing happened with GTX1080. Perhaps they didn't have enough chips.

 

[tuklap]

My r9 290x is still relevant compared to RX 480.. hence... no upgrade for me wahahaha!

 

[dwade]

AIB cards are still no where to be found. Many people such as myself surrendered to the GTX 1060 for $230 @ Newegg. So much for trying to support AMD when they have failed themselves...

 

[abundantcores]

Well there is some good news, AMD shares grew 15% today, its added about $500m to their Market Cap. they are higher today than they have been since late 2011.

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/amd

 

[THU31]

The power consumption of these cards is so bad.

GCN was designed with consoles in mind, so AMD are not making any significant changes in the architecture, in order to keep the best compatibility for the console refresh (Scorpio and Neo). Without those changes the efficiency cannot change much either, which is why at 14 nm they achieved what NVIDIA did at 28 nm with Maxwell.

For the same reason AMD GPUs do so well in low-level APIs, that is what they were designed for years ago, for the future. I hope they continue to do well in DX12/Vulkan games, because I want them to force NVIDIA to drop the prices of their overpriced Pascal cards. I want my cards to be inaudible (silence>performance), but I will not pay that much for the 1070. I am sticking with my 970 for now.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

Hmmm there are more problems with this review.

W1zzard your OC results are way off from those in KitGuru's review released today. They managed 1400Mhz OC and could have pushed further but the sliders in GPU Tweak were maxed at that setting. What overclocking software did you use? 3% overclock didn't make sense even before KitGuru's review tbh.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...us-rx-480-strix-gaming-oc-aura-rgb-8192mb/30/

Also, your power consumption figures seem particularly unfavourable for the card. KitGuru measure total system power draw but their tests show the card draws less under load than a non-reference 970:

http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...us-rx-480-strix-gaming-oc-aura-rgb-8192mb/29/

 

[mrthanhnguyen]

Hmmm there are more problems with this review.

W1zzard your OC results are way off from those in KitGuru's review released today. They managed 1400Mhz OC and could have pushed further but the sliders in GPU Tweak were maxed at that setting. What overclocking software did you use? 3% overclock didn't make sense even before KitGuru's review tbh.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...us-rx-480-strix-gaming-oc-aura-rgb-8192mb/30/

Also, your power consumption figures seem particularly unfavourable for the card. KitGuru measure total system power draw but their tests show the card draws less under load than a non-reference 970:

http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...us-rx-480-strix-gaming-oc-aura-rgb-8192mb/29/

First, your card can hit 1.4Ghz doesn't mean all other cards can hit the same 1.4Ghz. Second, 3dmark gives 6% gain doesn't mean it gains 6% in games.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

First, your card can hit 1.4Ghz doesn't mean all other cards can hit the same 1.4Ghz. Second, 3dmark gives 6% gain doesn't mean it gains 6% in games.

It's disingenuous of W1zzard to test this card using WattMan when WattMan is buggy. There's a Nitro OC+ review from KitGuru today and again, they said they could possibly achieve higher overclocks (than 1390 this time) with the Nitro but AMD's OC software is sh*te and the voltage control doesn't even work.

So we should wait for Trixx.

 

[W1zzard]

It's disingenuous of W1zzard to test this card using WattMan when WattMan is buggy. There's a Nitro OC+ review from KitGuru today and again, they said they could possibly achieve higher overclocks (than 1390 this time) with the Nitro but AMD's OC software is sh*te and the voltage control doesn't even work.

Who said I'm using WattMan?

I recommend you buy a RX480, test maximum stable clock in 3DMark, then test maximum stable clock in various games.

their tests show the card draws less under load than a non-reference 970:

How's that compared to a reference 970 ?

 

[mrthanhnguyen]

It's disingenuous of W1zzard to test this card using WattMan when WattMan is buggy. There's a Nitro OC+ review from KitGuru today and again, they said they could possibly achieve higher overclocks (than 1390 this time) with the Nitro but AMD's OC software is sh*te and the voltage control doesn't even work.

So we should wait for Trixx.

Did you watch Joker? His nitro hits only 1342mhz.

 

[elcedion]

My r9 290x is still relevant compared to RX 480.. hence... no upgrade for me wahahaha!

The R9 290X release price was $550 and the RX 480 release price is $240, you have to wait the RX 490X for a serious upgrade.

 

[medi01]

Yes better in Vulkan, but the power draw is ridiculous.

Ditto.
But Anandtech reported 37w more AT POWER SOCKET in ref 480 vs FE 1060 while running Crysis 3.


That goes vs what TPU and most other sites are reporting, although they are trying to measure it right at the GPU (it still doesn't explain the difference, if anything, Anand should have seen ever bigger numbers, since PSUs have about 80% efficiency) what is much harder to do right, compared to what Anandtech is measuring.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10540/the-geforce-gtx-1060-founders-edition-asus-strix-review/16

PS
Oh, kitguru seems to also agree with Anandtech more than with TPU (and a number of others).

Anyhow, total system power consumption is more interesting, since it takes into account CPU load (which might be different from card to card) and is more reliable in general.

 

[Athlonite]

Apparently this same card with a modded BIOS is now being sold by Asus as the

ASUS ROG-STRIX-RX580-O8G-GAMING

with 1380MHz OC clock and 1360MHz gaming clock