AMD's Upcoming RX Vega Card Pictures Surface

[EarthDog]

R2 920x, ehh....?

 

[ensabrenoir]

....clearly from the pictures alone....we should gather nothing from this....

 

[Super XP]

That was just for RX 500 series. Vega is RX Vega. Meaning it's a separate thing. Although, I don't mind 1 week release delay if that means it'll be better experience from the start. We've waited for it so long, why not 1 more week, right? Still being very optimistic...

Seems to me AMD wants to release the Rebrands 1st, then the Actual Vega card.

Also people shouldn't Underestimate VEGA. This card will surely defeat the 1080ti with EASE. Check out the VEGA Architecture.

High Bandwidth Memory Controller & Memory sub system. Etc., complete overhaul. VEGA probably has only 10% of Fury X inside it the 90%. Is NEW.

 

[oxidized]

This card will surely defeat the 1080ti with EASE

I hope you're right sir, but i'll be saving this, never forget to keep your expectations low especially when AMD is in the context

 

[MxPhenom 216]

LMAO it would be stronger than the 1080 Ti:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1080_Ti_Strix_OC/29.html


https://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1080_Ti_Strix_OC/images/perfrel_1920_1080.png
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1080_Ti_Strix_OC/images/perfrel_1920_1080.png

It wont be three times stronger than the 470 though.

 

[EarthDog]

Seems to me AMD wants to release the Rebrands 1st, then the Actual Vega card.

Also people shouldn't Underestimate VEGA. This card will surely defeat the 1080ti with EASE. Check out the VEGA Architecture.

High Bandwidth Memory Controller & Memory sub system. Etc., complete overhaul. VEGA probably has only 10% of Fury X inside it the 90%. Is NEW.

yay.

Like that is needed 2560x1440 and below...where 99% of people game...

It should be a beast... but I don't think it will beat the 1080ti. Hoping it's closer to it than the 1080 though!

 

[Super XP]

I hope you're right sir, but i'll be saving this, never forget to keep your expectations low especially when AMD is in the context

That I fully agree with. AMD is well known to make its presentations look a lot better then the actual product released. But I have a strong feeling about this VEGA.

Perhaps this can shed some light on why I believe VEGA is going to be something out of the ordinary.

Based on AMD's comments, every single product AMD releases/released in 2017 and beyond will have Infinity Fabric. But its A LOT more than just a basic Interconnect. A LOT MORE>

AMD Infinity Fabric underpins everything they will make
http://semiaccurate.com/2017/01/19/amd-infinity-fabric-underpins-everything-will-make/

I also got this info from somebody online that seems to know a thing or two. But you never know really.
QUOTE:
VEGA is something that many don't seem to understand. It's going to revolutionize the PC Gaming industry. And Game Developers will fall in love with it. This info is just half of what we really know about this superior product.

VEGA GPU Architecture - New Design & Developer Friendly
Vega the World's most scalable GPU memory architecture.
* High Bandwidth Cache - Stream data directly on demand
* HIgh Bandwidth Controller - GPU never stops, never stops rendering (Adaptive, fine-grained data movement) (512TB Virtual Address Space)
* High Bandwidth Memory 2 - High end video memory performance
* New Programable Geommetry Pipeline - Over 2X peak throughput per clock
* New Generation Compute Engine - Double Precision Rate is Configurable (512 8-bit ops per clock, 256 16-bit ops per clock, 128 32-bit ops per clock)

Vega versus Polaris in a nut shell,
The new chip design allows for more concurrency in processing non-uniform graphics workloads. Previous designs potentially left large chunks of silicon idle when the GPU was processing smaller operations, bottlenecking the graphics system. The new NCU design though is meant to allow parts of the GPU to work on smaller operations when there is spare capacity, meaning that there shouldn’t be as many wasted, idle parts of the chip. Should benefit DirectX 12 and Vulkan based Games. ETC.,

 

[Super XP]

yay.

Like that is needed 2560x1440 and below...where 99% of people game...

It should be a beast... but I don't think it will beat the 1080ti. Hoping it's closer to it than the 1080 though!

