GPU HSF too heavy... sagging GPU! [SOLVED]

Kanan · Aug 22, 2017

cdawall said:
This is normal for that card. Shit design with no backplate

But it has a backplate. It just doesn't seem to help. :laugh:

The build quality of this one is sub level.

cdawall · Aug 22, 2017

Kanan said:
But it has a backplate. It just doesn't seem to help. The build quality of this one is sub level.

I have had three of these that isn't a backplate. More of a black sheet of paper there for looks

Kanan · Aug 22, 2017

I know it's almost useless in this case but it's called a "backplate" nonetheless.

Edit: do they sag like this as well?

uuuaaaaaa · Aug 22, 2017

@fusseli Allow me to suggest something like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Emperors-Ma...038150&hash=item3f8323747c:g:giMAAOSwEupZfV9k

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PCI-Side-Blown-Graphics-Card-Mount-Cooling-Fan-Bracket-For-North-South-Bridge/291888748885?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

Something like this will elegantly solve your issues,
Best regards

silentbogo · Aug 22, 2017

Well, it does seem to have a misformed backplate in addition to crazy sag... Are you missing some screws there, bud?
Check it, and if all screws are in place - tighten the damn thing. It looks like it's in pain.
In regards to sag - wooden block, legos, hang it by the PCIe power cable(did it on my old card).

qubit · Aug 22, 2017

rtwjunkie said:
That said, using a clear zip tie attached to something above it, or something like a drinking straw cut to length below it to support it are both cheaper but effective solutions

I do like these jerry rigged solutions.

The tie wrap sounds like the most secure one.

GreiverBlade · Aug 22, 2017

eidairaman1 said:
Looks like the mobo alignment with the case is off

exactly my thought after the bigger pics ... the slot are heavily misaligned, no way a DCUII (Strix in that case ) is that heavy and i see literally no bend ...

i had two GTX 580Ti Matrix Platinum (who are heavier than that featherweight 970) and these weren't even sagging, well they had backplate, but so does that 970

(my 1070 Armor does not have a backplate :cry:

it has a front plate tho

)
nor did my GTX 980 Poseidon (and that hybrid air water cooler was also heavier than the 970 you have )

fusseli said:
More pics for the flat-earthers

View attachment 91292 View attachment 91293

yep totally misaligned ... pfahahaha

Kanan said:
Yeah I'm kinda disappointed of the cooler, or Asus as well. These are premium products supposed to be of high quality. At least my DCU II 780 Ti didn't sag for almost 3 years, but it was a 700$ product as well.

pfahahaha ... errr actually the GPU of the OP is not sagging at all ... the front (front side of the case) is at level and it's the bracket that is pushed up

(actually it make me wonder how that wasn't noticed during build .... because if it was sagging with an angle like that, the PCIeX slot would likely to be broken... and it seems clearly not.)

eidairaman1 said:
Go find a gpu bolster or make 1, then once you replace that card buy a card with plate, i would also suggest loosening the mobo screws and ensure the gpu and board line up properly in the case, then tighten them down

that card already has a plate

MrGenius said:
"Too heavy"?

More like PEBKAC.

actually ... for once i agree on that abbreviation ...

Toothless · Aug 22, 2017

Crooked board and saggy card. Sounds like there needs to be some downtime for that rig.

GreiverBlade · Aug 22, 2017

Toothless said:
Crooked board and saggy card. Sounds like there needs to be some downtime for that rig.

not even remotely saggy ... look the pics closer (specially the "proof" of sagging with a bubble level ... which show something else than a sagging ... unless the OP never saw a card sagging, it's not even possible to mistake it for it, the only card i had sagging in one of my rig was a 8800 Ultra with a Prolimatech MK-26 and no BP ... ) and the board seems fine .... because at that angle the slot would have been ripped off or seriously shifted (unlikely since it would mean the solder would have broke and the slot would not work anymore )

it's the case and mobo slot that are misaligned you can clearly see the card being lifted up at the I/O bracket and being straight at the other end ... initial building error (not a mandatory user fault, probably a weird issue with the case of the mobo. )

if it was sagging like on that pics

the shift in yellow would not be like that and continue the slight sagging (nothing to worry the back is almost normal ) on the back, tho the OP definitely have an issue ... but not the one he thinks ... (weight)

DRDNA · Aug 22, 2017

if that rig came to me to get fixed; The first thing I would do is mount what appears to be a crooked mounted mobo to a straight mounted mobo and then I would go from there. Now this opinion is from the pics and thats that.

