TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[AsRock]

Hope this counts

 

[Trekkie4]

Oh yeah!!

Some time ago, I posted a pic of Sansui amp & radio tuner, both in perfect condition!

 

[AsRock]

Oh yeah!!

Some time ago, I posted a pic of Sansui amp & radio tuner, both in perfect condition!

Yeah maybe should of kept it, one of the knobs set ya back 5-10$ lol.

 

[dorsetknob]

HP Visualize (P-Class) is a dual-CPU system, so I could theoretically have two S370 Pentiums 3 (1GHz each)

no No No No
Maybe slot 2 Xeons (SECC330 SECC495)
Pentium III Xeon
List: List of Intel Xeon microprocessors#"Tanner" (250 nm)
In 1999, the Pentium II Xeon was replaced by the Pentium III Xeon. Reflecting the incremental changes from the Pentium II "Deschutes" core to the Pentium III "Katmai" core, the first Pentium III Xeon, named "Tanner", was just like its predecessor except for the addition of Streaming SIMD Extensions (SSE) and a few cache controller improvements. The product codes for Tanner mirrored that of Katmai; 80525.

List: List of Intel Xeon microprocessors#"Cascades" (180 nm)
The second version, named "Cascades", was based on the Pentium III "Coppermine" core. The "Cascades" Xeon used a 133 MHz bus and relatively small 256 kB on-die L2 cache resulting in almost the same capabilities as the Slot 1 Coppermine processors, which were capable of dual-processor operation but not quad-processor operation.

To improve this situation, Intel released another version, officially also named "Cascades", but often referred to as "Cascades 2 MB". That came in two variants: with 1 MB or 2 MB of L2 cache. Its bus speed was fixed at 100 MHz, though in practice the cache was able to offset this. The product code for Cascades mirrored that of Coppermine; 80526.

 

[Trekkie4]

Thanks for the effort of explaining everything, but I'm pretty sure this one is S370 And no, I don't think it was a mod or upgrade either - IDK where you got your information, but there are loads of guides & tech specs out there & they all confirm what it says on the screen, 1.00GHz Pentium 3 (either Coppermine or Tualatin) with optional 2nd processor (I'm guessing there's a terminator of some sort inside) and 1023 (+1) mb of RAM.

Don't know about anything else (since I don't actually have it yet), but I know the guy who owns these, so he agreed to give me one unit for free



@AsRock You sold your Sansui unit? That's too bad, I still have mine over here. They don't really have much of a purpose other than collecting dust, but they are awesome to see. Especially tuner component, with all those light bulbs & frequency scale

 

[Mr.Scott]

Thanks for the effort of explaining everything, but I'm pretty sure this one is S370 And no, I don't think it was a mod or upgrade either - IDK where you got your information, but there are loads of guides & tech specs out there & they all confirm what it says on the screen, 1.00GHz Pentium 3 (either Coppermine or Tualatin) with optional 2nd processor (I'm guessing there's a terminator of some sort inside) and 1023 (+1) mb of RAM.

Don't know about anything else (since I don't actually have it yet), but I know the guy who owns these, so he agreed to give me one unit for free

Not so fast.
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/v...sonal-workstation-p-class-technical-reference

It says nothing about Tualatins.
It is a dual SLOT 1 board. There were Slot 1 PIII Coppermines to 1 GHz.

 

[dorsetknob]

Wuck me

Think I'm definitely going to grab this one, especially since I don't have to pay for it

Wow, I'm surprised no one else pointed this out, but according to the online specs HP Visualize (P-Class) is a dual-CPU system,

Fancy Running Win 10 on that Bugger

http://www.hp-drivers-download.com/hp-drivers/hp-visualize-p-class

but I'm pretty sure this one is S370

Duel Socket 370 Don't think so

As Far as i can Research Socket 370 was Single CPU only See ARK and There are links in wilki post Above
the P3 Xeon's Were Slot 1 and Slot 2 ( both Duel CPU Capable )
There is the possibility that its Got 2 Slockets Fitted both Running Socket 370 CPU's in a 2 Slot Motherboard

 

[Mr.Scott]

If it were mine, I would try a pair of 370 slockets, a pair of Lin Lin Tualatin adapters, and a pair of Pentium III 1.4 Tualatins. They run at 100 bclk.

Hmmmmm...........

Room for cooling might be a problem though. I would have to rig something up. Not much room between the slots. There is always a way though. Think outside the box.

 

[Trekkie4]

Not so fast.
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/v...sonal-workstation-p-class-technical-reference

It says nothing about Tualatins.
It is a dual SLOT 1 board. There were Slot 1 PIII Coppermines to 1 GHz.

