AMD Unlikely to Fix DX9 Games Bugged by Adrenalin Driver

[kruk]

You can stop fighting now folks, a fix is in the works :

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948224999726501890

Also this:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948227463188017152

 

[rtwjunkie]

Meanwhile the list of affected Games is getting longer and longer.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7ncr3y

Some good stuff there. Thanks for compiling it into one place!

 

[INSTG8R]

You can stop fighting now folks, a fix is in the works :

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948224999726501890

Also this:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/948227463188017152

Mountain from a molehill just as I said. They will fix it as expected. So much BS over this when the latest Adrenalines have more serious known issues(FreeSync, Adaptive Sync is borked, I know from my own experience with them and my FreeSync monitor)and our Vangaurd members confirming it.

 

[xkm1948]

Mountain from a molehill just as I said. They will fix it as expected. So much BS over this when the latest Adrenalines have more serious known issues(FreeSync, Adaptive Sync is borked, I know from my own experience with them and my FreeSync monitor)and our Vangaurd members confirming it.

Most likely the DX9 bug is way easier to fix

 

[INSTG8R]

Most likely the DX9 bug is way easier to fix

Hope not. I get black screens using Adaptive Sync in ED(minor as I run it at 144hz)FO4 is completely borked regardless and locks at 45fps(previously needed to disable FreeSync to get rid of the lock) I have a ton of games but those are 2 I’m playing at the moment and both have issues.
Edit: also FO4 runs perfectly at 1080 but at my native 1440 those issues are there.

 

[yogurt_21]

it's funny I didn't realize how old some of these were. You read "10 year old" title and somehow you think Starcraft or Neverwinter nights or vampires the maquerade (redemption not bloodlines) but those are all closer to 20 years old...

now I feel old.

Will watch how this goes. I play quite a few of those 10 and 20 year old games still and will be in the market for a gpu this summer. (currently using on an old 760 which works but is slow. )

 

[eidairaman1]

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...game-incompatibility-issues-after-all.240159/

This thread needs to be closed as it is unnecessary to continue to libel the company.

People jump the gun here all the time and it makes me sick, @Kursah @infrared, @Norton please request this thread be closed as it is not needed.

 

[Freez]

That thread give me a feel being old. Thanks, i guess.

 

[cdawall]

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...game-incompatibility-issues-after-all.240159/

This thread needs to be closed as it is unnecessary to continue to libel the company.

People jump the gun here all the time and it makes me sick, @Kursah @infrared, @Norton please request this thread be closed as it is not needed.

Why does it need to be closed. Amd said we aren't going to fix this, got GOBS of bad PR and went oh shit maybe we will. This should stay open for the posterity of the fact of what DID happen.

 

[eidairaman1]

Why does it need to be closed. Amd said we aren't going to fix this, got GOBS of bad PR and went oh shit maybe we will. This should stay open for the posterity of the fact of what DID happen.

Did you even read that thread!?

 

[cdawall]

Did you even read that thread!?

Yes it started with amd going yes we said we wouldn't fix it, then moved onto we saw people didn't like this and ended with we are going to fix it.

This thread should exist because it shows yet again amd back peddling on their own stupid product engine being garbage. This is an issue they have had for years.

On the note of backpeddling have you seen that the vega FE cards are now for "blockchain entrepreneurs" you know the same vega cards amd said were not for miners?

AMD is PR is back to being an absolute joke.

 

[fullinfusion]

We need a pole in this thread.
It should say whoever Post in this thread are you Nvidia AMD?..

I bet you 98% of the people posting in this form are Nvidia users .. why is it when the Green Team fucks up everybody is all hush-hush except for the 970 and there false Advertisement on vram Fiasco. And man was there a lot of crying going on..

And that's okay you won't hurt my feelings by calling me in AMD fanboy.. I wear my colors with pride

But you know what my card does the job just as good as the other side.

And here's a little bit and Bob for some of you.. get away from that computer monitor and go outside and get some fresh air and see actually how beautiful the world is instead of pissing and moaning about a device but you can't take with you when you die

Cya

 

[rtwjunkie]

And some of us are users of both.

 

[Fluffmeister]

This should never have happened, I blame their Vanguard Beta Testers.

 

[cdawall]

We need a pole in this thread.
It should say whoever Post in this thread are you Nvidia AMD?..

I bet you 98% of the people posting in this form are Nvidia users .. why is it when the Green Team fucks up everybody is all hush-hush except for the 970 and there false Advertisement on vram Fiasco. And man was there a lot of crying going on..

And that's okay you won't hurt my feelings by calling me in AMD fanboy.. I wear my colors with pride

But you know what my card does the job just as good as the other side.