I hope 1440p HD Monitors come down in price. I am looking for one with AMD's FreeSync. And they are Expensive, so much that I can find 4K monitors for cheaper lol. Then again, in Canada everything is well overpriced.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

LOL yeah and he acts like that wouldn't be impressive!


Furthermore, tt isn't just "2 x 470" either. It is rumored to be clocked ~35% faster, and it will have over double the bandwidth of the 470. Not to mention it is a completely new architecture for the first time in half a decade.

On paper it is at a minimum 2.5 - 3 x the 470.


That is, unless you consider the 1080 Ti just "2 x the 780 Ti".

Of course itll have over double the bandwidth of the 470. It will have HBM2, thats not hard to realize.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11002/the-amd-vega-gpu-architecture-teaser/4

To be sure, Vega is not a wholly new architecture – it is clearly a further refinement of GCN – but then this is exactly why GCN was designed to be able to evolve through refinements over a very long period of time.

Vega is still GCN. The only really new thing is the high bandwidth cache. That could make the GPU perform really well, but that remains to be seen till the card is out and tested. Will games have to be developed to use the HBC or not?

 

[oxidized]

That I fully agree with. AMD is well known to make its presentations look a lot better then the actual product released. But I have a strong feeling about this VEGA.

Perhaps this can shed some light on why I believe VEGA is going to be something out of the ordinary.

Based on AMD's comments, every single product AMD releases/released in 2017 and beyond will have Infinity Fabric. But its A LOT more than just a basic Interconnect. A LOT MORE>

All known things, but talking big doesn't work, doing big does, again, i hope you're right, but i'll keep my expectations pretty low, at least they can surprise me, which is always better to disappoint.

 

[Fluffmeister]

....clearly from the pictures alone....we should gather nothing from this....

Well it has a soul and a brain apparently.

AMD truly are going next gen.

 

[ensabrenoir]

Well it has a soul and a brain apparently.

AMD truly are going next gen.

....So if you put Vega in an x99 system ...Will it feel slighted and decide not to give it's all? Or will the joy of an all AMD system inspire it to achieve new heights...Amd ....Where have you taken us.......

 

[Super XP]

Of course itll have over double the bandwidth of the 470. It will have HBM2, thats not hard to realize.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11002/the-amd-vega-gpu-architecture-teaser/4



Vega is still GCN. The only really new thing is the high bandwidth cache. That could make the GPU perform really well, but that remains to be seen till the card is out and tested. Will games have to be developed to use the HBC or not?

GCN yes, but that was overhauled in a large way. And GCN was designed flexible, so it can be used & modified for many years to come. Lets not forget about the New Compute Units too. VEGA is more than that added Controller.

 

[RejZoR]

GCN yes, but that was overhauled in a large way. And GCN was designed flexible, so it can be used & modified for many years to come. Lets not forget about the New Compute Units too. VEGA is more than that added Controller.

People don't seem to understand that GCN hasn't been modified that much since introduction on Tahiti generation of GPU. It was just small upgrades paired with more shaders, more ROP's, more texture units and wider memory bus. With Vega, they are still keeping the principle, but they have dramatically upgraded both, pixel and vertex engine, the very basic unit that processes pixels and polygons. They've redesigned the pipeline of both, first one now uses tiled based rendering with clever Z rejection system which can now process 4x as many pixels per clock than last generation and second one has double polygon throughput of either Polaris or Fiji (they were not that specific to tell). And they pair all this with new larger HBM2 memory which now works as a fast cache together with system memory for basically unlimited available memory. If you have 32GB or 64GB of system RAM, graphic card will be able to utilize huge amount of it. Given today's needs, games don't even use 16GB, so the rest can be fully used for game textures. Do the math with that and compare it to 11GB of HARD LIMITED memory on GTX 1080Ti. Again, this is theory and we don't actually know how their system works exactly, but we do know it can work like this. And from demonstration of Mankind Divided running at max settings with just 2GB of VRAM given to the game, it was still perfectly smooth (where in reality, that just wouldn't be the case if that was all the memory game actually got). And last thing, the compute flexibility. Maybe not so interesting for gamers, though it can be utilized for physics and other game related computations, the compute units on Vega are more flexible now, providing even more raw compute power.

