Intel Readies Four 6-core "Coffee Lake" SKUs, Including Two Core i5

[birdie]

CL = Cannonlake
CFL = Coffee Lake

Rumours and “leaks” about CFL only really started to surface after July 2016.

When I wrote "CL" I actually meant Coffee Lake. I've totally forgotten that its proper abbreviation is CFL ;-) I beg your pardon for the confusion. And perhaps you're right about mid 2016, but if my memory serves me well I remember seeing such rumors long before that (by at least half a year).

Also Coffee Lake is a brand old SkyLake and Intel's new uArch is at least a year away - so I see no problem in releasing Coffee Lake parts so "early".

 

[Sandbo]

Finally Intel is growing more fingers than 4, still this is a bit late to stop AMD from taking a large part of its market.

I have been a fans of facts and thus buying ONLY Intel CPUs over almost the past decade.
My 7 year old Xeon-1235 (Sandy Bridge) workstation just got old enough and I decided to upgrade, the choice became so obvious that it has to be Threadripper.

-Supports ECC RAM out of the box, no need to beg for a server CPU that has a funny lock removed (well server chipset as well).
-Give 64 PCI-E lanes, go check Intel's.
-$999, just two months after the release of the Intel $999 Skylake-X 7900, AMD will totally claim the champion of performance

 

[cdawall]

But not THAT significantly and real cooling requirements differ quite a bit (mostly negatively) often times with Intel cpu's. Ryzen cpu's actually can make do with crappy 65W/95W tdp coolers without throttling. Intel cpu's often can't. Interesting isn't it?

Intel and AMD rate their products differently. The cooler provided by Intel is substantially smaller than the one provided by AMD for the same TDP rating.

Intel box coolers will happily maintain maximum non-boost settings 24/7 anything over that is turbo and is not calculated into tdp.

AMD box coolers are larger and they even went as far as to have the thermal sensor lie to the motherboard on the x series chips to keep the CPU in its boost bins longer. Their core throttling is also nothing short of Jim Keller's genius at work. Overall "TDP" in a stock chip is maintained quite well. You can really see the effects of this when you start turning AMD cool and quiet things off. Man that power consumption starts walking up...

My guess would be the attempt from amd is to provide a better gaming experience since they have the weaker performing cpu in that aspect. They will both easily throttle under the stock cooler and video rendering so that part is mute. This would be for anything not bundled with the wraith max cooler which is roughly equal to a hyper 212 (150w tdp)

 

[Deleted member 172152]

Intel and AMD rate their products differently. The cooler provided by Intel is substantially smaller than the one provided by AMD for the same TDP rating.

Intel box coolers will happily maintain maximum non-boost settings 24/7 anything over that is turbo and is not calculated into tdp.

AMD box coolers are larger and they even went as far as to have the thermal sensor lie to the motherboard on the x series chips to keep the CPU in its boost bins longer. Their core throttling is also nothing short of Jim Keller's genius at work. Overall "TDP" in a stock chip is maintained quite well. You can really see the effects of this when you start turning AMD cool and quiet things off. Man that power consumption starts walking up...

My guess would be the attempt from amd is to provide a better gaming experience since they have the weaker performing cpu in that aspect. They will both easily throttle under the stock cooler and video rendering so that part is mute. This would be for anything not bundled with the wraith max cooler which is roughly equal to a hyper 212 (150w tdp)

Yup

Depends and that boost thing is dumb on Intel's part and the bit about AMD is a bit vague

(Ry)Zen 7( threadripper) actually performs similarly to Intel 8-core+ nowadays, so Intel is only partially better for gaming and the wraith spire can cool a r7 cpu at 3.9-4ghz on all cores, so it won't throttle stock.

 

[cdawall]

Yup

Depends and that boost thing is dumb on Intel's part and the bit about AMD is a bit vague

(Ry)Zen 7( threadripper) actually performs similarly to Intel 8-core+ nowadays, so Intel is only partially better for gaming and the wraith spire can cool a r7 cpu at 3.9-4ghz on all cores, so it won't throttle stock.

Spire cooler throttle over 3.7ghz on all cores in anything heavy.

Cross core latency unless you have a good 3200mhz ram kit leaves a lot to be wanted from Ryzen. Performance is not like an 8 core Intel in games a multitude of reviews show them lagging behind.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

Spire cooler throttle over 3.7ghz on all cores in anything heavy.