And here's a little bit and Bob for some of you.. get away from that computer monitor and go outside and get some fresh air and see actually how beautiful the world is instead of pissing and moaning about a device but you can't take with you when you die

Cya

It is cold outside right now. So I am sitting in front of my vega FE card using it for what it does best. Massively underlcocked and running in my htpc. Cool, quiet and plenty fast at 1080P

 

[Prince Valiant]

Yes it started with amd going yes we said we wouldn't fix it, then moved onto we saw people didn't like this and ended with we are going to fix it.

This thread should exist because it shows yet again amd back peddling on their own stupid product engine being garbage. This is an issue they have had for years.

On the note of backpeddling have you seen that the vega FE cards are now for "blockchain entrepreneurs" you know the same vega cards amd said were not for miners?

AMD is PR is back to being an absolute joke.

A single forum rep. hardly equals company policy. They made a vague statement not committing one way or another.

Running a story like this without a fact check was shameful.

 

[cdawall]

A single forum rep. hardly equals company policy. They made a vague statement not committing one way or another.

Running a story like this without a fact check was shameful.

What fact check? AMD said that they said it in the PR blast for the new one. Company policy or not lack of training is an obvious problem and I don't care what company you work for, what you say represents them. Especially as a forum rep for that company. Those individuals should be above reproach. This one was not and it represents AMD atrociously.

Also this is not vague, this is not one way or another. "unlikely to devote any valuable engineering resources to this issue."

 

[fullinfusion]

This should never have happened, I blame their Vanguard Beta Testers.

Bahahahahah, good one fluffy..
Ignore idiotic comments re-applied [✓] yup bye bye

 

[R0H1T]

This should never have happened, I blame their Vanguard Beta Testers.

I blame Raja, should've never left the light

 

[Prince Valiant]

What fact check? AMD said that they said it in the PR blast for the new one. Company policy or not lack of training is an obvious problem and I don't care what company you work for, what you say represents them. Especially as a forum rep for that company. Those individuals should be above reproach. This one was not and it represents AMD atrociously.

Also this is not vague, this is not one way or another. "unlikely to devote any valuable engineering resources to this issue."

Where do they say this in a PR? It's certainly not in the Adrenalin PR. I agree but that doesn't mean that a single forum post should be taken out of context without clarification. That's exactly why it should have been clarified.

Unlikely doesn't mean yes or no.

The forum rep. needs a good scolding and tech sites got carried away again; other than that there's nothing to see here.

 

[romulus2k17]

Hi, Romulus2K4 here. As I asked the moderator Khusra or what's his name to delete my posts, and then ban me. The bloke did half the job. He only banned me, and didn't delete any of my posts. Which lead me to receiving notifications and emails from this thread whenever someone "liked or quoted my posts" all I could see is this when I clicked on my notifications:

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So that's fine and all. So what if I tried logging out?

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More of the same.

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Tell your webmaster to give a user the chance to log out of your precious site once he's banned, and stop emailing him about notifications once he's banned. Now that I am done with that, the only reason I did decide to sign up here is to shed some light on the truth of a very important matter.

AMD Reps have this terrible habit of giving out stupid responses as I have said in a post, previously. You might be thinking I am saying this without any proof to back this up. So let's have a look at a more recent response from ray_m.

Guru3D's very own z8373767 decided to inquire at AMD's official community whether it was possible for the R9 Fury line up of cards to receive the HBCC feature. Note, you can read this long ass wall of text of a post without clicking any spoilers, but the images within the spoilers are used as a safeguard in this particular case as I have had the nasty experience of getting booted out of forums due to people (representatives of popular manufacturers.. cough..) simply editing their previous statements, and leaving one such as me with no proof to back my claims up. Here is the reply he received:

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For those of you who are too lazy to click spoilers, I'll quote him here:

No, since there have been several products launched since the R9 Fury series was released, they will not be updated.

Source: Here.​

Is it just me or the wording used by ray_m sounds kind of like the R9 Fury could "potentially" have the HBCC feature, but it won't be added just because it's old? Now some of you might say that "HBCC" is a VEGA hardware thing. I am sure, it probably is. But instead of saying so, why did he have to say it like that? It isn't too far off from the response he gave regarding the DX9 game issues, and a point to be made, the thread got locked in a similar fashion.

Some of the more devoted AMD fans in this section of the forum might think I am getting ahead of myself with this. Then let's take a trip down memory lane.

