AMD's RX Vega Low Key Budapest Event: Vega Pitted Against GTX 1080

[EarthDog]

440w and 1080 performance...

 

[bug]

440w and 1080 performance...

Not each and every design is a winner. But in this instance it looks like we'd get better performance if we allowed Polaris to draw that much power. Oh well, the wait is almost over, we should have our answers soon.

 

[Fluffmeister]

It does increasing look like Vega is going to be a turkey.

Look forward to the reviews, when are they due?

 

[Crap Daddy]

Well I truly believe that no-one wants that scenario - "go home AMD, you're done", not even the most green-faced Nvidia fanboys/die-hards, what then, leaving Nvidia without competition?!

Of course not. The correct phrase would be "Go home AMD, you're drunk" Sober up and come back with something good. Like Ryzen. As for competition, there's none at the high-end level since a few good years now, it's just getting worse.

 

[rtwjunkie]

This is the new normal It seems most companies are releasing products ahead of reviews these days, and they're trying hard to control the message. Not just AMD but Intel is doing it too and Nvidia did it.

The old days of companies giving review sites products to review before launch is over.

Its going to be hard for AMD and Vega, Im sure Nvidia is sitting on new cards, ready for an answer to vega launch. I hope AMD planned ahead.

It's not just the hardware manufacturers either. Many games are going the same route: release, then review.

 

[RejZoR]

440w and 1080 performance...

GeForce FX was hot and power hungry, but it generally had ok framerate in things that weren't DX9. It sold well anyway. Fermi was hot and power hungry. Still had somewhat decent framerate as well. Still sold. But when AMD pulls the same thing, OH MAH GOD, AMD IS GARBAGE OMG OMG OMG. Like, c'mon, are people all 5 years old?

 

[EarthDog]

GeForce FX was hot and power hungry, but it generally had ok framerate in things that weren't DX9. It sold well anyway. Fermi was hot and power hungry. Still had somewhat decent framerate as well. Still sold. But when AMD pulls the same thing, OH MAH GOD, AMD IS GARBAGE OMG OMG OMG. Like, c'mon, are people all 5 years old?

Lol, people complained back then too about it..wth are you talking about?? To that end, it actually beat out whatever it was competing against from ati at the time, didnt it? It also wasnt 440W worth of single gpu either. 250w tdp vs 375W. This is a record afaik for a single gpu tdp a full 50% more power for less performance (1080ti and rx vega xtx). Put it up against the 1080 which it appears to compete with, and that becomes 180w vs 375w.

Nobody is saying its garbage, its going to have to compete on price again since performance right now has it on par with a 1080 and power to performamce is abhorrent.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Harsh words.
Remember, AMD doesn't have infinite resource (neither does anyone else) and they covered a lot of ground with their CPUs in the past year. GPU division not keeping up isn't totally unexpected.

You're aware that the CPU's and GPU's are developed by two entirely different teams, spread between different locations, right? And if as you say, AMD has such limited resources, then maybe they should've spent them more wisely and maybe not made a bunch of marketing noise about a product that looks like it'll be a dud at best. The worst thing you can do in the tech industry is over promise and under deliver.

 

[Alejandrodg82]

If Vega costs more than $399, they may as well not bother.

Performance isn't what will sell the card, price is.

Offering similar levels of performance for Nvidia levels of money will accomplish nothing and will only sell to the AMD die-hards, which is a tiny percentage of the GPU market.

Price is the only trick card they can play, being so late to market, and if they don't play it, well....go home AMD, you're done.

Couldn´t agree more. Who is gonna buy this allegedly "power hungry" card, even when Volta is just arround the corner. If the price isn´t right, this is gonna be a mayor flop for them. It´s like they always have some caveat that pushes me away from their products.

I was about to buy a freeesync ultrawide (CF791) and hoping to put a Vega GPU. Between the flickering issues that have surfaced with freesync and this... It just makes me want to stay with nvidia and their damn expensive ecosystem, just to play it safe.

