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Ahoy, ladies and gentlemen - and impossibly uncategorized people of the internet.
Sit close and listen to my woes, for I have a story to tell about a man, a man and his cooler.
No ordinary cooler, ladies and gentlemen, know that for sure. While it bears the guise of a stock model, it is clearly possessed by forces beyond human comprehension, wrought with demonic powers and malign sentience in order to bring great havoc and suffering upon the hearts of the mortals, and those cursed with its ownership.

Like this, it has scheemed and worked for years, but it was not until greater temperatures hailed from the summer that its malice became obvious and apparent for the beholder. And now, exposed is the Beast, exposed but inbatible, uncontrollolable, indomitable. For it matters little to what heavenly degree of heat the core reaches, it refuses to act preemptively, to do its job and take on its virtual hands the holy duty with which it was tasked. It refuses to obey the commands of his master, acting on its own volition instead, to its own accord.

Such level of rebelion, of disarray and chaos cannot be allowed. Not in this kingdom.
It must be tamed.

So I call to thee, the great techies, in this great time of need! I call for thine assistance in this task, like knights to slay my dragon! Tame this monster, before it is too late!

Now the real version:

(Specs below)

I'm having temp issues lately. Playing games the CPU can reach impressive 70ºC temperatures, which is far above its acceptable temperature. Normally the solution would be "ADD M0AR COOLERS!", but the thing is that I don't need more than what I have.
My stock cooler usually runs at 4000RPM, but it can reach equally impressive 6500RPM... if it feels like it.
Usually, it waits until the CPU raises temp over 75ºC to speed up, but by that point the computer is greatly struggling to not set itself aflame.

From the BIOS, I have only two options to control the fan speed. Either Full On, and Automatic (with a desired heat). Both work exactly the same.
Using Speedfan, and other similar software, I can barely control the fan speed. Whether I set it to manual, Thermal Cruise, Fan Speed Cruise, or what have at you, it seems to work normally at 4500 and only speed up randomly (sometimes, when there's not even a high degree of heat!). Only Smart Fan seems to behave differently, greatly reducing its speed.

I am at my wit's ends with this.
What am I missing? What I am doing wrong, or not doing?!


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Mobo: Asrock N68-GS4 FX
CPU: AMD FX 8150 (with stock cooler, I think).
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Power Supply: ANTEC 500W (true). Heck if I remember the exact model.
500GB HDD Western Digital.
120GB SSD SanDisk.
SO: Windows 7 64X (Ultimate)

Open carcass, no AUX cooler.
Latest BIOS update.
Clean Windows install.
All drivers up to date.
The cooler is 4-pinned like the mother.
 

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Try changing the paste, if it was fine and now its not, perhaps you knocked it and it "broke" the seal.
 
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Pending in my plans!
But I'd like to learn how to manually speed up the cooler in the process.
 

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Im currently using the cooler that comes with the 8350.....it works at huge revs and is way too loud for my liking.

A cooler for £ 20.00 will serve you better and be quieter.
 
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Ha, ha, my good sir! I'm afraid that my treasury chamber is quite devoid of riches at the moment.
Therefore, I must Scrounge McDuck it up all the way, for now!
 

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Ive got a lot of fan control on my m/b......that fan seems to want to run at c.4,500 or close to 6,500 rpm and do its own thing.

I can run my cpu at 1.6ghz and it will stay cool, however my m/b controls wont let me slow down the fan any more.......i guess its a feature ( or a flaw).
 
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Ah, I didn't think about checking the manual.
Strangely, that bios is not exactly like the one I have, nor the options are exactly the same, but at end of counts it's essentially the same, and nothing that I haven't checked and tweaked in and out before!

Desperation reaching critical levels.
Any ideas before desperation meltdown?
 
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are you sure it is clamped down correctly? The AMD clips can be awkward........there should be no "play " at all.