On the 5th December, 2015, AMD released their first major yearly driver overhaul, known as the AMD Catalyst Omega. It came with a number of bug fixes and some added features, one of them was VSR aka Virtual Super Resolution. I'll quote exactly what AMD says at their Site in Catalyst Omega's release notes:

Virtual Super Resolution (VSR):

Render games at higher resolution and display them at lower resolution. Up to 4k quality gaming on 1080p HD displays

• Smoother textures and edges
• Game and Engine agnostic solution
• Simulates Super Sampling Anti-Aliasing (SSAA) for games that don't support it
• Enabled through AMD Catalyst™ Control Center
• Select higher resolution in-game settings
• Available on AMD Radeon™ R9 290 series, and AMD Radeon R9 285 GPUs

The first thing that sticks out like a sore thumb is the fact that the R9 290/R9 290X cards do not have 4K VSR support, whereas the much inferior R9 285 (and theoretically the R7 260X) has it. AMD says that it's due to some hardware limitations. And as you may have noticed, that the HD 7000 cards are completely absent at the time.

Some of the more devoted AMD fans at the time argued that the HD 7000 series of cards simply don't possess the horsepower to drive past 1080p resolution, which isn't wrong for DX11 games, but then the question that comes to one's mind: why was the R9 285 with 2GB VRAM, given the ability to VSR up to 4K? The view on it still hasn't changed to this date though, I am allowing myself to quote someone from this very thread to prove exactly what I mean:

VSR is a very different thing though because it was more of a matter of "how well will the GPU drive it," not a "can the GPU even do it." Changes to how video data gets stored tends to require hardware changes due to the latency-sensitive nature of DRAM whereas with VSR, it was more of a "how well will it perform and do we want to expose a setting if it's likely going to run like crap every time." It's kind of like async compute on GCN 1.0. Sure, you can run it but, if it's not going to help and sometimes could cause performance regressions when it is used, why bother enabling it?

...but, if you're still convinced, maybe you should give AMD a call and offer them your expertise to "fix their drivers," since you seem to know how this all works. I'm sure they could use another C developer to work on their drivers.

Now let's fast forward to March 21,2015, after a blackout of three months from Catalyst Omega, finally the " AMD Catalyst 15.3 Beta Driver for Windows OS" was released. Here is a what an AMD rep had to say about VSR support on HD 7000 series of cards in the discussion thread of the aforementioned drivers:

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Again, for those of you who are not really wanting to click Spoilers, or find the cropped image blurry, unreadable..

We're exploring additional methods to bring VSR to the R9 270/280, however we won't be bringing VSR to the 7xxx series.

To which a user from the very same forum responded:

What the ****? Im done with AMD.. 280x is just renamed 7970GHz so why would 7970GHz does not get VSR? Nvidia enabled supersampling on all their DX11 cards..

Clearly @Michalko is overreacting, correct? He has no notion of the technical limitations that are involved.

As it was explained later:

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Again, for those of you who are not really wanting to click Spoilers, or find the cropped image blurry, unreadable.. here's the quote:

There are board and bios level differences between the cards. The scaler on the 7970 is not capable.

Okay.. seems legit. And but there's more where that came from:

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Again, for those of you who are not really wanting to click Spoilers, or find the cropped image blurry, unreadable.. here's the quote:

As i said above guys, we're working on exploring our options to bring VSR to the R9 270/280, this includes the 'X' versions.

So at this point, it is pretty evident from what that:

• VSR support won't be coming to the HD 7000 series
• The R9 270/270X/280/280X cards will have VSR support through "additional methods"
• The R9 270/270X/280/280X cards have board and BIOS level differences compared to their HD 7000 counterparts
  
• The HD 7970 (and supposedly the HD 7950, HD 7870, and HD 7700) are incapable of VSR as the scaler it has isn't capable.

That was all fine and dandy, till the 24th of March, 2015, exactly 3 days after the release of Catalyst 15.3, this happened:

This is the Windows 10 driver distributed via Windows Update, now modified to work with Win 8.1.

VSR and FPS limiter are enabled (the card must support it) CCC is from 15.3 Beta to avoid issues.
Based on reports in this thread looks like VSR is working for HD7000, R7, R9 280 and possibly more so try for yourself and report back.
On R9 290 Series the resolution is unlocked up to 4K. (3840x2160)

Features screenshots:

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4K VSR With R9 290

FPS Limiter

A modified driver allowed 4K VSR on R9 290 cards, and brought VSR and other features to HD 7000 cards, which seemingly was not possible, and initially declared won't be supported by an AMD rep.

A couple of months later, on the 8th of July, with the release of AMD Catalyst 15.7, AMD brought VSR support to it's HD 7000 series and the rest of the R7/R9 200 lineup, with still the (artificial?!) limitation in place to this date on 4K resolution for R9 290/290X cards and the others.