 

[bug]

You're aware that the CPU's and GPU's are developed by two entirely different teams, spread between different locations, right? And if as you say, AMD has such limited resources, then maybe they should've spent them more wisely and maybe not made a bunch of marketing noise about a product that looks like it'll be a dud at best. The worst thing you can do in the tech industry is over promise and under deliver.

I don't think they planned to underdeliver. But sometimes crap happens and without extra resources, you can't turn things around (i.e. run another silicon revision).

 

[the54thvoid]

GeForce FX was hot and power hungry, but it generally had ok framerate in things that weren't DX9. It sold well anyway. Fermi was hot and power hungry. Still had somewhat decent framerate as well. Still sold. But when AMD pulls the same thing, OH MAH GOD, AMD IS GARBAGE OMG OMG OMG. Like, c'mon, are people all 5 years old?

Like @EarthDog has said, people did mention it back then. AMD even created PR about how hot Fermi was. Everyone mocked the GTX480 for being hot and hungry. AMD people lapped it up. Hell, that's why I went with HD5850’s.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ati-ad-that-mocks-nvidia-fermi-spotted-on-youtube.html

 

[Anymal]

GeForce FX was hot and power hungry, but it generally had ok framerate in things that weren't DX9. It sold well anyway. Fermi was hot and power hungry. Still had somewhat decent framerate as well. Still sold. But when AMD pulls the same thing, OH MAH GOD, AMD IS GARBAGE OMG OMG OMG. Like, c'mon, are people all 5 years old?

Dang, you are the AMD Fanboy.

 

[Dimi]

Couldn´t agree more. Who is gonna buy this allegedly "power hungry" card, even when Volta is just arround the corner. If the price isn´t right, this is gonna be a mayor flop for them. It´s like they always have some caveat that pushes me away from their products.

I was about to buy a freeesync ultrawide (CF791) and hoping to put a Vega GPU. Between the flickering issues that have surfaced with freesync and this... It just makes me want to stay with nvidia and their damn expensive ecosystem, just to play it safe.

Buy the Dell S2417DG you can get it on amazon for 399 atm, i've seen it as low as 350. 165hz 1440p G-Sync monitor.

Its incredible and worth every penny. Coming from an IPS panel, i can't even tell this is a TN panel.

 

[okidna]

Like @EarthDog has said, people did mention it back then. AMD even created PR about how hot Fermi was. Everyone mocked the GTX480 for being hot and hungry. AMD people lapped it up. Hell, that's why I went with HD5850’s.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ati-ad-that-mocks-nvidia-fermi-spotted-on-youtube.html

And don't forget about dozen of videos cooking egg with GTX 480

 

[bug]

Like @EarthDog has said, people did mention it back then. AMD even created PR about how hot Fermi was. Everyone mocked the GTX480 for being hot and hungry. AMD people lapped it up. Hell, that's why I went with HD5850’s.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ati-ad-that-mocks-nvidia-fermi-spotted-on-youtube.html

And even so, those part weren't offering the performance of previous generation's ATI parts. Though the FX series tended to suck across the board.

Buy the Dell S2417DG you can get it on amazon for 399 atm, i've seen it as low as 350. 165hz 1440p G-Sync monitor.

Its incredible and worth every penny. Coming from an IPS panel, i can't even tell this is a TN panel.

You have to be blind to not be able to tell TN Film from IPS. TN Film changes contrast as soon as you move up or down in your chair. Also, IPS glows.

 

[EarthDog]

MEH, he won't respond. Too busy trying to get that foot out of his mouth he swallowed whole.

 

[Dimi]

You have to be blind to not be able to tell TN Film from IPS. TN Film changes contrast as soon as you move up or down in your chair. Also, IPS glows.

Look up some reviews, you'll find that more people share my opinion. I have another TN panel next to the S2417DG and it looks miles worse than my new one.

But sure, if you wanna be an ips elitist, you pay the price plus all the other major issues it brings with it. No thanks.

