Xeon Owners Club

[Edwired]

Cool i keep using it every day all i need to do is tweak the ram timings to get more gogo juice out of it

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Just for fun I thought i would have a look to see what scores the same as me in R 15


X 5670
http://hwbot.org/submission/3095126_capslockstuck_cinebench___r15_xeon_x5670_1035_cb/

i5 7600k
https://hwbot.org/submission/3549703_nachtfalke_cinebench___r15_core_i5_7600k_1035_cb/

 

[er557]

Well every just pointing out a test on the intel diagnostic tool it failed spbc even had a read in the result in a text pad it states my xeon E5450 is a sample should i be worried or carry on using it like nothing happened

you mean intel cpu identification utility? what does cpuz say? how does the chip perform?​

 

[lexluthermiester]

you mean intel cpu identification utility? what does cpuz say? how does the chip perform?

He was talking about the vulnerability thing...

 

[er557]

There is no tool for that yet, the only tool present is the ME issue tool, and it could not have flagged his e5450, only skylake are affected.



On our topic:

TOP DOG then, TOP DOG now: (my e5 2686 v3 unlocked turbo is showing exact same performance as the e5 2699 v4)

 

[lexluthermiester]

the only tool present is the ME issue tool, and it could not have flagged his e5450

That's what he was talking about and why I told him he'd be fine....

TOP DOG then, TOP DOG now: (my e5 2686 v3 unlocked turbo is showing exact same performance as the e5 2699 v4)

I think you've missed the point.

 

[er557]

Of course in value per dollar, there's no question they're better

 

[Edwired]

I didnt mention about the vulnerability at all. I was asking about the cpu stating it a sample than a production model. And the cpuz states normal normally if a cpu detected an engineering sample it appears (es) in the name as i dont see any markings or anything out of the ordinary

 

[EarthDog]

They're not expensive. So you can either, A, take our word for it and accept that they are a good value right now, or B, Buy one and test for yourself. It's that simple. Otherwise, it seems like you're just trolling.

LOL, not trolling... I am simply asking to support that statement with numbers. Really simple bubba.

Thanks CAPS for the post with numbers!!!!! I see a 4 thread CPU hangs with a 12 thread CPU (a 300% thread increase) with only 33% faster clocks. I would imagine a used X5960 is around $40-50 on fleabay while the 7600K's used are around $160 at the same marketplace (also a 300% increase...hmmmmmmmmmmm). In the case of productivity and an application which can actually scale above four threads, I can see its uses indeed, but am I missing the cost to performance difference?

Another angle here is single threaded operations which a lot of software still is... to that end...Ive seen 2500Ks go for well under $50...and here is what single threaded performance gets you at the same/similar clocks...

W5960 - 9.93s
http://hwbot.org/submission/3019102_skulltrail_br_superpi___1m_xeon_x5670_9sec_391ms

2500K (4.5 GHz - couldn't find 4.55) - 8s
http://hwbot.org/submission/2185293_tictac_superpi___1m_core_i5_2500k_8sec_0ms

This behavior will scale to 4 cores and threads and will not hold GPUs/Games back as much as well. That also isn't talking much faster IPC chips (which would increase cost too...

So, in the end, I see that outlandish point Lexy made (and only CAPS took the time to attempt support...its not like I asked if the Sun still rises in the East for me to be shooed away...) was more true than I would have expected. I would still not buy it unless I was forced to due to lack of cash. We forget about PCIe3.0(a 1-2% diff yes, but these glass ceilings add up), lack of M.2, native USB 3.1 G2, more native SATA ports, etc. If that isn't a need or a care, then surely, grab a 8 year old CPU and go town.


Anyway, so many asides here including this one, so I'm just going to back out of the thread...

 

[er557]

I didnt mention about the vulnerability at all. I was asking about the cpu stating it a sample than a production model. And the cpuz states normal normally if a cpu detected an engineering sample it appears (es) in the name as i dont see any markings or anything out of the ordinary

Well it is an ES then, if it boots fine you won't have issues. Could be the printing on the chip was re-branded.

 

[Edwired]

Oh would that mean intel rebranded the cpu even i dont see any es marking on it at all. As it clocking at 4.2ghz at 1.296v which is impressive

 

[lexluthermiester]

I didnt mention about the vulnerability at all. I was asking about the cpu stating it a sample than a production model. And the cpuz states normal normally if a cpu detected an engineering sample it appears (es) in the name as i dont see any markings or anything out of the ordinary

I do beg your pardon. Misunderstood you then. But you should still be fine. As er557 stated, if you're booting and running an OS stable, you should be good to go.

Anyway, so many asides here including this one, so I'm just going to back out of the thread...

It wasn't an outlandish point. Only a comparison within the context of value. No need to back away.

 

[EarthDog]

I'm backing away due to the many different tangents and quite frankly, some of the snark when asking a simple question. So many toxins here.

 

[Edwired]

I was only asking about information based on intel dianostic stating failed on spbc test and i can understand earthdog it like an old saying one door slams and another one slams in your face

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm backing away due to the many different tangents and quite frankly, some of the snark when asking a simple question. So many toxins here.

That kinda depends on your perspective really. No one is telling you to leave. If I may be so bold, snark is not a bad thing. And welcome to this thing called the internet. Glad to meet you!

 

[FireFox]

I would imagine a used X5960 is around $40-50

Here in Germany if you're lucky you can get it for 139€/140€ otherwise their prices are from 140€ up to 300€+

 

[EarthDog]

That kinda depends on your perspective really. No one is telling you to leave. If I may be so bold, snark is not a bad thing. And welcome to this thing called the internet. Glad to meet you!