Failing that i really would suggest another cooler if you want to avoid problems (and more frustration)

These are £15.00 and work ok. I have used them on overclocked cpus

 

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Try plugging it into the Channel_1 fan header down by the battery, see if that header defaults at 12V power.
The other way to go would be to get yourself an adapter, so you can power the fan from a Molex plug.
 
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Mm! Imma give the Channel 1 a try, assuming I can find it.
If I never post again, my computer either exploded, I electrocuted myself or it worked.
 
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The problem in the case...!
Is that Cha_fan 1 is very, very far away from the cooler and there is no way that the cable can reach that far, not over the stupidly massive video card.
 

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should be able to weasel it in behind it at the end of the PCI-E slot, assuming the cable is long enough to do that much. You could also remove the card, plug in the fan, then replace the card if your skills are up to the challenge.
 

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Mobo: Asrock N68-GS4 FX
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Ram: 2GB x2 (Kingston, and I forgot the other one)
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Open carcass, no AUX cooler.
Latest BIOS update.
Clean Windows install.
All drivers up to date.
The cooler is 4-pinned like the mother.
why people no fill sys specs on a computer forum? , cant understand the reason .....

Pending in my plans!
But I'd like to learn how to manually speed up the cooler in the process.
you dont need to ...

Try changing the paste, if it was fine and now its not, perhaps you knocked it and it "broke" the seal.
this is always the first step when weird temps attack....

Also please @icelandia try to tell us moar about the cooler, also a pic could be nice...!

Regards,
 
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a fan extension cable is like $3
 
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Stock cooler!
The one that comes up with the FX 8150.


I've been dawdling on the suggested weaseling.
 
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Updates and developments, dear comrades!

The Beast remains truly out of my control - to the point I have desisted entirely to try and tame it. Instead, I have sook the solution in tools and trinkets. Thermic grease was the summoned force, intended to master the heat and berid the issues once and for all.

The trials and tribulations to acquire such were many. Many died in this quest, but at the end, the thermic grease was to be found in my power.

Much to my dismay, after applying the grease, I found the results... undesirable.

I proceed toward acquiring a second, auxiliary cooler in order to vanquish this monster that plagues my dreams... and my games and everything else.
 
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If you don't overclock, did you try to undervolt? Lowering the stock voltage (load) by 0.1 - 0.2 V is possbile with many CPUs resulting in much lower temps.

Wasn't there even a tool for AMD CPUs where you can adjust the voltage for every P-State in Windows, so you don't have to mess around in the BIOS right away?!
 
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Interesting.
I didn't think of that, and I'll definitely be trying it Soon (TM).
 
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I've "dealt" with five or six of that style stock cooler before. I just take the old fan and shroud off and put an 80mm fan onto it. Zip-ties in two corner holes, going down and holding onto the heat pipes. Gives you way better cooling performance and WAY better sound levels.
 
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I've "dealt" with five or six of that style stock cooler before. I just take the old fan and shroud off and put an 80mm fan onto it. Zip-ties in two corner holes, going down and holding onto the heat pipes. Gives you way better cooling performance and WAY better sound levels.
I don't understand, how would replacing the 80mm fan with a slower one improve temps? As stated in OP, the stock fan reaches 4000-6500rpm - most 80mm fans run 1600-2000rpm, unless they're Deltas or Nidecs, which can run up to 8000rpm, and sound like a jet plane taking off. So you stated that it now has way better cooling performance AND way better sound levels - so tell us all, who makes this magic 80mm fan you're talking about?, that some how cools so much better, while having WAY better sound levels...
 
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Beeing an open case or none at all therese little to no aditional cooling air from lets say a frtont case fan that would blow towards the cpu fan and adiacent area where one might find vrm,nb,offpackage near socket thermal sensor.... .
Undervolting on a board without top nothc vrm and quality wont be the saving thing for noisy fan.(I ran a phenom II from 1.275 VID down to 1volt with 14mhz bckl increase on top, needed 1.050 for stability but it did post and booted at 1v.)
New cpu cooler semms to be the answer.
 
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