 

[Gasaraki]

it is just sad... sad that we must wait for 1.5 years (since gtx 10XX) to get this -100$(maybe) cheaper product from competitor, so nvidia will level down those -99$ for their 1.5 year old GPU's and wont haste to release next gen - because there is nothing in market that challanges nvidias market share. and the fact that these 2 year cycles with baerly no price cuts in betwean is in time frame when 4K or 120fps+ gaming monitor prices are really low and affordable is really sad

Not really 1.5 years yet but I get your point. This is why nVidia stocks are through the roof and AMD's are in the poopers.

 

[r9]

I really really wanted amd to do well, but rx vega is the worst thing they or every one else ever released period. Huge chip expensive as f#&$ to produce, not to mention expensive as f$#_ memory and the cherry on top that ridiculous power draw. If I was Amd I would save my self a lot of embarrassment and never release Vega.

 

[Gasaraki]

Harsh words.
Remember, AMD doesn't have infinite resource (neither does anyone else) and they covered a lot of ground with their CPUs in the past year. GPU division not keeping up isn't totally unexpected.

That is just an excuse people make every time. Remember before AMD, ATi was their own company. The AMD graphics department (ATi) is separate from the cpu department. They are not sharing resources or fab or anything.

 

[bug]

Look up some reviews, you'll find that more people share my opinion. I have another TN panel next to the S2417DG and it looks miles worse than my new one.

But sure, if you wanna be an ips elitist, you pay the price plus all the other major issues it brings with it. No thanks.

Ok, made me look.

Tom's Hardware:

A 24-inch TN panel of this quality can almost fool you into thinking you're looking at an IPS panel, until you move past 45° off-axis. There you’ll see the expected green color shift and 50-60% light falloff. From the top, detail is reduced significantly as well. However, at normal viewing distances and angles, the S2417DG is one of the better TN monitors we’ve seen. When gaming, we didn’t notice a problem, and we didn’t pine for an IPS screen.

PC Monitors:

Due to the viewing angle limitations, we will not be providing analysis of colour temperature variation using the colorimeter. The perceived variations here due to these viewing-angle related shifts can largely counteract measured deviations, even when you’re simply observing different sections of the screen from a normal viewing angle.

Neither seem to be thinking they were looking at an IPS and I couldn't find other reviews yet.

 

[noname00]

Maybe AMD hoped the HBM2 price would be lower by now, and the high price of HBM2 is one of the reasons the card was delayed so much.

Between the high price of HBM2 (actually high price of ram memory in general) and high power consumption, I don't see how AMD will make a decent profit from Vega if it won't be at least as fast as a 1080ti.

 

[dozenfury]

Based on AMD's recent history and what has dribbled out, I'm assuming the Vega ends up slightly faster than the 1070 but a bit slower than the 1080. That would be fair price/performance for $399 especially if there is a little headroom for improvement with driver optimizations. That price is also assuming the mining price gouging starts to wind down.

 

[TheLostSwede]

You have to be blind to not be able to tell TN Film from IPS. TN Film changes contrast as soon as you move up or down in your chair. Also, IPS glows.

The latest generation of TN panels are actually not as bad as they used to be. See this review for example http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dell-s2417dg-24-inch-165hz-g-sync-gaming-monitor,4788-5.html
Also, not all IPS panels suffer badly from the glow, but some have a weird coating that makes it worse.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

Based on AMD's recent history and what has dribbled out, I'm assuming the Vega ends up slightly faster than the 1070 but a bit slower than the 1080. That would be fair price/performance for $399 especially if there is a little headroom for improvement with driver optimizations. That price is also assuming the mining price gouging starts to wind down.

"1075 ti" performance with driver updates, or probably even a "gtx 990" with its high power draw and heat outpuy. Better performance than a 1080, but also higher power draw and probably about the same fps/watt than/as a 980 ti. If games are well-optimized for vega and the drivers work properly, vega may end up being a bit of a dark horse in the lomg run, but that remains to be seen. 499 dollars would be a reasonable price tag IMO, especially if you factor in the money saved from a g-sync monitor. 300 dollars/euros less (depending on region) for the same performance seems like a good deal to me and even with a normal monitor, that does make 1080 performance a bit more accesible because of a 100 dollar saving. More than 500 dollars could be a tough sell.