GreiverBlade · Aug 22, 2017

DRDNA said:
if that rig came to me to get fixed; The first thing I would do is mount what appears to be a crooked mounted mobo to a straight mounted mobo and then I would go from there. Now this opinion is from the pics and thats that.

yep it's likely that the mobo has been mounted shifted ... either from the beginning or had slowly shifted over time (unless it's the case that is totally weird, i.e.: the PCIeX slots alignement/space )

rofl re inspecting that one ... just think the card is really not in the right slots ... the mobo does not seems crooked

need to put the bracket in the blue spot instead of the red (simply changing top-down down-with the one under)

(i wonder if he did notice that his soundcard is ... "sagging in reverse" ... :laugh:

)

it seems doing so .... will correct the issue (well at last, now i know Asus is not to blame :roll:

)

blobster21 · Aug 22, 2017

ouch. That's the first card i see with such a bad case of scoliosis. Worse than me actually, that's to say !

niko084 · Aug 22, 2017

What would be really easy there would be to pull the pci-e power cable up next to your 24pin cable and zip tie them together giving a bit of lift from your power plug.
Of course there are a dozen other ways to resolve this, it's common and generally doesn't cause an issue.

--- on second look you may want to verify it's properly installed...

cdawall · Aug 22, 2017

Kanan said:
I know it's almost useless in this case but it's called a "backplate" nonetheless.

Edit: do they sag like this as well?

Yes you can't even run them in sli

Robert B · Aug 22, 2017

The motherboard is not fixed on at least two standoffs...the motherboard is not aligned properly as someone pointed before.

GreiverBlade · Aug 22, 2017

Robert B said:
The motherboard is not fixed on at least two standoffs...the motherboard is not aligned properly as someone pointed before.

actually .... i prefer my version ... since the soundcard is mostly fine ...

and the I/O panel seems to be fine also.

but yep missing screw is never good .... either for a mobo or for a human being

i just noticed but between the GPU and soundcard you have 2 PCIeX slot free and 3 case slot free ... it does not add properly

actually i really think my solution should be investigated by the OP (if he didn't already do it and refuse to give a feedback on the thread since it's a rather "dumb" problem in the end :laugh:

)

OneMoar · Aug 22, 2017

the whole motherboard is cockeyed

GreiverBlade · Aug 22, 2017

so yep .... the bracket is not in the correct position .... there is more free slot on the case than PCIeX slot, tho the motherboard shift, induced by an incorrect initial installation, is the culprit

Solaris17 · Aug 22, 2017

Papahyooie · Aug 22, 2017

Oh my lord, you're all frikken blind apparently. The graphics card is sagging... there is no misaligned motherboard, there is no extra slot on the case. Those are all artifacts created by the perspective. If you look at the entire picture rather than drawing lines on it (which is ridiculous in the first place, because the picture is tilted and therefore won't line up anyway) you'll see that there is a "slot" behind the card's cooler, (probably populated by a PCIE 1x, if anything at all) that makes the number of openings on the case match up. Furthermore, this proves that the card is sagging, because it's covering up that slot. The "backplate" starts to bend as soon as it comes out of the mount at the back of the case. From there, you can see that it sags down until the point at which the most weight is (eg, the center of the cooler) and then levels out again. The leveling out is due to the fact that nothing is pulling down on the back of the card, but rather the middle. Since nothing is holding up the back of the card, it remains straight. Whereas if there was something underneath the back of the card, you'd see it actually bend back upward.

You guys are making the mistake of looking at individual pieces of the picture, and comparing them to the border. This creates optical illusions because of the forced perspective. The picture is taken at an angle. It's skewed from side to side, top to bottom, AND front to back in 3D space.

The card is sagging people... There is no conspiracy here...

