Microsoft Out to Destroy Steam: Epic's Tim Sweeney

[erixx]

they are competitors in gaming but far away. MS could have a small gaming portal as it did have, or like Ubi or EA, with there small portofolio. Add some decent servers for MP and nice game forums and you have a base platform for future growth. Make succesfull games, good pricing, good support.
Thats called loyal competition. The rest is singing bells.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Correct but I think MS is forced by Steam as they came up with steam OS and steam box which is a threat for windows platform.

Actually, the move for Steam OS came after the reveal by Gabe a couple years ago that I mentioned when he revealed that W8 and 8.1 were set up to exclude anything they wanted (walled garden).

So no, it's not a response to Steam OS.

 

[yogurt_21]

idk I can still fire up Win 3.1 and everything works. I can still fire up any version of DOS and everything works.

and win 95, 98 se, 2000, Xp, etc.

do I sometimes have to pull out something from the hardware stack to get it to work? sure, or I can sometimes emulate it in a virtual environment.

but microsoft has stopped support for alot of things that still work.

Unless they are going to launch viruses that systematically remove all win32 items...all we're talking about here is another windows update item to ignore via the registry.

If this was Apple then that would be different. They spend decades dumbing down their users to the point where all they can handle is something that fires up and is ready to use.

Microsoft has had such a terrible record that windows users are experts at exploits. They can't unring that bell no matter how much they may want to.

so go ahead and try MS. you can't stop us.

 

[Agentbb007]

What does Tim Sweeney mean "The rising reliability issues affecting Steam"? I haven't had any reliability issues with Steam on Windows 10.

 

[erixx]

What does Tim Sweeney mean "The rising reliability issues affecting Steam"? I haven't had any reliability issues with Steam on Windows 10.

+1

 

[TheGuruStud]

Steam is so popular that this tactic will only make game developers use Vulkan instead of DX12 and gamers refuse upgrade to Windows 10 or even rollback ... after all MS can't mess up Win32 support in older OS versions

Once vulkan is standard there's no reason to use windows. Linux may finally be coming.

 

[ZoneDymo]

Once vulkan is standard there's no reason to use windows. Linux may finally be coming.

For games yeah...but most people dont get a Windows pc because the games run on Windows, games run on Windows because everyone uses Windows for everything because everyone else uses Windows for everything.

 

[TheGuruStud]

For games yeah...but most people dont get a Windows pc because the games run on Windows, games run on Windows because everyone uses Windows for everything because everyone else uses Windows for everything.

Then the dumb bastards better learn how to virtualize. Once gaming isn't on windows, I'm virtualizing everything else.

 

[medi01]

For games yeah...but most people dont get a Windows pc because the games run on Windows, games run on Windows because everyone uses Windows for everything because everyone else uses Windows for everything.

Games run on Windows, because DirectX (and some company that loves proprietary tech) killed OpenGL (the only alternative until pretty much this year).

 

[Totally]

Isn't it a walled garden in Macland? If Apple is able to do so without anyone shaming them, why can't MS do it also?

 

[rtwjunkie]

Isn't it a walled garden in Macland? If Apple is able to do so without anyone shaming them, why can't MS do it also?

Well, go play some of the games and their "implementation" by MS in the store. Look at MS history in regards to gamng. https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...ts-love-for-pc-by-doing-nothing-at-e3.202172/

You don't want to leave it only in their hands.

 

[cyneater]

I think most people are missing a part of the puzzle here.

Microsoft doesn’t want you to game on PC.
They want everyone using there Xbox.
Which is the platform where they make the most money.

Id love to see the demise of windows since they have gone full retard and got ride of the classic start button.
Windows 8 onwards is a mess you need yo be on LSD or some other sort of mind altering drug to get the phone gui and why you would want that on a PC is beyond me.

Sadly with the water cooler over clocking windows 10 generation coming though it looks like anyone trying to challenge Microsofts os as the os for gamers is going to be met a lot of resistance.

Years ago amiga was the platform of gamers... then it died.. A lot of the big studios developed for amiga now sadly its consoles windows and linux...

Who knows what the future holds but linux needs that one killed app...
Half life 3 exclusive to steam for 12 months aka like Sony do with some playstation titles might be an answer.

 

[TheGuruStud]

I think most people are missing a part of the puzzle here.

Microsoft doesn’t want you to game on PC.
They want everyone using there Xbox.
Which is the platform where they make the most money.

Bingo. They pretend to want to make PC gaming succeed and use these intentionally bad decisions as cover (b/c it fits their M.O.), but the goal is to kill it.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Why's UWP garbage?

Pretty sure it is causing UNEXPECTED_STORE_EXCEPTION BSODs for me. It always happens when a UWP application is running (e.g. Outlook, Calculator, Edge).


