TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[Tomgang]

Quake III Arenma Demo001 test
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Do you really need 1.45 volt for just 4.2 ghz on that cpu?

Seems pretty high considered my cpu do 4.25 ghz at just 1.35 volts.

Careful with calling a 980X old hardware. I'm sure @Tomgang would likely be offended since he has a lot to say about staying put on the 980X.

Well, we cant avoid that X58 is from 2008 and by that x58 came out 9 years ago. So in hardware terms it's old.

But as terminator stated in the last movie: im old not obsolete and the same goes for x58.

I will not call this score from my own system obsolete just yet

 

[GreiverBlade]

But as terminator stated in the last movie: im old not obsolete and the same goes for x58.

oh BLOODY HELL! i was about to edit and write :

"nostalgic/old does not mean obsolete" .... but i averted ....

nice "telepathic" skills!

Well, we cant avoid that X58 is from 2008 and by that x58 came out 9 years ago. So in hardware terms it's old.

aye ... sure does ... which remind me i need to find a Nehalems/Bloomfield and probably a Westmere/Gulftown cpu for my CPU collection ...

 

[Tomgang]

oh BLOODY HELL! i was about to edit and write :

"nostalgic/old does not mean obsolete" .... but i averted ....

nice "telepathic" skills!


aye ... sure does ... which remind me i need to find a Nehalems/Bloomfield and probably a Westmere/Gulftown cpu for my CPU collection ...

Well i have been told i am al ways the right place at the right time. Some people are even scared of me for that

About nehalem/bloomfield. Had a i7 920 before i got my self a gluffy (my nickname for gulftown). But if only one of them. Deffently westmere/gulftown. They oc better and has more cores, so much more fun to screw around with.

 

[Athlonite]

Check out the socket 939 motherboard in the link:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAEEN6B84047

Can anyone spot the problem?

Bad Caps and layout

 

[agent_x007]

Do you really need 1.45 volt for just 4.2 ghz on that cpu?

Seems pretty high considered my cpu do 4.25 ghz at just 1.35 volts.

I wanted stability and went "Vcore happy".
CPU can take it, cooling as well (I didn't wanted to try my luck on OS that isn't exactly known to be stable on this platform)
Vcore testing will be done on newer OS (this only uses one core and one thread either way).
PS. I'm using Intel Extreme Cooling ("tower type" reference for 980X)

 

[Tomgang]

I wanted stability and went "Vcore happy".
CPU can take it, cooling as well (I didn't wanted to try my luck on OS that isn't exactly known to be stable on this platform)
Vcore testing will be done on newer OS (this only uses one core and one thread either way).
PS. I'm using Intel Extreme Cooling ("tower type" reference for 980X)

High voltage is a bad thing all the way. It degrades cpu faster, cooler has to work harder = more noise, cpu produce more heat with out more performence and your powerbill also will be higher cause a overvoltage cpu use more watt with give more performence.

Intels recomended operation voltage is max 1.375 volt by the way. Higher volt degrades its faster.

Its up to you, but there are benefits by getting voltage ajusted in properly.

Since you say newer os. I can confirm windows 10 runs great on x58, if thats your plan.

 

[GreiverBlade]

and your powerbill also will be higher

that's the weakest argument of all .... it's ultra negligible

just like saying "you will get a insane power bill if you get a R9 290 over a 980" (i owned both ... zylch, nada, kadchiq difference on the power bill with the same usage, and the 290 was heavily OC'ed )

High voltage is a bad thing all the way.

tho i agree to that.

It degrades cpu faster, cooler has to work harder = more noise, cpu produce more heat with out more performance

the cooler has to work harder well ... yep, that's the job of a cooler (not that it will have to work really harder) ... and i doubt a higher Vcore add a huge amount of °C .... (for my 920 i had only 3°C between fine tuned and overvolted ) degrade the CPU faster, again negligible (but true tho ... not quantifiable in years, months or even in weeks.)

Its up to you, but there are benefits by getting voltage ajusted in properly.

he already wrote about it

Vcore testing will be done on newer OS (this only uses one core and one thread either way).

fine tuning is already planed

PS. I'm using Intel Extreme Cooling ("tower type" reference for 980X)

uh... sorry ... but even the "extreme cooling" from Intel is not getting at the ankle of the lesser aftermarket cooler (like a Scythe Katana 4/Cooler Master Hyper TX3 or anything else above ) on my 920 i had a Thermalright IFX-14 dual TY-147 @1300rpm (virtually silent) and later a Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev.A B/W with a single TY-147 (still have my IFX-14 ... heck i paid 15$ for it ... not selling it ever ) for 50$ the Macho was golden.

