Xeon Owners Club

[FireFox]

temps are quite good now than before. isn't it?

Way better, what did you do?

 

[HUSKIE]

turned the cpu block into vertical position

 

[FireFox]

turned the cpu block into vertical position

Funny solution but at least it works now that you said that did you plug the tubes correctly?

 

[HUSKIE]

Yeap...

 

[FireFox]

 

[FireFox]

Before

After

Room temps 20c, Waterchiller's water temp 23.4c both Machines ( looped )

VRM's idle temp before 58c

VRM's idle temp after 29c

VRM's load temp before 92c

VRM's load temp after 36c

 

[FireFox]

Room temps 20c, Waterchiller's water temp 23.4c both Machines ( looped )

VRM's idle temp before 58c

VRM's idle temp after 29c

VRM's load temp before 92c

VRM's load temp after 36c

I don't know why but the VRM's temps won't go above 36 when running prime95 for 10 minutes, if temps are correct that means that there's a drop of 56c full load and 29c idle, anyway i will do the test once again but letting Prime95 run for at least 20 minutes.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Room temps 20c, Waterchiller's water temp 23.4c both Machines ( looped )

VRM's idle temp before 58c

VRM's idle temp after 29c

VRM's load temp before 92c

VRM's load temp after 36c

I don't know why but the VRM's temps won't go above 36 when running prime95 for 10 minutes, if temps are correct that means that there's a drop of 56c full load and 29c idle, anyway i will do the test once again but letting Prime95 run for at least 20 minutes.

Ohhh boy...that VRM really suffer before isn't it?

 

[FireFox]

Ohhh boy...that VRM really suffer before isn't it?

It didn't really have a cooled life before

 

[lyra]

my mate is just getting into PC gaming, he is gonna have a gtx 1060 so i think a clocked x5650 would be ideal for him, does anyone have any and an x58 motherboard going?

 

[Zyll Goliat]

my mate is just getting into PC gaming, he is gonna have a gtx 1060 so i think a clocked x5650 would be ideal for him, does anyone have any and an x58 motherboard going?

Well I guess it´s really depend....from where are you going to buy?Also Used mobo or New Chinese?

 

[Durvelle27]

Anybody have a 1366 Board they can part ways with

Got 2x W3540s I wouldn’t mind putting in use

 

[lyra]

Well I guess it´s really depend....from where are you going to buy?Also Used mobo or New Chinese?

Are the chinesium ones good enough? If they overclock good enough for just under air the i guess that would be an idea.

Ideally used though, just wondering what the people here had knocking around

Anybody have a 1366 Board they can part ways with

Got 2x W3540s I wouldn’t mind putting in use

Also i have an old HP ML350 g6 that you can have for 20 quid and postage. It has a dual 1366 sockets and everything. It needs a new power distribution backplane (i think) and a new set of fans but the motherboard and PSUs are all fine

 

[Norton]

@Durvelle27 @lyra - please refrain from discussing B/S/T transactions outside of the B/S/T forum section (only allowed in that section or in PM's)

 

[blibba]

my mate is just getting into PC gaming, he is gonna have a gtx 1060 so i think a clocked x5650 would be ideal for him, does anyone have any and an x58 motherboard going?

Unless he's already got the chip or he's into movie encoding, he'd be better off with an i3 from the last 5 years or a quad-core Xeon tbh.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Are the chinesium ones good enough? If they overclock good enough for just under air the i guess that would be an idea.

Ideally used though, just wondering what the people here had knocking around

Well....There is also this:"some Chinese mobo´s are better then other Chinese mobo´s".....here a good video about that subject

I personally will always go for some used good mobo´s then Chinese new but it´s seems that some of them works just fine......

 

[Regeneration]

I'm on X58 longer than anyone on this forum. You guys are doing it all wrong.

Here are a few tips:

1. Prioritize DDR frequency over timings. Aim for 2000 range and above. Westmere allows 1.5x uncore to DDR ratio... take advantage of that. Uncore 3600 = DDR 2400.
2. Push QPI link to the maximum (7.9 GT/s), it helps with graphics, etc.
3. BCLK 160-165 are best for stability… doesn't require VTT/IOH/ICH voltages boost.
4. QPI link should be higher then uncore.
5. Avoid QPI/VTT voltage above 1.3v. Degrades the entire chip faster, damages the IMC, causing silent data corruption.
6. Avoid temperature above 75c.
7. Uncore RTL values change on reboot. Take that in mind... sometimes you think your stable when your not. When you find uncore stable spot, reduce it by 20-30 MHz.