Toothless · Aug 22, 2017

Papahyooie said:
Oh my lord, you're all frikken blind apparently. The graphics card is sagging... there is no misaligned motherboard, there is no extra slot on the case. Those are all artifacts created by the perspective. If you look at the entire picture rather than drawing lines on it (which is ridiculous in the first place, because the picture is tilted and therefore won't line up anyway) you'll see that there is a "slot" behind the card's cooler, (probably populated by a PCIE 1x, if anything at all) that makes the number of openings on the case match up. Furthermore, this proves that the card is sagging, because it's covering up that slot. The "backplate" starts to bend as soon as it comes out of the mount at the back of the case. From there, you can see that it sags down until the point at which the most weight is (eg, the center of the cooler) and then levels out again. The leveling out is due to the fact that nothing is pulling down on the back of the card, but rather the middle. Since nothing is holding up the back of the card, it remains straight. Whereas if there was something underneath the back of the card, you'd see it actually bend back upward.

You guys are making the mistake of looking at individual pieces of the picture, and comparing them to the border. This creates optical illusions because of the forced perspective. The picture is taken at an angle. It's skewed from side to side, top to bottom, AND front to back in 3D space.

The card is sagging people... There is no conspiracy here...

Thanks for the wall of text but just about everyone has said the obvious GPU sag already. Also the board does look a tad off but we probably need a straight picture for that.

GreiverBlade · Aug 22, 2017

Papahyooie said:
Oh my lord, you're all frikken blind apparently. The graphics card is sagging... there is no misaligned motherboard, there is no extra slot on the case. Those are all artifacts created by the perspective. If you look at the entire picture rather than drawing lines on it (which is ridiculous in the first place, because the picture is tilted and therefore won't line up anyway) you'll see that there is a "slot" behind the card's cooler, (probably populated by a PCIE 1x, if anything at all) that makes the number of openings on the case match up. Furthermore, this proves that the card is sagging, because it's covering up that slot. The "backplate" starts to bend as soon as it comes out of the mount at the back of the case. From there, you can see that it sags down until the point at which the most weight is (eg, the center of the cooler) and then levels out again. The leveling out is due to the fact that nothing is pulling down on the back of the card, but rather the middle. Since nothing is holding up the back of the card, it remains straight. Whereas if there was something underneath the back of the card, you'd see it actually bend back upward.

You guys are making the mistake of looking at individual pieces of the picture, and comparing them to the border. This creates optical illusions because of the forced perspective. The picture is taken at an angle. It's skewed from side to side, top to bottom, AND front to back in 3D space.

The card is sagging people... There is no conspiracy here...

nope ... you got all wrong ... look at the clues and revise your judgement
and look at the pics where i did the red cross .... it's not perspective .... 3 freaking slot on the case for 2 slot on the mobo .... i did the test live on my second rig and i arrive at the same effect ... missing some screw and miss-aligning the bracket ....
it's obvious the fault lies elsewhere than a typical sagging ...

Toothless said:
Thanks for the wall of text but just about everyone has said the obvious GPU sag already. Also the board does look a tad off but we probably need a straight picture for that.

actually not everybody ...

and inspecting logically the pics ... you see no sagging at all but the bracket being too high and lifting the card ... this is not sagging

specifically if the left side is higher than the center and the right side lower ... it's not sagging : sagging goes by left aligned with center and back droping down from center ....

Papahyooie · Aug 22, 2017

Toothless said:
Thanks for the wall of text but just about everyone has said the obvious GPU sag already. Also the board does look a tad off but we probably need a straight picture for that.

There is an entire page worth of posts here saying that the GPU isn't sagging, and that it's the motherboard being mounted incorrectly, or the card is bent upwards at the front as opposed to downwards at the back. I'm referring to them. I realize that GPU sag has been mentioned. That isn't my intent. I'm addressing the posts mentioned.

The motherboard looks crooked because of an optical illusion created by the sagging graphics card above, and the sound card below that is pushed up at the back (because of a USB header underneath, as I believe it was said by the OP earlier.) Sure, he should put some screws in the holes that don't have any, but the mobo is not crooked.

GreiverBlade said:
nope ... you got all wrong ... look at the clues and revise your judgement
and look at the pics where i did the red cross .... it's not perspective .... 3 freaking slot on the case for 2 slot on the mobo .... i did the test live on my second rig and i arrive at the same effect ... missing some screw and miss-aligning the bracket ....
it's obvious the fault lies elsewhere than a typical sagging ...

actually not everybody ...

and inspecting logically the pics ... you see no sagging at all but the bracket being too high and lifting the card ... this is not sagging

@Toothless see what I mean?

@GreiverBlade
I already addressed both points, if you'll read what I said. There are not two slots on the mobo matched to three on the back of the case... There are three spaces, but one is being obscured by the card. They match up just fine, you're just seeing the optical illusion.