 

[agent_x007]

he already wrote about it

fine tuning is already planed

uh... sorry ... but even the "extreme cooling" from Intel is not getting at the ankle of the lesser aftermarket cooler (like a Scythe Katana 4/Cooler Master Hyper TX3 or anything else above ) on my 920 i had a Thermalright IFX-14 dual TY-147 @1300rpm (virtually silent) and later a Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev.A B/W with a single TY-147 (still have my IFX-14 ... heck i paid 15$ for it ... not selling it ever ) for 50$ the Macho was golden.

I don't need 0,5kg (or a pound) of metal, to cool this :

https://valid.x86.fr/r1b3gy (check OS as to why Vcore is so... optimistic )
Don't worry guys, "I will get there"... eventually

I own Thermalright 120 Ultra Extreme, but it's mounted on Rampage Extreme (X48) and I don't want to remount it (lazy + no need for this).
I also own 120mm Delta fans to go along with it and Scythe Mugen 2 Rev.B as "backup" in case mounting will get damaged

 

[GreiverBlade]

I don't need 0,5kg (or a pound) of metal, to cool this :

https://valid.x86.fr/r1b3gy (check OS as to why Vcore is so... optimistic )
Don't worry guys, "I will get there"... eventually

I own Thermalright 120 Ultra Extreme, but it's mounted on Rampage Extreme (X48) and I don't want to remount it (lazy + no need for this).
I also own 120mm Delta fans to go along with it and Scythe Mugen 2 Rev.B as "backup" in case mounting will get damaged

i used my Katana 4 on 4.5 with the 920 the macho was just for ... well ... you know ...


the Mugen 2 Rev.B is more than a "backup" it's : "what it should be used, ftw!"

 

[agent_x007]

Maybe
But mounting Mugen 2 rev B, is a Real pain :/

 

[DooM3]

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[GreiverBlade]

Maybe
But mounting Mugen 2 rev B, is a Real pain :/

while the Macho or IFX were a breeze for me (i still have the 13" screwdriver bundled with the Macho, i forgot to repack it with when i sold the heatsink )

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ciao, è un forum internazionale, per una migliore comprensione reciproca, per favore scrivi in inglese

a proposito, è il filo hardware nostalgico, preferiamo immagini di vecchi hardware, non che abbiamo qualcosa contro schermate, ma beh, vorremmo vedere anche i computer e le parti

(also it concern @Tomgang and @agent_x007 .... bring out the pics of the hardware ... bench and CPU-Z screens are boring, without nostalgeek pr0n )

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Worlds first jet pack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Rocket_Belt

The test took place at the Bell plant on Buffalo’s Niagara Falls Boulevard opposite the airport.

Hal Graham was a 27-year-old science graduate who was totally inexperienced but also a huge rocket belt fan.

He was chosen as pilot by creator Wendell Moore after working as a test engineer for just over a year at the Bell Aircraft Company.

Moore had asked for a volunteer from the company after coming up with the concept, and Graham was quick to step forward.

The first flights took place in an aircraft hangar in March 1961.

After 36 flights tethered to the ground, Graham had his first untethered flight in April.

The front page of Life magazine said, ‘Graham was strapped to a hydrogen peroxide-fuelled rocket. The Army hopes it will someday make all foot soldiers look like Buck Rogers.’

 

[Tomgang]

while the Macho or IFX were a breeze for me (i still have the 13" screwdriver bundled with the Macho, i forgot to repack it with when i sold the heatsink )


ciao, è un forum internazionale, per una migliore comprensione reciproca, per favore scrivi in inglese

a proposito, è il filo hardware nostalgico, preferiamo immagini di vecchi hardware, non che abbiamo qualcosa contro schermate, ma beh, vorremmo vedere anche i computer e le parti

(also it concern @Tomgang and @agent_x007 .... bring out the pics of the hardware ... bench and CPU-Z screens are boring, without nostalgeek pr0n )

There is nothing special about my old pc and cable management cut be better. That case i have is from a time before cable management really got popular, so i have done it as great i cut do it. But if you insist, here´s a couple of pictures of my pc.