 

[FireFox]

5. Avoid QPI/VTT voltage above 1.3v.

3. BCLK 160-165 are best for stability… doesn't require VTT/IOH/ICH voltages boost.

Yeap those rules apply if you run at stock or not a high Overclock.

 

[Regeneration]

You can take my advice, or ignore it, but don't be suprised if one day in the future, all of the sudden, you'll get "Disk needs to be checked for consistency" message. I damaged several Xeon and i7 9xx chips in the past with VTT... silent data corruption is the worst thing ever... hard to diagnose.

And BTW, C-states aren't stable with BCLK 163 and above.

 

[Durvelle27]

I'm on X58 longer than anyone on this forum. You guys are doing it all wrong.

Here are a few tips:

1. Prioritize DDR frequency over timings. Aim for 2000 range and above. Westmere allows 1.5x uncore to DDR ratio... take advantage of that. Uncore 3600 = DDR 2400.
2. Push QPI link to the maximum (7.9 GT/s), it helps with graphics, etc.
3. BCLK 160-165 are best for stability… doesn't require VTT/IOH/ICH voltages boost.
4. QPI link should be higher then uncore.
5. Avoid QPI/VTT voltage above 1.3v. Degrades the entire chip faster, damages the IMC, causing silent data corruption.
6. Avoid temperature above 75c.
7. Uncore RTL values change on reboot. Take that in mind... sometimes you think your stable when your not. When you find uncore stable spot, reduce it by 20-30 MHz.

Had better results with much different parameters

 

[FireFox]

You can take my advice, or ignore it, but don't be suprised if one day in the future, all of the sudden, you'll get "Disk needs to be checked for consistency" message. I damaged several Xeon and i7 9xx chips in the past with VTT... silent data corruption is the worst thing ever... hard to diagnose.

And BTW, C-states aren't stable with BCLK 163 and above.

I am not saying that you are wrong, i really appreciate your advice, but as we know some Machines needs more VTT voltages than others, my X58 Machine with 1.30V VTT it crash/bsod or freeze, maybe it boots and it works for a few minutes or it doesn't post/boot at all forcing me to do a Cmos reset.

 

[Regeneration]

I am not saying that you are wrong, i really appreciate your advice, but as we know some Machines needs more VTT voltages than others, my X58 Machine with 1.30V VTT it crash/bsod or freeze, maybe it boots and it works for a few minutes or it doesn't post/boot at all forcing me to do a Cmos reset.

Uncore frequency, RTL values and high BCLK all require VTT voltage boost.

I've had a Xeon X5680's IMC that got degraded by 2% in less than a year EVEN with VTT 1.3v.

 

[FireFox]

Uncore frequency, RTL values and high BCLK all require VTT voltage boost.

Right.

I've had a Xeon X5680's IMC that got degraded by 2% in less than a year EVEN with VTT 1.3v.

Was it overclocked?

2% degraded in less than one year and as you said VTT1.30V for sure that wasnt the VTT voltage but something else.

Edit: Sometimes it depends on the chip.

 

[Regeneration]

Was it overclocked?

2% degraded in less than one year and as you said VTT1.30V for sure that wasnt the VTT voltage but something else.

Yes, to the 4+ GHz range.

After a year, application errors appeared on the system, Kernel WHEA errors in the event log. At first, I thought its vcore, but after crashing Prime95 512K, I had to reduce the uncore from 3465 to 3400 to remain stable at 1.3v.

I've had other chips that degraded quickly using high VTT. A very few even that were damaged, causing silent data corruption on the HDD every few weeks.

I'm just saying... VTT kills...

 

[FireFox]

I'm just saying... VTT kills...

For sure.

Yes, to the 4+ GHz range.

After a year, application errors appeared on the system, Kernel WHEA errors in the event log. At first, I thought its vcore, but after crashing Prime95 512K, I had to reduce the uncore from 3465 to 3400 to remain stable at 1.3v.

I've had other chips that degraded quickly using high VTT. A very few even that were damaged, causing silent data corruption on the HDD every few weeks.

I have 3 X58 Machines:

1 - Evga SR-2 CLASSIFIED paired with 2 X X5675 4.5GHz 1.34V.

2 - Evga SR-2 CLASSIFIED paired with 2 X X5677 4.5GHz 1.34V

So far none of the two has shown sign of degradation.

Built a month ago:

Evga X58 Classified 3 paired with a X5690 4.7GHz 1.44V+ so far everything is working perfectly.