I never said anything for sure lol, I'm HOPING it might be Tualatin CPU, but then again it might as well easily be Coppermine. Like I said, I don't have the machine here at the moment, so it'll have to wait for a week or so before we'll finally get to the bottom of this

Wuck me


Fancy Running Win 10 on that Bugger

http://www.hp-drivers-download.com/hp-drivers/hp-visualize-p-class


Duel Socket 370 Don't think so

As Far as i can Research Socket 370 was Single CPU only See ARK and There are links in wilki post Above
the P3 Xeon's Were Slot 1 and Slot 2 ( both Duel CPU Capable )
There is the possibility that its Got 2 Slockets Fitted both Running Socket 370 CPU's in a 2 Slot Motherboard

You could be right... I suppose the only way to find out for sure is to take those things apart & find out what makes them tick. Either way, I personally consider this one to be rarity, since I never had a dual-CPU motherboards, and/or professional-graded AGP graphics. It'll be interested to see how they perform under 3DMark 99 & 2000, assuming I can get it to work properly & find all the necessary drivers of course.

Edit
@Mr.Scott I like the way you think, but the only problem would be to find all these things. I don't remember when was the last time I saw Tualatin for sale locally, especially Coppermine and/or Tualatin compatible Slocket adapters! I got 2 or 3 among the spares, but those ones are for Mendocino (Celeron) CPUs only, without the jumpers and voltage support for Pentium 3 CPUs

 

[debs3759]

Duel Socket 370 Don't think so

As Far as i can Research Socket 370 was Single CPU only See ARK and There are links in wilki post Above
the P3 Xeon's Were Slot 1 and Slot 2 ( both Duel CPU Capable )

You are mistaken about both.

Socket 370 was/is dual socket capable (I have a dual 370 board)

All P3 Xeon were Slot 2, none were slot 1. Slot 1 was PII and PIII only.

 

[dorsetknob]

pics please

Socket 370 was/is dual socket capable (I have a dual 370 board)

or at least a make and model reference

Edit
i Stand Corrected
http://www.anandtech.com/show/816

@debs3759 my Home address is incoming so you can vist to SPANK ME

 

[Mr.Scott]

@Mr.Scott I like the way you think, but the only problem would be to find all these things. I don't remember when was the last time I saw Tualatin for sale locally, especially Coppermine and/or Tualatin compatible Slocket adapters! I got 2 or 3 among the spares, but those ones are for Mendocino (Celeron) CPUs only, without the jumpers and voltage support for Pentium 3 CPUs

Probably tougher in your location for sure.
I have everything on hand already, that's the only reason I mentioned it. Just thinking out loud.

 

[Mr.Scott]

pics please

or at least a make and model reference

Edit
i Stand Corrected
http://www.anandtech.com/show/816

I also own a couple dual 370 boards. Asus CUVX-4D and Abit BP6.

 

[AsRock]

Thanks for the effort of explaining everything, but I'm pretty sure this one is S370 And no, I don't think it was a mod or upgrade either - IDK where you got your information, but there are loads of guides & tech specs out there & they all confirm what it says on the screen, 1.00GHz Pentium 3 (either Coppermine or Tualatin) with optional 2nd processor (I'm guessing there's a terminator of some sort inside) and 1023 (+1) mb of RAM.

Don't know about anything else (since I don't actually have it yet), but I know the guy who owns these, so he agreed to give me one unit for free



@AsRock You sold your Sansui unit? That's too bad, I still have mine over here. They don't really have much of a purpose other than collecting dust, but they are awesome to see. Especially tuner component, with all those light bulbs & frequency scale

Going to, just needs some TLC first. And yeah sat here while it was turned on and did look some kind of awesome. If it was a old NAD or Rotel then you would have to kill me for it lol.

 

[Trekkie4]

Well, IDK... Sansui made some of the best HiFi components back in a day, all high quality products! I'm sure I could flip mine for a decent price, but it's just not worth it IMHO. Sooner or later I may decide to build a HiFi stereo system, in which case I'll need all the components I can find Also have two tape decks, Aiwa AD-F550 and Kenwood KX-W4080

 

[debs3759]

@debs3759 my Home address is incoming so you can vist to SPANK ME

I charge £100 per hour (min 1 hour) plus travelling expenses (old hardware may be taken in lieu of payment)

 

[debs3759]

I haven't checked my pile of motherboards, but pretty sure it's the Asus CUVX-4D that I have.

 

[MaxiPro800]

Found some PC parts at a dumpster - a KME CX-5762 case with a dud ECS 945PL-A v1.1 (dead southbridge).

I built this machine with the case:

MB : Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000
RAM : 1GB DDR400
PSU : Modecom FEEL III FEEL-400ATX (OEM'd by Deer/L&C)
CPU : Pentium 4 2.8GHz,Northwood
GPU : ATi Radeon HD3450 512MB AGP8x
HDD : Maxtor 6Y080L0 80GB & Samsung SP0411N 40GB (both IDE)
ODD : Hitachi-LG GCR-8481B & Pioneer DVD-117
Other:
-MSI D-Bracket (for USB mainly)
-Realtek RTL8139C PCI NIC
-Leadtek Winfast TV2000XP Deluxe PCI TV Tuner

 

[Trekkie4]

Just a small update on my behalf, regarding RetroMaster 2500 project... Even though I got Aureal Vortex2 card to work under XP, it was causing sound issues under some of the games (Grand Theft Auto 3 & Vice City in particular), so I decided to bridge the Aureal card with onboard sound system, closing them into a loop. Not really much to say, just a standard audio cable from the sound output on the motherboard that's plugged into line-input on Aureal, so now XP can use both systems when (and if) necessary.