 

[GreiverBlade]

There is nothing special about my old pc and cable management cut be better. That case i have is from a time before cable management really got popular, so i have done it as great i cut do it. But if you insist, here´s a couple of pictures of my pc.

still sexy and that 1080Ti remind me when i paired a R9 290 with my dual S940 Opty rig

 

[Tomgang]

still sexy and that 1080Ti remind me when i paired a R9 290 with my dual S940 Opty rig

Despite how stupid it may sounds to combine the fastes single GPU out there (beside Titan XP) with 9 year old tech, it runs far better than i hoped for. Only 1080P is there sligt bottleneck in some games while games like Crysis 3 maxed out holds the GPU a 99 % load and as i move up to 2560 x 1600 or 4K the GPU becomes the bottleneck. At 4K CPU load drops significantly because the GPU becomes the bottleneck here for sure.

And any way who bay a 1080 TI to play 1080P, i dit not.

No matter what, i like how my pc runs games now. Its a blast with a combination of new and old tech in perfect harmony and the benchmark tells the same story.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Despite how stupid it may sounds to combine the fastes single GPU out there (beside Titan XP) with 9 year old tech, it runs far better than i hoped for. Only 1080P is there sligt bottleneck in some games while games like Crysis 3 maxed out holds the GPU a 99 % load and as i move up to 2560 x 1600 or 4K the GPU becomes the bottleneck. At 4K CPU load drops significantly because the GPU becomes the bottleneck here for sure.

And any way who bay a 1080 TI to play 1080P, i dit not.

No matter what, i like how my pc runs games now. Its a blast with a combination of new and old tech in perfect harmony and the benchmark tells the same story.

well i have a 1070 and i play 1080p (drat .... i am 10 short ... the 1080 is "the" 1080p card! naming scheme ftw!) tho i think of getting a 1440p screen later

my dual S940 + R9 290 was also kinda funny in benchies (tho a bit shy to say the less )

 

[Tomgang]

well i have a 1070 and i play 1080p (drat .... i am 10 short ... the 1080 is "the" 1080p card! naming scheme ftw!) tho i think of getting a 1440p screen later

my dual S940 + R9 290 was also kinda funny in benchies (tho a bit shy to say the less )

a 1070 shut be perfect for 1080P. If you want 1440P now, you can just use nvidia DSR. I use it for now until i can afford a real 4K screen and yes you can se difference between 1080P and 1440P/4K even on a 1080P screen with DSR.

 

[agent_x007]

Reference 7900 GTX I used is "boring"...
6800 GT with LEDs ?
Now THAT is 2017 worthy stuff

 

[agent_x007]

I did Quake III Arena... so let's try "the impossible" - Doom 3
...

I had to use R. Loew's memory patch to even get past Windows logo with this ammount of RAM.
FYI : 1GB of RAM worked fine with added HIMEMX and system.ini/config.sys tweaks, BUT my 2x512MB kit isn't even close to what I used in the end
Game was in v1.3 "cracked" form since there is Hex coding involved to get past "fabricated" Win98 error + noCD "patch", because I don't have a CD/DVD drive in this setup (no ATA/EIDE cables at all, I have floppy ribbon tho).
Just to be clear : I own original/legit/physical copy of the game (on 3x CD).

 

[Trekkie4]

Been working on loads of projects recently, but most of them are related to AMD... Bought a very cute & vintage-looking system (thinking it might even be Slot A inside), but instead it turned out to be yet another S462, running Duron @ 700Mhz. 128MB of SD-RAM, nVidia M64 graphics, so in other words nothing really exciting going on inside The only thing that surprised me was a fully working Asus DVD-RW drive, that's probably worth more than the entire system alone

But then it got me thinking... This thing has a huge potential, so why not turn it into something a lot more interesting ... need a hint?

Spoiler: HINT

I'm not going to lie, this thing had been a real PITA so far, and the motherboard inside turned out to be completely bulged, there was at least 10 caps bulging and/or leaking all over. So I wanted to swap the board for another one, except this other board turned out to be defective, or so I initially thought. It wouldn't want to boot and kept throwing random errors, locking & freezing all the time, so I pulled it back out & re-capped the old one, original DFI AK74-EC that came with this case. In fact, I've just finished re-capping the board earlier today, so (hopefully) I'm finally going to put it back together tomorrow!