If it wasn't for that modded driver that allowed VSR on HD 7000 series of cards, there is a good chance that these cards, despite being perfectly capable, wouldn't have gotten VSR due to AMD's incompetence. As the modded driver proved, these magical scalers aren't needed for cards to do VSR, and with the same tweaks, even older cards like the HD 5000 and the HD 6000 could do it too, and to this date, the R9 290/290X cards aren't allowed to VSR up to 4K. The same is applicable to AMD's R9 390/R9 390X. I wonder why AMD decided to rebadge the Hawaii chips with slightly better yields with 8GB of VRAM buffer if they had no plans to give it 4K VSR capabilities? GeDoSaTo is a 3rd party app that has to inject code into an executable, and it always doesn't work as intended. I can't get it to work with Assassin's Creed II despite GeDoSaTo claiming it works for him. Had AMD provided 4K VSR support, I wouldn't be needing to plug a nvidia card into my system just to enjoy an old classic at unprecedented visuals, for example. Carelessness is how AMD loses consumers, and the attitude from their "devoted" fan base doesn't help consumers either.

Now I'll allow myself to quote myself in a response to Aquinus:

And I say you don't know jack regarding what you're talking about, and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop. HBCC and Delta Color compression are miles apart as far as features go.

You have that distinct smell of a Fanboy, which I am very familiar with.

GCN 1.2, 1.3 and 1.4

Apparently this forum would ask user's for their permission whether they want to opt in on CPU mining while browsing, review performance of games with explicit language and nudity like The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt, but will consider calling an overly devoted fan to the cause of it's cherished manufacturer a fanboy as swearing. Okay.

And just to point out, the moderator bloke found this post appropriate:

and @Romulus2K4
shadup god everytime you post I want to cut my self

Favoritism at it's best.

Back to the matter at hand.

It is safe to assume, that ray_m's response could've been AMD's official stance on the matter, had the user who created the topic didn't bring it to light on Reddit. I knew that the bugs are going to get fixed, and I knew that the response from ray_m was simply wrong, but it only got AMD's attention faster after the Tech Press jumped in on reporting the issue. Even during this, there were tons of consumers who doesn't care about anything but their own selfish needs started to deem DX9 game support as irrelevant, going as far as to blame the game developers for it and not AMD.. for an issue that only reared it's head only after the Adrenalin Drivers were released, not before that. There are almost three times the number of games that're running on DX9 out there compared to DX11, and this whole ordeal only shows how Dysfunctional AMD's official community is, as far as communicating with different segments of it's own team goes. The green team in recent times, only got caught with it's pants down with the GTX 970 that shipped with 3.5 GB+0.5 GB of VRAM configuration, which the consumers weren't aware of at launch. They did offer people refunds, and the amount of people who refunded their cards were too far, and too few. AMD cashed in on the situation with a promotion called "4GB means 4GB" but had forgotten the wide number of consumers who returned their R9 290/290X cards due to the sleep bug that AMD couldn't get their head around in the first 7 odd months after these cards were released, and ended up returning it.

I can go on about how VEGA Frontier Edition, being dubbed as the Scientific card initially is now being touted as the Blockchain Pioneer, bait and switch pricing of VEGA cards, the R9 Fury X being referred as the overclocker's dream(!?) as far as PR BS'ing goes. Not to mention the $30 Million Settlement with investors. Though the RX 560 thing isn't entirely AMD's fault.

One last quote to round it all off:

"Tha tan taraflop berriar to ennthusiasht gaeming has finally been broken.. we karrushed the competition" (I swear that is how he pronounced it.)

Subtitle: (The 10 Teraflop barrier to enthusiast gaming has finally been broken.. we crushed the competition..)
-Raja Koduri

 

[LocoDiceGR]

Problem Fixed.

 

[Ricky Silverman]

Runescape required me to update my graphics driver for my RX470. My 3rd screen went blue. Can't get it to work again. RIIIPPP! (sound of me tearing the RX POS out of my motherboard.)
I am now using the onboard 1G graphics card. Spent $300 on a 4G card just to have a driver update make it garbage. So tired of Windows 10 and AMD making me buy new equipment. Would go to Mac, but the cost, OH the COST. :-(

 

[FordGT90Concept]

The problem should be fixed now across all GCN graphics cards (18.1.1 driver).

"3rd screen went blue..." does that screen work properly with the onboard graphics?

 

[Ricky Silverman]

It worked great for over 1 year with the RX470. The onboard card will only allow me 2 monitors, thus the need for a card.