Since the speaker jack is still connected to Aureal card, nothing has changed under Win98, and the onboard (VIA) sound system is being ignored

 

[Trekkie4]

Question guys...

When you have a dual processor board, (slot-1 in particular, yes @dorsetknob you were right ) do you absolutely NEED to install the one (and only CPU) in CPU slot #1 or can you have a terminator module as #1 and the actual CPU as #2?

The reason I'm asking is because of the space, room on the motherboard. I need to swap the CPU cartridge for one of my own, which has a bigger heatsink than the original "HP" branded ones. Meaning it doesn't fit into first slot, only the 2nd one. So I was thinking of swapping the CPU & terminator around, as long it's possible...

 

[stinger608]

Question guys...

When you have a dual processor board, (slot-1 in particular, yes @dorsetknob you were right ) do you absolutely NEED to install the one (and only CPU) in CPU slot #1 or can you have a terminator module as #1 and the actual CPU as #2?

The reason I'm asking is because of the space, room on the motherboard. I need to swap the CPU cartridge for one of my own, which has a bigger heatsink than the original "HP" branded ones. Meaning it doesn't fit into first slot, only the 2nd one. So I was thinking of swapping the CPU & terminator around, as long it's possible...

That's a very good question man. I have a slot 1 2P system but I don't think I even have a terminator module to test that theory out.

 

[dorsetknob]

And i have a few slot 1 Cpu's ( 2 x 233Mhz Active Cooled and 2 x 266Mhz Fanless (MATCHED PAIRS) + a Few Celerons) and one Terminator But no longer have a(Duel) Slot 1 Board

As Far as i am Aware ( and i welcome being Corrected if wrong ..) You have to Populate Slot1 A first with Terminator in Slot1 B
for 1 CPU operation
for Duel CPU you Populate Both Slots ( yeh that's so Ruddy logical )
any other combination like
CPU in Slot1 A no Terminator in Slot1 B Boot Fail
terminator in Slot 1 A and CPU in Slot 1 B boot Fail
Missing Terminator Slot1 A CPU in Slot1 B Boot Fail

 

[Trekkie4]

And i have a few slot 1 Cpu's ( 2 x 233Mhz Active Cooled and 2 x 266Mhz Fanless (MATCHED PAIRS) + a Few Celerons) and one Terminator But no longer have a(Duel) Slot 1 Board

As Far as i am Aware ( and i welcome being Corrected if wrong ..) You have to Populate Slot1 A first with Terminator in Slot1 B
for 1 CPU operation
for Duel CPU you Populate Both Slots ( yeh that's so Ruddy logical )
any other combination like
CPU in Slot1 A no Terminator in Slot1 B Boot Fail
terminator in Slot 1 A and CPU in Slot 1 B boot Fail
Missing Terminator Slot1 A CPU in Slot1 B Boot Fail

You're right, it actually turned out to be pretty simple... HP Visualize comes with its own, small LCD on the front panel which detected "missing CPU" in slot 1 A & told me I have to swap them around.

Doesn't really matter any longer as the 2nd unit (the one which didn't have a CPU, so I had to use one of my own), which I was kindly asked to inspect & repair if possible seems to be beyond repairs. It does turn on, but apart from that hangs with error message "Temp CPU error" which according to HP documentation translates to high temperature warning for the CPU. Except the actual CPU was completely cold, about the same temp as rest of the chassis so I figured it was something with the motherboard & gave up. As if that wasn't obvious enough, someone already stripped the entire unit of CPU, RAM & hard drives, leaving pretty much nothing except for Iomega ZIP drive, DVD ROM and AGP (pro) video card. However, someone's misfortune is my gain, because I got the other, fully working Visualize P-Class for free! And guess what, this other Visualize has ALL the mentioned parts from the other unit, so it's doubled up in the terms of speed & capacity. Two genuine Slot-1 Pentium 3 cartridges (each 1GHz), two SCSI hard drives and 1GB of SD-RAM (might even upgrade to 1.5 just because) Pics coming up soon!

 

[Mr.Scott]

FWIW, on the dual slot 1 boards, some boards do not require a terminator to run a single processor. Neither board that I own does. I think the terminator is only an OEM board requirement.

 

[Trekkie4]

*shrug* Who knows... I couldn't place the CPU in upper slot due to power supply blocking the CPU heatsink, so I had to improvise. But like I said, LCD screen reported the error & told me to check the Slot-1 bank A , so I had to find another Pentium 3 cartridge. Of course, in the end the entire system turned out to be dead, because it kept reporting the CPU Temp error, so I ended up salvaging few remaining components & giving it back to the owner The other unit however is fully operational & has two processors in place, so I don't have to use the terminators.