Now, please stand back and look at this. Does all this sound like a minor update to Polaris/Fiji or something huge? This IS huge. Fiji, while pretty advanced GPU was just a really beefed up Tonga core. It was just more of the same old. Vega will sport a similar shader configuration of 4096 units, but with EVERYTHING new around it. Just saying to all the skeptics what to take into consideration...

 

[the54thvoid]

Just because Vega contains new elements does not mean it will be super fast. What AMD are aiming for is efficiency. All those cores, 4096 of them, need to be able to operate at better power efficiency.
The target is excellent performance with far higher efficiency. Look at Ryzen for enlightenment. It's far better than BD, but it's not an Intel destroyer.

Time will tell.

 

[Super XP]

Ryzen beats Intel in almost every none gaming tasks. In Multi Threading, Ryzen is King. Intel needs 10-Cores / 20 Threads to match and/or beat Ryzen.

VEGA is for efficiency, but it's also for performance too. Which is why they showed a prototype beating the 1080 by a good margin. There was a reason why Nvidia released the 1080ti, because the prototype VEGA wasn't even at its complete potential.

But of course, time will tell. I just believe AMD will do VEGA right this time, because of Ryzen's success. Keep the positive momentum flowing.

 

[RejZoR]

Just because Vega contains new elements does not mean it will be super fast. What AMD are aiming for is efficiency. All those cores, 4096 of them, need to be able to operate at better power efficiency.
The target is excellent performance with far higher efficiency. Look at Ryzen for enlightenment. It's far better than BD, but it's not an Intel destroyer.

Time will tell.

Ryzen destroys everything but 7700k because of it's raw clock. So, that's where you're already wrong kiddo...

 

[the54thvoid]

Ryzen destroys everything but 7700k because of it's raw clock. So, that's where you're already wrong kiddo...

Ah, blind hyperbolic trash.

Btw, I've bought a 1700X, I'm not a hater.

 

[BiggieShady]

Hoping it's closer to it than the 1080 though!

We can look at single game demoed on Vega, DOOM which is the best case scenario for AMD with 13% better performance than in other titles (perf summary avg relative to 1800Ti) ... if we normalize the results with that 13% bias, it sits between 1080 and 1080 Ti and it does seems closer to 1080 Ti

 

[RejZoR]

Ah, blind hyperbolic trash.

Btw, I've bought a 1700X, I'm not a hater.

"blind hyperbolic trash"

Sure mate, a CPU that costs less than half the price of equally performing Intel and only marginally loses to insanely clocked 7700k in games is not a definition of destruction. How!?

Btw, I own Intel, I'm not a fanboy.

 

[Super XP]

Ryzen destroys everything but 7700k because of it's raw clock. So, that's where you're already wrong kiddo...

Ryzen blows that 7700K into the dust in Multitasking. That's a known fact. Excluding Gaming. But as soon as you GAME at 1440p, Ryzen is on par with the 7700K.

 

[RejZoR]

And even at 1080p, both CPU's push framerates so high it doesn't even matter if Ryzen has 20fps less when both push out like 100+ fps... Like, who cares at that point!?

 

[Super XP]

And even at 1080p, both CPU's push framerates so high it doesn't even matter if Ryzen has 20fps less when both push out like 100+ fps... Like, who cares at that point!?

Agreed. This is why I don't get why people claim Ryzen is garbage in PC Gaming. Lol, not on this site, but everywhere else. We should be thanking AMD for fair prices and fair competition.

There was one interesting saying that someone mentioned about Ryzen. Could have been a reviewer, don't remember, but they called Ryzen a Everything CPU.

 

[Th3pwn3r]

A low quality picture of a laptop displaying low quality shots of the card.

Can we go deeper?

WHOOOOOMMPPHHH

DIMINISH!(Instead of ENHANCE!)

 

[EarthDog]

And even at 1080p, both CPU's push framerates so high it doesn't even matter if Ryzen has 20fps less when both push out like 100+ fps... Like, who cares at that point!?

Depends on the title...(makes more of a difference with games that are tougher on the gpu/lower fps) but the single digit percent difference isn't much...

...that said, it's still a difference. If you mainly game, and don't need the cores, z270 costs the same or cheaper than the 8 cores...it's also currently stable out of the box. Why spend more if you aren't using more than 8 threads?