UWP will never support Vulkan so games like Doom will never be on UWP.

Win32: Strictly desktop/laptop programs.
UWP: Strictly Metro-style programs that appears on Windows 8.1, Windows 10, and Windows Phone.

I don't think UWP can replace Win32. I mean, Visual Studio 2015 is a Win32 program, for example.

 

[Frick]

Then the dumb bastards better learn how to virtualize. Once gaming isn't on windows, I'm virtualizing everything else.

Once we have proper hardware access from a VM we don't need anything.

Pretty sure it is causing UNEXPECTED_STORE_EXCEPTION BSODs for me. It always happens when a UWP application is running (e.g. Outlook, Calculator, Edge).


UWP will never support Vulkan so games like Doom will never be on UWP.

Win32: Strictly desktop/laptop programs.
UWP: Strictly Metro-style programs that appears on Windows 8.1, Windows 10, and Windows Phone.

I don't think UWP can replace Win32. I mean, Visual Studio 2015 is a Win32 program, for example.

Yeah win32 programs had never caused problems. If anything UWP should mitigate some problems.

And the platform will improve. As for games, the limitations will go away in future. If MS wants to compete with Steam on the short term it has to work. Their long term plan might well be an Apple-style store, but by then Vulkan has taken of. Right?

 

[msamelis]

I have had a few Steam crashes when I stream games (the streaming/gaming PC has Win 10) to my living room's HTPC (Win 7 and via a wired connection) but I doubt it's because of MS. Or at least I hope so..

 

[TheGuruStud]

Once we have proper hardware access from a VM we don't need anything.

True, but you'll have to pry my native hardware from my cold, dead hands.

 

[Frick]

True, but you'll have to pry my native hardware from my cold, dead hands.

I truly believe gamers/enthusiasts will end up with workstations, essentially. Cheap dekstops have little purpose now, unless you can't afford the CPU/GPU you want and intend to upgrade later. Intel changes sockets more often than I change socks. And with SFF systems being what they are (speedy, small and not that expensive) and all... Which means once we do have true metal access from VMs we become omnipotent.

 

[Frick]

I have had a few Steam crashes when I stream games (the streaming/gaming PC has Win 10) to my living room's HTPC (Win 7 and via a wired connection) but I doubt it's because of MS. Or at least I hope so..

Some Steam games don't run at all without hackery. Mostly old games.

 

[msamelis]

Some Steam games don't run at all without hackery. Mostly old games.

Thanks for the tip, I wasn't aware. I've been streaming a 2009 and a 2011 game, Star Wars Lego for the kids to play. I'm not sure if they are known to be buggy with Steam stream or if it's my router that can't handle the bandwidth. Steam crashes on the streaming PC if that matters.

In any case, sorry for going off subject, carry on lads

 

[lemkeant]

Man...whats wrong with competition? Steam needs it, Nvidia needs it, Apple needs it, etc. Look at the US wireless carriers...T-Mobile has come to power and disrupted everything.

I've used Win 10 store for 2 games (Quantum Break and Kiler Instinct). I was happy with both and look forward to playing more games on my cpu without needing to buy an Xbox.

#tinfoilhatssuck

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Yeah win32 programs had never caused problems. If anything UWP should mitigate some problems.

That's only the tip of the ice berg. Examples:
-I've had Outlook and Edge opened at the same. Close Edge and it closed Outlook too.
-Click on link which should open Edge. It clearly did open because I can hear a video playing but the UI element of Edge refused to show itself. I had to restart computer to fix it.
-The UWP applications that are packaged into Windows 10 so if they really FUBAR, about the only option to fix them is to reinstall Windows.

I wish I knew more about that BSOD but Windows literally has no information on it can save. The only other time I've seen that in programming is when dealing with WPF (the technology behind "Metro-style" that is instrumental to UWP). I can play games all day long but the moment I get quick with Edge and other UWP applications is when it happens. There's too many coincidences for it to be merely a coincidence. I've seen these BSODs pretty much since I installed it almost a year ago.

 

[Deelron]

Isn't it a walled garden in Macland? If Apple is able to do so without anyone shaming them, why can't MS do it also?

No, it's not. You can run non App Store apps on a Mac, you'll have to go through Gatekeeper on the first startup, but after that it runs just fine.

MacOS is not iOS.

 

[$ReaPeR$]

if this was true, i think someone would have sued M$. we are talking about Stem after all, not a penniless entity.

 

[qubit]

I can smell antitrust coming on. Surely the likes of Valve teamed with other major software companies have deep enough pockets to bring a class action lawsuit?

I've not noticed any increasing problems with Steam though. Has anyone else?