This is what I am saying...

You first refused to answer my question putting the honus on me to research or asked me to buy the processor, LOfookingL. Nobody asked me to leave, but why would I stay if there is this type of attitude and continue to discuss it? I would happily do it with CAPS. He doesn't treat people like shit for no reason.

Yes, this is the internet, because if someone told me to research it or buy it and blow me off to my face, we'd have real life issues at that point (an argument, not threatining anyone) instead of some random blow hard on the internet acting hard without consequence.

Here in Germany if you're lucky you can get it for 139€/140€ otherwise their prices are from 140€ up to 300€+

Yeah, its clearly not as cut and dry as I originally thought, however, there are enough exceptions to wonder about that 'sweetspot' statement.

And at this point, since its never going to end, I'll unsubscribe until its out of some people's short term memory.

 

[FireFox]

And at this point, since its never going to end, I'll unsubscribe until its out of some people's short term memory.

I dare you to do that

 

[lexluthermiester]

You first refused to answer my question putting the honus on me to research or asked me to buy the processor, LOfookingL. Nobody asked me to leave, but why would I stay if there is this type of attitude and continue to discuss it? I would happily do it with CAPS. He doesn't treat people like shit for no reason.

No reason? To be fair, your question and the remarks that preceded it, seemed condescending, a bit insulting and snarky, example;

I should sig that... you two are hilarious!!!

Then followed;

Oh, there is more to say, I disagree 100% with that assertion in fact... but hey, they are passionate and you can't take that away. I would have to see some numbers to believe it... and even then, unless I didn't have a choice ($), I wouldn't do it. Tough to move forward being stuck in the past!

Thus my remark. If you are going offer the smack-talk, you can't expect for it not to come back. And when it does, accept it as it is, light banter.

Yes, this is the internet, because if someone told me to research it or buy it and blow me off to my face, we'd have real life issues at that point (an argument, not threatening anyone) instead of some random blow hard on the internet acting hard without consequence.

But that's the thing about the internet, it's all text. There is no way to infer vocal inflection or intonation. So everything is exclusively about vocabulary selection, punctuation and arrangement of context. And from a different perspective, you seem just as much a "blow-hard". Soo.. Still gonna go?
EDIT;
You asked for numbers to support the perspective on the values I stated. Below is both of the CPU's I'm currently using.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2340&cmp[]=1312
Both of those CPU's are OC'd to the same 4.2ghz 24/7, so the differences would be comparable. If we add in natr0n's X5675..
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2340&cmp[]=1312&cmp[]=1309
Now take into account that the X5600 series of Xeons can be had for between $50 and $70 each on ebay or amazon, a dual mobo can be had for $100 or less, and you're talking about a setup that is less than $300. In a dual configuration OCing is dodgy at best, but with the pair of X5675's that natr0n is using, OCing wouldn't really be needed. For the price paid and the performance being delivered, this is a great value, regardless of the age of the platform.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Many people still drive their Mustang, Harley Davidson or Cadillac from the 60s and some other still have/use their Radio Cassette Player, i have a few old Xeon Machines but hey as you said you can't take that away, we are passionate/enthusiast, what i can do with my 8700K this Guys Xeons Owners can do the same.

Note: With the Money that you spend buying a 8700K you can build a Xeon Machine.

I am curious did you tried some head to head comparison?It will be interesting to see how much is the real gain in games(fps)and synthetics benchmarks when you use the same GPU.........

 

[lexluthermiester]

I am curious did you tried some head to head comparison? It will be interesting to see how much is the real gain in fps when you use same GPU.........

I've done that, kind of eye opening. It depends very greatly on the game. Some games are more GPU bound. Others are more CPU bound. In the case of the first, the older Xeons are more than enough and don't bottleneck the GPU. In the case of the later, the X5600's are still enough to keep framerates above 120fps if you are willing to turn down, or off, the AA. Granted, I don't have an 8700K, so that would be interesting to see a comparison on. But I have tested "other" brand CPU's[which were released 2017] with the same card and they had no problems keeping things fast & steady, so it isn't a far stretch to think an 8700k would not deliver similar great performance.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I've done that, kind of eye opening. It depends very greatly on the game. Some games are more GPU bound. Others are more CPU bound. In the case of the first, the older Xeons are more than enough and don't bottleneck the GPU. In the case of the later, the X5600's are still enough to keep framerates above 120fps if you are willing to turn down, or off, the AA. Granted, I don't have an 8700K, so that would be interesting to see a comparison on. But I have tested "other" brand CPU's[which were released 2017] with the same card and they had no problems keeping things fast & steady, so it isn't a far stretch to think an 8700k would not deliver similar great performance.

ohh sure man I am well aware what this XEONS are still capable of......still curious to see when the same GPU is used and also maybe some different CPU speed on both Xeon and the 8700k......

 

[lexluthermiester]

ohh sure man I am well aware what this XEONS are still capable of......still curious to see when the same GPU is used and also maybe some different CPU speed on both Xeon and the 8700k......

That would be interesting.

 

[er557]

Yet I doubt the 1366 xeons might be able to max out titan v or even 1080 sli, i.e. they may be ok now but certainly not future proof, one might need to upgrade sooner or later. And today's trend toward dx12 and multi core aware gaming, six cores isn't HEDT anymore. Certainly skylake-e and threadripper changed the scene

 

[natr0n]

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+X5675+@+3.07GHz&id=1309&cpuCount=2

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/desktop.html

I should get the board Friday. Very excited.