Cross core latency unless you have a good 3200mhz ram kit leaves a lot to be wanted from Ryzen. Performance is not like an 8 core Intel in games a multitude of reviews show them lagging behind.

Reviews that are many months old now generally. Just look at hardware unboxed's latest video. Unless you really want that one extra frame a second, ryzen isn't really worse at 1080p and 1440p is a better choice nowadays anyway. 1600 4ghz was also similar to a 7800x oc-ed. Only competitive 1080p players MIGHT have a use for skylake-x in gaming.

 

[Captain_Tom]

Reviews that are many months old now generally. Just look at hardware unboxed's latest video. Unless you really want that one extra frame a second, ryzen isn't really worse at 1080p and 1440p is a better choice nowadays anyway. 1600 4ghz was also similar to a 7800x oc-ed. Only competitive 1080p players MIGHT have a use for skylake-x in gaming.

Except they should be using Kabylake @ 5.2GHz if they are professional gamers.

The fact is that the only CPU with any real advantage now is the i7-7700K with extreme cooling at 5GHz+, and only for 200Hz 1080p gaming. Literally any other situation is better covered by an AMD cpu. In fact Skylake-X has lower IPC than both Kabylake/Broadwell and Zen, so it is a wholly useless product line-up.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

Btw, you'll need a 300 series mobo for coffee lake. Does anyone want to change their statement?!

 

[Slizzo]

Meh, Asus has lost its way IMO. I cant wait too see what AsRock and MSI have up their sleeve for Z370 motherboards.

I agree with this whole heartedly. Looks like ASUS has a growing issue with boot times before handing off to OS. Didn't know how terrible it was personally until I finally bought a board that wasn't ASUS (On a cheap-o MSI X99A Raider now).

 

[trparky]

And it's official... new motherboards for this new chip even if you already have a Socket LGA1151.

 

[Captain_Tom]

And it's official... new motherboards for this new chip even if you already have a Socket LGA1151.
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That would have been really nice if it could have been dropped into existing motherboards...

 

[cdawall]

Reviews that are many months old now generally. Just look at hardware unboxed's latest video. Unless you really want that one extra frame a second, ryzen isn't really worse at 1080p and 1440p is a better choice nowadays anyway. 1600 4ghz was also similar to a 7800x oc-ed. Only competitive 1080p players MIGHT have a use for skylake-x in gaming.

I still play with multiple ryzen systems across multiple brands and boards and every single company still has heavily limited ram compatibility issues that do not exist with skylake/kabylake. Ryzen performs worse by a decent margin at 1080P, when really pumping framerates it was also slower at 1440P. Just because the gap isn't massive does not excuse it. The piss poor chip clocking has a huge todo with this. If the core clocks were closer to intel then this would be a lot more mute of a point, if the ram clocked correctly, this would be a lot more mute, if the platform wasn't so finicky this would be a lot more mute. However the entire platform is pretty terrible as far as I am concerned, I have seen way too many issues already.

I await Threadripper diligently and hope the better binning for these chips allows a higher peak overclock even if it is limited by number of cores. Until then I have yet to have a chip that performs overall better than my years old 5960x@4.8.

 

[Prima.Vera]

So 6 is the new 4?
Why not 8?? Is intel going for another 10 years with 6 Cores only?

 

[Deleted member 172152]

I still play with multiple ryzen systems across multiple brands and boards and every single company still has heavily limited ram compatibility issues that do not exist with skylake/kabylake. Ryzen performs worse by a decent margin at 1080P, when really pumping framerates it was also slower at 1440P. Just because the gap isn't massive does not excuse it. The piss poor chip clocking has a huge todo with this. If the core clocks were closer to intel then this would be a lot more mute of a point, if the ram clocked correctly, this would be a lot more mute, if the platform wasn't so finicky this would be a lot more mute. However the entire platform is pretty terrible as far as I am concerned, I have seen way too many issues already.

I await Threadripper diligently and hope the better binning for these chips allows a higher peak overclock even if it is limited by number of cores. Until then I have yet to have a chip that performs overall better than my years old 5960x@4.8.

Bench scores+settings, core and memory clocks (screenshot). Untill then, the evidence tells a different story.

 

[cdawall]

Bench scores+settings, core and memory clocks (screenshot). Untill then, the evidence tells a different story.