As for your red cross, it's a faulty tool, because the picture's perspective, the case is not in line with the borders of the picture.

GreiverBlade · Aug 22, 2017

Papahyooie said:
There is an entire page worth of posts here saying that the GPU isn't sagging, and that it's the motherboard being mounted incorrectly, or the card is bent upwards at the front as opposed to downwards at the back. I'm referring to them. I realize that GPU sag has been mentioned. That isn't my intent. I'm addressing the posts mentioned.

The motherboard looks crooked because of an optical illusion created by the sagging graphics card above, and the sound card below that is pushed up at the back (because of a USB header underneath, as I believe it was said by the OP earlier.) Sure, he should put some screws in the holes that don't have any, but the mobo is not crooked.

do not say the OP is right when he isn't ... otherwise he will probably fail to see the real issue ....

actually the mobo might really be crooked (since the soundcard have the same issue but in reverse) ... it's the fixation of the GPU bracket that is offset to the upper holes.

Papahyooie said:
@GreiverBlade
I already addressed both points, if you'll read what I said. There are not two slots on the mobo matched to three on the back of the case... There are three spaces, but one is being obscured by the card. They match up just fine, you're just seeing the optical illusion.

As for your red cross, it's a faulty tool, because the picture's perspective, the case is not in line with the borders of the picture.

re read carefully then ... because i did read your post ... and still not retracting my observation and yep i know what are perspective error ...

GreiverBlade said:
i did the test live on my second rig and i arrive at the same effect ... missing some screw and miss-aligning the bracket ....

sagging : bending downward from center

being in a diagonal from edge to edge : show something else even a highly distorted perspective can't do that without extreme shot angle

AND FOR "THERE IS A SLOT HIDDEN" OBVIOUSLY YES! SINCE THE STRIX COOLER IS A 2.5 SLOT .... still 3 slot open for 2 slot free ... actually a CPU bracket cover 2 slot .... the one aligned to the PCB and the one under .... and if the slot is hidden by the cooler ... the lower half of the bracket should cover his slot .... and not the one above.... technically it's not the case here ...

95Viper · Aug 22, 2017

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To me, from this picture (which is at an angle), that looks like the backplate is twisted... and, the PCB is sagging.

Just to add, the space between the PCB and the backplate seem to coverge towards the end of the card... could be just the picture angle.

If the card looks good and is not damaged in any manner... just support it with some form of hanger or from the bottom with some form of pillar.

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GPU HSF too heavy... sagging GPU! [SOLVED]

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Storage	Nextorage NE1N 2TB ADATA SX8200PRO NVME 512GB, Intel 545s 500GBSSD, ADATA SU800 SSD, 3TB Spinner
Display(s)	LG Ultra Gear 32 1440p 165hz Dell 1440p 75hz
Case	Phanteks P300 /w 300A front panel conversion
Audio Device(s)	onboard
Power Supply	SeaSonic Focus+ Platinum 750W
Mouse	Kone burst Pro
Keyboard	SteelSeries Apex 7
Software	Windows 11 +startisallback

System Name	RogueOne
Processor	Xeon W9-3495x
Motherboard	ASUS w790E Sage SE
Cooling	SilverStone XE360-4677
Memory	128gb Gskill Zeta R5 DDR5 RDIMMs
Video Card(s)	MSI SUPRIM Liquid X 4090
Storage	1x 2TB WD SN850X \| 2x 8TB GAMMIX S70
Display(s)	49" Philips Evnia OLED (49M2C8900)
Case	Thermaltake Core P3 Pro Snow
Audio Device(s)	Moondrop S8's on schitt Gunnr
Power Supply	Seasonic Prime TX-1600
Mouse	Razer Viper mini signature edition (mercury white)
Keyboard	Monsgeek M3 Lavender, Moondrop Luna lights
VR HMD	Quest 3
Software	Windows 11 Pro Workstation
Benchmark Scores	I dont have time for that.

System Name	Gamer
Processor	AMD Ryzen 3700x
Motherboard	AsRock B550 Phantom Gaming ITX/AX
Memory	32GB
Video Card(s)	ASRock Radeon RX 6800 XT Phantom Gaming D
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P200A D-RGB
Power Supply	800w CM
Mouse	Corsair M65 Pro
Software	Windows 10 Pro