But here's the thing, as I was picking parts from this other S462 board & getting ready to throw it into the bin, I've noticed that it actually has not ONE (as you'd expect), but two physical jumpers, one on the each side of the board for controlling the CPU's FSB. So all this time I've been fiddling with one jumper, where the 2nd one left open & was therefore pointing to 133 (266)Mhz instead of what was supposed to be for Athlon 750, and that's 100 (200)Mhz by default. And so to my surprise, once I set all the jumper caps in order, board booted up perfectly fine, so I'm guessing it wasn't damaged in any way, I hope...

Other than that, I've been working on yet another nVidia M64, that had to be repaired. It was missing a fan ever since the original one seized up & fell apart, so then I took the old one from one of the dead cards & soldered it directly into M64, since it wasn't compatible with its power connector. Not that I really need that much M64 cards, I got loads of better hardware laying around, but still it's a matter of principle. If it's repairable, it would be wrong to throw it away - regardless of the brand, model, manufacture date, etc.

Oh yeah, and I've also been messing around with optical drives... Took 3 of my previously-assembled retro systems apart & changed their optical drives to either match (if there's already two of them), upgraded them by adding 2nd unit (if there was only one) and/or replaced the only CD/DVD drive for one that has a play button on the front panel. Mainly just for that retro look, it's not like I'm going to play music or anything

 

[agent_x007]

What you will get when you fuse a DOS/XP PC with Windows 7/10 one ?
.
.
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This :

Hardware list :
Core i7 980X @ 4,3GHz
3x 4GB DDR3 12GB 1961MHz @ CL9.10.9.24 (Triple Channel)
GPU1 : Radeon X850 XT PE (PCIe)
GPU2 : GeForce GTX 780 Ti
SC1 : Aureal Vortex 2
SC2 : Auzen X-Fi Forte
HDD1 : Compact Flash 1GB (w/ATA adapter)
HDD2 : WD Raptor 74GB (2-nd gen w/TCQ)
HDD3 : WD RaptorX 150GB
HDD4 : Installed and "Classifield" (because I'm not done yet)

 

[uuuaaaaaa]

What you will get when you fuse a DOS/XP PC with Windows 7/10 one ?
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This :

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Hardware list :
Core i7 980X @ 4,3GHz
3x 4GB DDR3 12GB 1961MHz @ CL9.10.9.24 (Triple Channel)
GPU1 : Radeon X850 XT PE (PCIe)
GPU2 : GeForce GTX 780 Ti
SC1 : Aureal Vortex 2
SC2 : Auzen X-Fi Forte
HDD1 : Compact Flash 1GB (w/ATA adapter)
HDD2 : WD Raptor 74GB (2-nd gen w/TCQ)
HDD3 : WD RaptorX 150GB
HDD4 : Installed and "Classifield" (because I'm not done yet)

Cmon, you can do better... I mean look at my score with the AGP version of that card on a stock 3.4GHz Pentium 4 EE Gallatin (retro machine on system specs)

http://hwbot.org/submission/3324842_u3a6_3dmark03_radeon_x850_xt_agp_14458_marks

3d mark 2005 score (3742Mhz on the cpu):
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm05/5532432

 

[agent_x007]

Cmon, you can do better... I mean look at my score with the AGP version of that card on a stock 3.4GHz Pentium 4 EE Gallatin (retro machine on system specs)

http://hwbot.org/submission/3324842_u3a6_3dmark03_radeon_x850_xt_agp_14458_marks

3d mark 2005 score (3742Mhz on the cpu):
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm05/5532432

I could OC it (this score was on stock settings).
However :
1) I used Windows 98 SE (and those are WinXP scores you have), so get on my level
FYI : You can with Intel 875P chipset your board has.
2) Windows 98 SE sadly isn't compatible with 3DMark 05.

Other than that, I can't use Radeon X850 XT PE in XP because using both NV drivers and ATI drivers at the same time on XP is asking for trouble (and I will NOT even attempt to try it on this PC).
But, why should/would I ?
I simply use GTX 780 Ti as main card for WinXP

PS. Here's my '03 score for your card (X850 XT PE AGP) on WinXP but with PDC E5800 @ 4GHz (again no GPU OC) : https://www.3dmark.com/3dm03/6529164
And 3DMark 05 score (same configuration/settings) : https://www.3dmark.com/3dm05/5538870
After I get back home, I can upload screenshots if you are interested.

 

[Robert B]

Fresh meat !!!

Sadly the Cyrix CPUs are gone and I only found the heatsinks...