What evidence, some online benchmarks from YouTube?

Out of curiosity how many Ryzen systems have you built and tweaked?

 

[Assimilator]

I await Threadripper diligently and hope the better binning for these chips allows a higher peak overclock even if it is limited by number of cores. Until then I have yet to have a chip that performs overall better than my years old 5960x@4.8.

I'm waiting for the Ryzen 2 platform. Not only will AMD have had the chance to mature the silicon and AGESA to a stable state, which should fix most of the compatibility issues, they will hopefully also add some more PCIe lanes to their horribly crippled chipset. Seriously, 8x PCIe 2.0 lanes on the "highest-end" X370 - when Intel Z270 has up to 24 PCIe 3.0 lanes - is a bloody joke.

But Ryzen 2 is apparently only launching in 2019, and I need a new system long before then, so Coffee Lake/Z370 is probably what I'm gonna go for. Despite my desire to support AMD's new CPU, the Ryzen platform as a whole is still too immature and feature-limited. Threadripper's 60 PCIe lanes are tempting, but that platform is also likely to have bugs, plus it's hella expensive. I may just end up going for KBL-X + X299 and dropping in a newer, cheaper, higher-core-count CPU as time goes by.

Bench scores+settings, core and memory clocks (screenshot). Untill then, the evidence tells a different story.

LOL, the evidence is in literally any review of a Ryzen motherboard on the Internet. If you can find one that doesn't mention memory compatibility issues, you have a case; until then, stop trolling.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

I'm waiting for the Ryzen 2 platform. Not only will AMD have had the chance to mature the silicon and AGESA to a stable state, which should fix most of the compatibility issues, they will hopefully also add some more PCIe lanes to their horribly crippled chipset. Seriously, 8x PCIe 2.0 lanes on the "highest-end" X370 - when Intel Z270 has up to 24 PCIe 3.0 lanes - is a bloody joke.

But Ryzen 2 is apparently only launching in 2019, and I need a new system long before then, so Coffee Lake/Z370 is probably what I'm gonna go for. Despite my desire to support AMD's new CPU, the Ryzen platform as a whole is still too immature and feature-limited. Threadripper's 60 PCIe lanes are tempting, but that platform is also likely to have bugs, plus it's hella expensive. I may just end up going for KBL-X + X299 and dropping in a newer, cheaper, higher-core-count CPU as time goes by.



LOL, the evidence is in literally any review of a Ryzen motherboard on the Internet. If you can find one that doesn't mention memory compatibility issues, you have a case; until then, stop trolling.

I wasn't talking about memory compatibility. Check the context. Untill then, stop trolling!

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

So Intel remains Intel...new socket for Coffee Lake, I guess this move is to keep the price point for the Kaby Lake

 

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So Intel remains Intel...new socket for Coffee Lake, I guess this move is to keep the price point for the Kaby Lake

Tbh, if you're on Skylake or Kaby Lake already, upgrading to Coffee Lake makes little sense regardless of the motherboard. Hell, I've upgraded from Sandy Bridge to Skylake and the biggest gain was... the motherboard.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

forgot the 6c/12t part?!

 

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forgot the 6c/12t part?!

No, I just don't see it as reason enough to upgrade. It's unlikely your needs are not satisfied by an 8T Kaby Lake, but a 12T Coffee Lake will do. If your typical usage needs threads, you're more likely to go for AMD instead.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

No, I just don't see it as reason enough to upgrade. It's unlikely your needs are not satisfied by an 8T Kaby Lake, but a 12T Coffee Lake will do. If your typical usage needs threads, you're more likely to go for AMD instead.

going AMD would mean to change platforms...that would not be great. it would've been way better if these CPU's would work with the 200 series mb's

 

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going AMD would mean to change platforms...that would not be great. it would've been way better if these CPU's would work with the 200 series mb's

Your circular reasoning is complete now.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

Your circular reasoning is complete now.

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[Deleted member 172152]

For everyone interested,threadripper supports 3600mhz quadchannel 32GB RAM with an aorus gaming 7! Turns out that mobo also has wifi+BT4.2, btw.

Coffeelake is lucking like a clusterf***. Z370 up to 6 cores, but not z270, so you need a new mobo anyway for the 6-cores AND new 300 series mobos that do NOT support old cpu's! That's going to confuse many people.